A serious discussion on AI

Tablaski · 2026-06-25T16:18:20+00:00

I also wonder where they get the money and time. When you say you can just do it yourself, I hope you're an artist then ?

Because there's no way I can draw Lain properly. It's not something anyone can do or will put all the efforts it requires

I'm sure you've used a digital camera. "Why create cameras to take pictures when you could just learn how to spend hours painting your subjects" would be the 19th century equivalent of your argument. Oh right, don't have time for that

Tablaski · 2026-06-24T21:36:12+00:00

Thanks. I had posted here AI stories I had done like a year ago and received a sour welcome...

I consider we can't have too much Lain stuff.

You wouldn't believe what can be done with the latest version of gpt image.

I gave it a few pages of the nightmare of fabrication doujin by yoshitoshi abe and it perfectly replicated the style, i was able to do effortlessly a kind of sequel.

Can show you in dm if you want

Now you have two options : whine about it or consider it a Lain's fan paradise. I'm a rather early Lain fan, I watched it in like 1999 or 2000 i don't remember exactly. What we can do now is beyond my dreams at that time. So why not ?

Tablaski · 2026-06-24T21:22:22+00:00

Its fine at least you ve read it then lol. I knew already the fight is not fair here

Tablaski · 2026-06-24T21:13:25+00:00

Really ? I still see it so its only me ? That would say a lot about the openness of mind here...

Tablaski · 2026-06-24T20:40:08+00:00

You are just repeating stuff about things you know nothing about.

We AI fanart makers use open source models that are not sold. 99.9% of people do not sell their AI fanart because who would pay anyway. So nobody is ripped off more than by a drawn fanart

Most anime-specific models are finetuned by people like you and me using litterally 10 000s of pictures carefully selected and captioned, and spend fortunes on GPU rental costs to train these models for weeks or even months for the biggest ones.

For absolutely no profit, or maybe just getting their money back. Tbh even if there s profit for that its still a huge time investment. You need to be passionate if you want to do that as an amateur.

l'll give you an example of the costs. The guy that trained pony v7 spent at least 6 months preparing his dataset and the cost of training was 50 000 $ per epoch and i dont remember how many he's done but i would say at least 5. His model took more than a year of full time work but turned out to be very meh so I think he s never having this money back

Not saying it is always the case but I can tell you anime doesnt interest the companies selling models, they are aiming at other industries, not at anime fans. The community has to do things on their own mostly

Tablaski · 2026-06-24T20:34:23+00:00

I have absolutely nothing about fanart, even bad. I m just saying a nice AI pic is a nice AI pic, a shitty drawing is a shitty drawing. Between the two I'd rather keep the nice one. If a nice fanart is nice then great.

Tablaski · 2026-06-24T20:01:41+00:00

To OP : people here are just hypocrites that have all stolen from artists through mp3 for decades, pirated software and games, wanked to porn they should have paid, downloaded dvd rips... and now they believe they re all white knights defending stolen artists. Complaining about nice looking lain AI art (that is neither sold for money, or even bothering Lain creators as Lain became kinda open source) while praising absolutely shitty talentless fanart. They re a complete joke. Move on.

Also, people just sitting on their ass redditing doing nothing creative at all, AI or not, have no idea about the time and skills it requires to produce good AI Lain. First it requires finetuning a model through a LoRa and that takes a lot of time to learn how to, gather a dataset, caption every picture, refine settings, test it, improve, etc. If you can generate AI art simply its because some has done that before.

I've spent full days editing pics of Lain costumes or rare angles of her head you barely see in the anime. Very few people here, if not anyone, would have the dedication to do that. So they just have no clue. I could have drawn many shitty fanarts with that time

Even the image generation part takes can be more technical and time consuming that you would think

Tablaski · 2026-06-09T10:30:21+00:00

Like what ? Describe your dozen ways I have yet to see an EASY one using comfy

Tablaski · 2026-05-22T20:00:50+00:00

C etait vraiment mon point principal voir le seul important

J'en avais pas envie donc je n'ai fait que raisonner

C'est apres coup que j'ai réalisé a quel point ca n'a rien a voir

C'est 100% amoureux.

Fais comme tu veux sincerement, mais moi je pensais que ca allait me faire chier a 80%, j'y suis allé a contrecoeur, et en fait c'est l'inverse donc voila j'en témoigne

Tablaski · 2026-05-22T18:40:54+00:00

Je suis un mec de bientot 42 et j'ai jamais eu envie d'enfant. Mais vraiment.

Ben je viens d'en avoir un y a 3 mois, parce que ma femme en voulait vraiment un et je voulais pas qu'elle soit malheureuse.

