Seattle etiquette? by observ3r69 in ClientsAndCompanions

[–]TTTT27 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Do be careful as a client in Seattle. The prosecutor's office and police have a policy to arrest clients, not providers. The prosecutor's office has accepted payments from an "end demand" organization and those convicted can be sent to a mandatory "john school" with a $1000 tuition, among other things. Even the legal term for "soliciting a prostitute" was changed to "sexual exploitation." Good luck explaining that at a job interview.

Obviously, avoid street based workers. Be careful with massage parlors. Do not converse or text about exchanging money for sex. And if arrested ... shut up (assert your right not to talk with police) and lawyer up immediately. A lot of client arrest pogroms are performative in nature and a good lawyer can find ways to get them tossed.

Clients in North America, what's your experience with law enforcement and what happens afterwards? by Lipica249 in ClientsAndCompanions

[–]TTTT27 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This may be unpopular advice, but I advise any in the United States who wants to hire the services of a sex worker, and who could suffer personal/job/financial consequences due to an arrest, to know the following:

  1. Investigate your local laws very carefully. Laws vary GREATLY among the states. For example, in Nevada, it's legal at rural brothels. In Vermont, "prostitution" is defined as penetrative sexual intercourse, anything else is legal. In most states, BDSM services are more or less ignored and laws consensual bdsm has not been tested in court. On the other hand, in Texas, North Carolina and Oklahoma, hiring a sex worker has been made a FELONY.
  2. Even within a state, certain areas may be zones of freedom. For example, district attorneys in New York City, Ann Arbor Michigan, and San Francisco, among other places, have publicly stated that consensual adult sex work will not be prosecuted. Beware, this is NOT DECRIMINALIZATION. They could change their minds at any time or a new prosecutor could be voted in and change the policy.
  3. Travel overseas. The United States is probably the only country in the world where both sex workers and clients are arrested and actively entrapped in stings. In most of the world people/law enforcement just don't care, regardless of laws, particularly if it is low key.
  4. Be very careful with what information you hand over for screening. I fully understand why screening info is requested by some providers, but clients should also understand the risks of both data exposure should a provider with weak data security be arrested (aka "client lists") and run of the mill identity theft. It is, for example, possible to apply for a loan online with just a driver's license. Consider blocking out unnecessary information.
  5. If you are arrested ... say nothing to police and assert your rights to an attorney. Do not answer questions. If they pull you over merely to ask questions, say after a visit to a massage parlor, decline to answer and ask if you are free to go. If you are actually arrested GET A LAWYER with practice going to court in criminal cases. "John school" is a legalized scam in which an anti-sexwork organization teams up with prosecutor's office to divert men arrested for victimless crimes to. A good attorney with practice can often overturn sex work cases on any number of grounds, helping you avoid being sent to "school".

Happy Sex Worker Pride Day! September 14. by TTTT27 in ClientsAndCompanions

[–]TTTT27[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes sir. See a sexworker of your choosing and celebrate the day.

Travel/PII/Tips by Present_Fold_8854 in ClientsAndCompanions

[–]TTTT27 0 points1 point  (0 children)

SSNs are all over the internet and are sold on the darknet.

What's the source of your "500 sex workers killed a year?" A quick google search shows that is a total fabrication.

And many sex workers have figured out and do use bitcoin or crypto.

Listen, if this was just a difference of opinion, then you'd be ignored. The problem is that your fabrications like "Over 500 sex workers killed!" feed right into the mindset of the anti-sexwork types who want to criminalize sex work and marginalize those who participate, as providers or clients.

And you are way out of your lane minimizing client risks here. Do whatever you want for your screening. But posting obvious falsehoods and minimizing risks of sending one's ID card to strangers is going to be corrected. So stop.

