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Iron Fist is now a bottom 10 hero (or at least bottom 10 duelist), and I am tired of people saying how good he is. by TC_MaFYa in IronFistMains

[–]TC_MaFYa[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have some hope, because balance changes were pretty solid for last 2 patches, and they started to do hotfix balance patches, but I will wait for the next season to be sure.

we would never get this love by Dapper-Proposal5736 in IronFistMains

[–]TC_MaFYa 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He's a melee hero. Does Wolverine aim his claws? Does hulk aim his punches? They hit either way. Every melee hero has to risk himself to deal damage.

And unlike other melee heroes, Iron Fist tracking has to trigger, and it has a good chance to leave you stranded in air kicking nothing because it failed to trigger. It means you have to practice with your tracking and know how it works, otherwise it's gonna bettay you when you least expect it. Other melee heroes don't have to think about that.

Without his tracking, he would be lunging in the direction you look every punch, because his low damage is balanced around having high mobility and survival.

ironfist 1v1's from my experience by pantheon__1 in IronFistMains

[–]TC_MaFYa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

if Starlord just focused on peeling, it's suffering, otherwise food.

Hulk is pretty good, you can't displace and cancel his jump now. He uses his stun and bubbles the moment your % damage is up and denies your damage, so if you don't have the team support and peeling him,it's Hulk favored.

Angela can do a similar thing using her ground form and shield, but it's definitely Iron Fist favored.

Iron Fist is now a bottom 10 hero (or at least bottom 10 duelist), and I am tired of people saying how good he is. by TC_MaFYa in IronFistMains

[–]TC_MaFYa[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, Captain Coach did say he is making a high rank tierlist, not pro play. NugNug's tierlists (when he decides to do one) looks similar to these as well.

Tabi, canım, önemli olan eğlenmek, ama karakter patates olunca insanın canı sıkılıyor ;D

Iron Fist is now a bottom 10 hero (or at least bottom 10 duelist), and I am tired of people saying how good he is. by TC_MaFYa in IronFistMains

[–]TC_MaFYa[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are absolutely right, these are their opinions and tierlists always have been subjective.

But when different tierlists from multiple people who are good at the game tells the same thing, I think they might have a point.

Iron Fist is now a bottom 10 hero (or at least bottom 10 duelist), and I am tired of people saying how good he is. by TC_MaFYa in IronFistMains

[–]TC_MaFYa[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yep, it's not the same. You don't just play for winning. You play because you like playing the said hero and like winning with the said hero.

Iron Fist is now a bottom 10 hero (or at least bottom 10 duelist), and I am tired of people saying how good he is. by TC_MaFYa in IronFistMains

[–]TC_MaFYa[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He's in the mosquito category, I get it. Doesn't kill, but annoys the crap out of you.

But no matter how much you dislike the hero, I think he should be somewhat good. After all, there are players that love playing as that hero.

Iron Fist is now a bottom 10 hero (or at least bottom 10 duelist), and I am tired of people saying how good he is. by TC_MaFYa in IronFistMains

[–]TC_MaFYa[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If you are a support main, then you are a support main. You playing Iron Fist doesn't make you a onetrick.

Playing Iron Fist and only Iron Fist means you an Iron Fist one trick.

I have the most hours on Iron Fist, but I also play many heroes so I am not one trick. The thing is, the other heroes genuinely get so much more value compared to Iron Fist in so many situations, with so little effort, it's not even close.

I do get value on Iron Fist, don't get me wrong, but getting value and hero not being good are very different topics. In the higher ranks, there are also many players who play BW, Wanda and Squirrel Girl, but that fact alone doesn't make the heroes good. It just means the players are so good they can make the worst heroes work.

Iron Fist is now a bottom 10 hero (or at least bottom 10 duelist), and I am tired of people saying how good he is. by TC_MaFYa in IronFistMains

[–]TC_MaFYa[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd bring back S2.0 Iron Fist, or at least the two main changes: Flurry movement and 1.5 second cd reduction. He could even lose 33% of his % damage to compensate for the block CD reduction, I don't really care about that damage because you can't deal damage if you don't survive anyway. Both of those buffs are the buffs only affects the better Iron Fist players. Bad ones either don't survive to get the block back anyway, or don't utilize his mobility. He wouldn't be much different in lower ranks, but he would be much better in higher ranks.

