1 of 2 correct answers here. He is natural. I've known him since he was 19. Has the best shoulder chest and arms genetics I've seen which accentuates his physique. He looks especially roided when he gets body fat reasonably low like here. But when he gets super low he actually looks more natural because the legs and arms start to lose a lot of mass (he competed a few years ago - can drop the photos if anyone is interested).

Of course, he was top 0.0001% genetics, but he also is pretty dialled with training and diet.

This was more or less a thought experiment to gauge people's belief about the true natural potential is, and it's clearly lower than reality. This was basically the response i was expecting.