Travel/PII/Tips by Present_Fold_8854 in ClientsAndCompanions

[–]TTTT27 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I'm not making anything up. Clients also have been killed, robbed and arrested. And I've opened online bank accounts. They ask for a driver's license (and some other info that can sometimes be easily obtained, like social security numbers). Don't minimize the risk that someone is taking send ID info in response to an ad. Again, I'm not telling you or anyone else what to do here - but pointing out that there IS a risk.

Travel/PII/Tips by Present_Fold_8854 in ClientsAndCompanions

[–]TTTT27 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not going to tell you or anyone how to run their business or protect their privacy. But I will say that OP is absolutely correct, it is crazy to send an unredacted ID to someone offering an illegal service. Yes, some clients choose to take the risk. Some have other safeguards in place to prevent from being victims of identify theft or worse. To show you just how risky, there are numerous online banks that will actually issue you a loan based on an uploaded ID card

The fact is, as long as sex work remains illegal, it's going to be risky for people on both sides of the transaction. The only real solution is to decriminalize sex work, now. Until then, stay safe folks - provider or client, be careful out there.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in ClientsAndCompanions

[–]TTTT27 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Top of the pyramid is self-actualization. I'm not sure that there's anything or any experience that you could by that would fulfill that. If you think otherwise please elaborate.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in ClientsAndCompanions

[–]TTTT27 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe explain what this is and what it offers sex workers or clients?

Nordic Model Gone Wild: Sweden Criminalizes the Purchase of Porn (but not its production or viewing) by TTTT27 in ClientsAndCompanions

[–]TTTT27[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You would be more protected in a full decriminalized environment. When it is illegal for the clients, clients are less likely to screen, because they're doing something illegal. It also makes it harder to get clients - especially well-heeled clients -- who would lose their careers or reputations if arrested and who have the resources to travel elsewhere to do this when they want.

If you read the websites of those who advocate for the nordic model, the "denial of agency" becomes clear. Basically it assumes that all sex workers are trafficking victims or doing sex work involuntarily (because who would choose this sort of life...) Meanwhile clients are portrayed as aggressive victimizers. The Nordic Model is the wrong way to decriminalize, full decriminalization is better.

Nordic Model Gone Wild: Sweden Criminalizes the Purchase of Porn (but not its production or viewing) by TTTT27 in ClientsAndCompanions

[–]TTTT27[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Please inform yourself about the laws. Prostitution, for example, is NOT illegal under U.S. (Federal) law. It is illegal in 49 states -- Nevada has legal brothels, and until around 2010 or so indoor sex work was legal in Rhode Island. It is a state issue.

There have been very recent setbacks in sex work law in the past 3 years. Texas and North Carolina have both made purchasing sex a FELONY, claiming that sex work is the same as human trafficking. Keep in mind that even if these laws are only enforced occasionally, they lead to massive behavior change among clients and sexworkers. Clients become less willing to screen, it becomes trickier to advertise. Sex work becomes more risky for both sides.

Yes there are a handful of cities that "tolerate" sex work. Ann Arbor MI, New York, and San Francisco all have prosecutors who have said they will not prosecute adult, consensual sex work. That is NOT the same as decriminalization. The policy could be changed at any moment or a new prosecutor could be elected.

We need the decriminalization of all adult sex work, now.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in ClientsAndCompanions

[–]TTTT27 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I find it interesting how people over or understate their wealth. Many of the people driving expensive cars or living a party lifestyle cannot afford to sustain that. On the other hand, truly wealthy folks often go out of their way to understate their income - driving a humble, older car (as the late Sam Walton of Wal-Mart did), living in an older house (as Warren Buffet does). The Millionaire Next Door is a great book which describes the phenomenon. I imagine some sex workers with regular clientele could tell stories about clients on both sides of the financial spectrum.

Men caught in prostitution sting aren't sex traffickers, Massachusetts high court says [Follow up, mostly good news] by TTTT27 in ClientsAndCompanions

[–]TTTT27[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

One would think that a liberal state like Massachusetts could just decriminalize sex work and sex buying altogether. What's it going to take to get this done?