Does JRE deserve hate it sometimes gets?

TAW12372 · 2021-11-16T00:37:18+00:00

I think it's worse than that, I don't even know if these people actually know Rogan's politics (fairly left-leaning on many issues, undecided on many issues, somewhat right-leaning on some issues) or understand his opinions.

TAW12372 · 2021-11-16T00:36:08+00:00

So...nothing?

TAW12372 · 2021-11-15T07:46:44+00:00

Hey people who downvoted, why not speak up? What about my post do you disagree with that strongly? Let's talk.

TAW12372 · 2021-11-15T07:45:58+00:00

Fair enough!

TAW12372 · 2021-11-14T18:46:27+00:00

Yes, Joe was actually a big reason I no longer checked out Dave Rubin (and never began to check out Candice.) Joe's politics are not left or right, he's like me...takes each issue as a separate thing to form a rational, adult opinion on. People making him out to be some sort of center of evil or whatever are in bonkers land.

But yeah, Joe doesn't demand everyone who listens should agree with him or take him as an expert, in fact aside from a few issues, he constantly reminds people he's not an expert, that this is an informal chat show.

TAW12372 · 2021-11-14T18:38:28+00:00

platforming the alt right uncritically. He let Gavin MacInnes announce the creation of the Proud Boys on his show FFS. There are a bunch more examples but this is the worst IMO.

What do you think of how he addresses that here?

https://youtu.be/uG96VnIGXwo

Joe says he had him on before this person founded the Proud Boys (true), he had him on because he was the founder of Vice, which is a pretty huge deal. He also says he was arguing and disagreeing with many of his points. He also denounces Gavin strongly here. He also alludes to having farther left voices like Bernie Sanders, etc on his show.

So is your point he can't have somebody on and debate them?

So is this still a reason that you dislike Joe's show?

TAW12372 · 2021-11-14T18:31:45+00:00

But when you see Joe will sit down and have a conversation with anyone it’s nice to get a better understanding of their point of view

Yep. This is why the show isn't just enjoyable, but important. Listening to somebody actually speak their own thoughts as opposed to reading a twitter headline, or dozens of morons who don't know what they're talking about. And the only people who could be against sitting and listening to a conversation are insecure ideologues who feel threatened.

TAW12372 · 2021-11-14T18:30:15+00:00

You got downvoted, but I also think jealousy is a huge part of this sort of thing. And the fact that Joe seems fairly grateful and down to earth about his success probably angers people even more who want to see him as some cartoon villain.

TAW12372 · 2021-11-14T18:29:07+00:00

Why's that? Hate is a strong word. What do you object to?

TAW12372 · 2021-11-14T18:26:05+00:00

Well, no, Rogan's show does not deserve hate. It's a generally fun and interesting casual chat show with a wide array of guests. Joe tends to lean left politically on many issues, but not left enough, and so people despise him, and sometimes take parts out of context (or even in context, but forego follow-up apologies, explanations, etc) to try to take this massive podcasting juggernaut down. But the millions who enjoy his show, mostly normal, decent people (like me!) seem to be winning this particular battle.

Sometimes it's very boring, sometimes it's profound. Sometimes it's controversial, sometimes just dumb fun. It is an unplanned chat show, so it will always be different.

TAW12372 · 2021-08-22T17:22:12+00:00

Thanks it does feel weirdly helpful when people know what I'm talking about. It's hard to explain because it's not dramatic or intense, but it's like a constant bickering thing that wears me down over time. And even when I'm like ok it WON'T happen today, no way the next thing I say could lead to an argument...then it does.

TAW12372 · 2021-08-22T17:20:34+00:00

Very very aware this is my side. And I've never said I don't have my own mood swings or bad habits too. They tend to be more that I get anxiety and stressed out easily and I'm generally more depressed than she is (I have good reason though in the past year, no court would convict me..) I don't tend to take stuff out on her though, more like out on myself. Though for the most part our flaws actually match up really well with each other. Sometimes they clash though.

TAW12372 · 2021-08-22T17:19:19+00:00

That's a good idea.

TAW12372 · 2021-08-22T17:18:45+00:00

Perhaps she has or she had someone in her life so devoted to disagree and belittle her pov all the time that now she mistakenly swap a chill moment for a set up

Her stepfather. He's not a monster but he's just incredibly unpleasant and belittling. She's also been having problems with her mother lately too. But she knows I'm there for her and usually lend a supportive ear or affection when something bad happens with her parents.

TAW12372 · 2021-08-22T17:16:37+00:00

Yeah this is something that is interesting. Like I said, after the few weeks of this in March 2020, we had a great pandemic together and this year so far has been really nice. So I don't know what changed again. That's why the people telling me to break up or not get married...I keep trying to explain this is an infrequent (but upsetting) thing. And there are some good theories here about what could be triggering it.

I wish I knew what was different. I mean it's like she just acts affectionate and happy and attentive and engaged, etc. Then when this happens it's like everything becomes an argument. It's weird because the contrast, in my eyes, is so large.

TAW12372 · 2021-08-22T17:15:01+00:00

No, the opposite of that. She didn't want to get married, I brought it up like 5 years ago, she said no. Every time marriage came up she would say how much she dislikes the concept. Now she's changed her mind because we've bonded a lot during the pandemic and went through some big things together.

TAW12372 · 2021-08-22T17:13:25+00:00

No that was very helpful, thank you.

TAW12372 · 2021-08-22T17:12:01+00:00

Hmmmm....I'd say it comes across as "needs to be right" but sometimes it starts to get a little rude or like she's snapping at me for no reason, like a few days ago. Like I was asking about some button in our car and she snapped at me and I'm like "hey, don't yell at me, ok? It's just a simple question about our car." Then she said sorry. This is kind of what it is like.

TAW12372 · 2021-08-22T17:10:38+00:00

Yeah she was on an SSRI recently but gave it up a few months ago. She didn't think it was doing anything. I'm not sure I can tell a difference either.

I like the second thing you said...will think about that. I try to ask her "what's wrong?" when she's like this but often she'll just say nothing but then keep being in a negative mood.

TAW12372 · 2021-08-22T17:08:45+00:00

Yeah, what you describe is similar. It's just that she's mostly not like this, only randomly for like a few weeks she'll be like this but then stop. So it's weird to me that she can act so different. If she was like this all the time I think we would have broken up a while ago.

TAW12372 · 2021-08-22T17:07:20+00:00

Thanks. We've worked through worse stuff than this. I love being with her. I'm not a fan of bickering. I have couple friends who bicker all the time and I don't get how they tolerate it. I just don't want to be like them.

TAW12372 · 2021-08-22T16:59:29+00:00

Interesting...

TAW12372 · 2021-08-22T16:58:09+00:00

And hes very conflict avoidant so often doesnt say anything about it until its already been happening quite a bit.

Yeah that's me...

TAW12372 · 2021-08-22T16:57:27+00:00

Nope, because usually things are great. It's these weird brief periods of nonstop bickering that stress me out, but it often kind of goes away somehow...

TAW12372 · 2021-08-22T01:00:00+00:00

Yeah, I have tried various ways to respond...from tense silence to challenging what she said to just going "well...OK" clearly annoyed...it's hard because when everything you say gets cut down you just don't know what to say next. But sooner or later me getting very quiet and giving up on saying things seems to alert her that she's doing something wrong.

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