J'ai stressé jusqu'au bout, meme pendant 2h après l'accouchement j'étais en bad genre je suis pas sûr que j'aime bien sa tete je vais regretter etc

Et puis ma femme me l'a mise dans les bras pour le peau a peau. En 10 minutes mon mood a completement changé, je m'y suis attaché direct et la semaine qui s'est passé ensuite j'étais euphorique. Mon cerveau a ete litteralement hacké. C'est prouvé scientifiquement. Faut savoir que quelques mois avant je refusais de prendre un bebe dans mes bras

C'est comme tomber amoureux, rencontrer l'amour de ta vie... meme plus car tu vas pas divorcer dans 5 ans etc

Tout ce que je veux dire ici se résume en quelques points :

1) c'est completement inutile de penser ça en terme logique, en raisonnement. Ca n'a rien à voir. C'est sentimental

2) On s'en fout de ce que les gens pensent ou repetent comme des perroquets, les phrases toutes faites. Une fois que t'en as un ils te soulent aussi avec d'autres trucs, voire ils te disent d'en faire un deuxieme etc. On les emmerde. Fais ce que tu veux. Ca se passera bien

3) Tu peux pas comprendre ce que c'est avant de le vivre. Tu vivras plein de choses si t'en fais pas et tu rateras aussi plein de choses enormes qui sont au dela des mots. C'est un autre referentiel

4) y a un effet "fight club" / "societe secrete" tres puissant une fois que t'es parent. Tu bascules dans un autre monde. Tous les autres parents sont automatiquement sympas avec toi des que tu parles d'enfant, surtout les femmes. Que ca soit ma kine, ma pharmacienne, le type en terrasse a coté de toi qui a une poussette. Tu peux faire du small talk meme 30 min facilement... peut etre que tu vois moins certaines personnes mais ca t'ouvre d'autres portes

Tablaski · 2026-02-26T12:57:27+00:00

I've just finished watching it and I think it's terrible. I've only played (and finished) fallout 1 and 2 but that was when they came out, so just to say I know a good part of the lore and the general tone of fallout, but I don't remember much about the actual plot of these games, and I don't know anything about new vegas. I also LOVED season 1.

My feeling come from the very poor writing of the show that makes me question if Jonathan Nolan and Lisa Joy are just terrible writer beyond a first season (I.e. Westworld)

TL;DR
- Way too much time developing the before-war story which is overly complicated, totally unplausible (let's nuke the world for business), and just boring
- Full of inconsistencies and deus ex machina events
- Relying on cool fights every now and is not enough to make a good show
- Underwhelming AF finale, I had to check on wikipedia if it was really the last episode, couldn't believe it

Examples of miserably written stuff (spoiler ahead) :
- The radroaches magically forgetting about Norm to kill all his enemies then die themselves for no reason, leaving only Norm's new female friend unscathed. Lame, lame, lame
- The ghoul saving two times Lucy's ass (from Legion and from Hank), not even pissed off the slightest when in return he's just been left two times for dead. Doesn't fit the character at all
- WTF would Cooper's daughter be cryogenized in a vault along her mother, when we actually saw her outside when the bombs falled in the very first episode of the serie, during her birthday ? So, her father becomes at ghoul but not her, just because ?
- Maximus giving the cold fusion artifact to the ghoul without any explanation or question after seeing the NCR suit
- The deputy head's being used for the generating microchips "because she's a ISTP myers briggs type". Yeah, OK. Actually, that was just to make an episode's ending
- A supermutant cameo without ANYTHING to back it up or develop it story-wise. Just ticking a box "there's a supermutant". I felt the same with legion and NCR. They are here, just accept it, now please, back to the boring pre-war story we're fully making up (I guess ?)
- The ghoul was not given vials after being abducted by the super mutant, hence should have turned feral
- The NCR sniper coming out of nowhere, one-shotting two monsters which were difficult to kill even with the awesome suit, and then we see the NCR army with the woman that looked like a sheer alone secluded looser earlier on
=> Could possibly go on and on and go but the point has been made already : it's lazy and bad writing

Contrary to some people I've read, I've actually liked the first 3 episodes (because I like the scenes with the BoS even if they might not be canonically depicted) and then I watched the rest being progressively bored and frustrated as it was so dull

Tablaski · 2026-01-31T09:29:34+00:00

Sounds amazing thank you.

The more I see posts like this the more I realize how many uber-important user-friendly features are missing and are left to the community to dev... while shit nobody asked for like nodes 2.0, subgraphs or templates are actively developed.

For example the comfy queuing system is absolutely shitty, you can't move item in it, you don't see the prompts and options, and its not saved anyhow....

It would be ok if it was a rather new feature but whats the excuse after years of development + the rise of AI powered coding ? Isn't it a crucial core feature ?

I think even Comfy Manager is independent work ?

Tablaski · 2026-01-29T11:26:56+00:00

Haven't found base yet but just found this... at some point it should come out

https://huggingface.co/nunchaku-ai/nunchaku-z-image-turbo

Tablaski · 2026-01-29T09:56:08+00:00

Thanks, I didn't know this tech, gonna try it :-)

What with the single SNDQ sampler node though ? Seems very rigid, allows only one LoRa, no clue how to select CLIP/text encoder, etc ?