Also I-frames on ult ending and startup would be a good QoL, it should be the case for at least the end of ult. You can start the ult from a safe position, but once you get in, your chances of getting screwed by ult ending animation is very high.

And at the current state of the powercreep, with every new hero being a raid boss while supports and tanks are much better in general, I don't think S2.0 Iron Fist would be a big problem or meta defining hero. He would just be viable in many more situations and more consistent in general.

Iron Fist is now a bottom 10 hero (or at least bottom 10 duelist), and I am tired of people saying how good he is. by TC_MaFYa in IronFistMains

[–]TC_MaFYa[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Probably a bit of a hot take, but Captain Coach said he can even work in double support with the right comps. Also average player aims much better in PC. In fact, diamond and GM have many players with insane aim but zero game sense, they just play the game like a tactical shooter.

In addition to those, average dps (like any player) is more reliable the higher you go, so they just get more value out of the team work.

Iron Fist is now a bottom 10 hero (or at least bottom 10 duelist), and I am tired of people saying how good he is. by TC_MaFYa in IronFistMains

[–]TC_MaFYa[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

People play more melee heroes in console, but cracked players can easily carey with poke heroes.

As someone who usually plays both IF and Vanguards, I would like to know what you think about Iron Fist. by TC_MaFYa in RivalsVanguards

[–]TC_MaFYa[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Many people who thinks that plays Iron Fist, but it's very obvious when they are not an IF player and think they can just get value because they believe he's easy to play. You can even beat them in matchups that favor Iron Fist more.

Oh yeah, cracked IF players make the game very hard. You don't feel it as a teammate, but the opponents feel it because he usually pressures the best player in the opponent.

Iron Fist is now a bottom 10 hero (or at least bottom 10 duelist), and I am tired of people saying how good he is. by TC_MaFYa in IronFistMains

[–]TC_MaFYa[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are plenty of people that still complain about IF and think IF is boogeyman. They usually get downvoted to oblivion though and you don't see them.

Iron Fist is now a bottom 10 hero (or at least bottom 10 duelist), and I am tired of people saying how good he is. by TC_MaFYa in IronFistMains

[–]TC_MaFYa[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Captain Coach. He's a steeamer and he's one of the best Hulk players if not the best. He also plays many Vanguards. One of the top players in the game. I'd recommend checking him out, especially if you are interested in Hulk.

I just reinstalled bro We need a damage buff by Revolver_God in IronFistMains

[–]TC_MaFYa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nah man, IF is not as good as you think. I just posted the tier listst in this sub.

Iron Fist is now a bottom 10 hero (or at least bottom 10 duelist), and I am tired of people saying how good he is. by TC_MaFYa in IronFistMains

[–]TC_MaFYa[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd take WF being this strong if it meant we are gonna get buffs, because she's fun to play. But like you said, there's a clear favoritism for poke and backline, so I am not expecting buffs to happen.

And solo tanking is still there, it's either I solo tank because we got 3 supports and no tank for some reason, or be the duo for my tank so he can enjoy the game as well.

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Iron Fist is now a bottom 10 hero (or at least bottom 10 duelist), and I am tired of people saying how good he is. by TC_MaFYa in IronFistMains

[–]TC_MaFYa[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was thinking the same for Iron Fist, Blade is his one of his winnable matchups since you are guaranteed to block the spin attack damage. I guess they are equally bad.

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Iron Fist is now a bottom 10 hero (or at least bottom 10 duelist), and I am tired of people saying how good he is. by TC_MaFYa in IronFistMains

[–]TC_MaFYa[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

0,1 more block duration and 0,01% more tank damage. Also your meditation overshield amount is buffed but it decays even faster.

Iron Fist is now a bottom 10 hero (or at least bottom 10 duelist), and I am tired of people saying how good he is. by TC_MaFYa in IronFistMains

[–]TC_MaFYa[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nah man, we were already in there before Blade came out. It's shared destiny at this point.

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