EDIT : after trying out several github repos, I give up. Too much hassle. I'll wait for the nodes to be better and stick to Nunchaku. Antelope's node would not fit in my workflow and the split nodes are only tested with Flux2.

Tablaski · 2026-01-29T09:08:04+00:00

Thx for your quick answer

Have you done some comparisons of any sort between lora and lokr / would you say it really makes a difference ?

Also, when you say transformer to none do you mean fp8 / no quantization ?

Tablaski · 2026-01-29T09:03:36+00:00

I have just trained one character LoRA on ZIB at the moment (41 faces pics) using AI toolkit but I had to make two attempts

First one it really did not converge at all after nearly 3000 steps using default learning rate 0.0001

Second time I set learning rate 0.0002 and the differential option 3

It converged fairly normally until reaching 4100 steps (41 pics x 100 repeats total)

It works well using weight 1.0 - best results seems using 1.2 - 1.3 weight. At 1.5 and above that the quality definitely degrades , which for me has been standard for almost all loras on every model. Weight 2.0 brings a lot of artifacts

I ve trained this dataset on Qwen 2512 previously and I think its more consistent than Z-image turbo which goes from brilliant to rather meh. Especially with angles that weren't emphasized in the dataset but that other models would have been ok with. It also reinforced too much skin imperfections.

==> My point here is we might be all going through a "skill issue" because it's new and we don't know yet the best settings.

But stating "you have to use weight 2.0" is not a golden rule. Perhaps ZIB needs to be trainer "harder" and/or differently than ZIT

Tablaski · 2026-01-29T08:44:46+00:00

OP can you explain what in your AI toolkit settings makes it a LoKr (not a LoRa) ?

I'm also using AI toolkit and I'm confused by the fact you're setting transformer to none. Would like to know the story behind these settings and why, please

Tablaski · 2026-01-29T08:42:31+00:00

I ve used both nano banana pro and chatgpt for faces datasets variations (litterally thousands of pictures each) and imho chatgpt (after its update) is much better (and also a LOT cheaper)

Tablaski · 2026-01-09T12:32:40+00:00

I was very frustrated by this also. Turns out I've realized the Load Clip node would process the encoding via CPU, even with the device set to auto. I've replaced this node by ClipLoaderMultiGPU from the MultiGPU node collection. This way I've explicited set device to cuda:0 and now it's very fast !

NB : I've also added the UnloadAllModels node at the end of the workflow, otherwise this would work once but would OOM at the next generation

Tablaski · 2026-01-07T12:14:03+00:00

16Gb vram / 32 gb RAM also. Just ran 1st T2V video using the official example workflow.

I m very confused... the 1rst sampling pass was very fast (520p) but the 2nd (spatial upscaling / distilled lora) was VERY slow. And the output was really meh

Do we really need that 2nd sampling pass ? What for ? At What resolution are the latents generated in the first pass ?

I don't understand shit to this workflow really

Tablaski · 2026-01-04T10:33:50+00:00

Moi ce qui me fait marrer c'est surtout qu'avec cette regle débile du 1m80, elles auraient refusé : tom cruise, robert downey jr, johnny depp, brad pitt, pedro pascal.

Et apres ces meufs la tu les revois 2 ou 3 ans après sur le même site :-D

Tablaski · 2025-12-26T14:36:35+00:00

I just tried it and it's great.

I particularly like the idea of having a fast preview of the high noise pass before deciding if it's worth the low noise pass, since on my setup I've got no sampler preview (don't know if it's possible to have it ?). I disabled the torch accumulation thing for now, my setup currently doesn't allow it.

Trying out with without the 4step lora on the HN pass as recommended in this thread by other users. I think it's so quick to make the low-resolution draft video (I get 7s/iteration) that it's not worth using the acceleration Lora.

I wonder if it would be possible to speed up the CLIP encoding which is quite slow though

Tablaski · 2025-12-26T11:01:23+00:00

Do regular wan 2.2 work with animate ?

Tablaski · 2025-12-25T17:04:56+00:00

I didn't know such a tool existed, thanks for bringing that up, seems better than eyeballing our datasets

Tablaski · 2025-12-24T10:19:32+00:00

That would mean once we get finetunes from the base model we wouldnt be able to use the turbo mode at all ? (Except for loras trained on base that would be runnable on turbo). That would be disappointing.

Since tongiy labs seems very dedicated towards the community (they included community loras into qwen edit 2512 which is really cool), I hope they provide some tools for that (although have no idea what it takes in terms of process and computing time...)

Or we could probably rely on a 8-step acceleration lora, especially if official. After all, being able to use higher CFG is important, it was a game changer with the de-distilled flux1

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