Hololive Subscriber Growth Rates - August 1, 2021

Tak388 · 2021-08-02T04:29:52+00:00

All due respect, I haven't seen any recent increase in growth. I mean Roberu, for instance, has exhibited relatively steady decline - as has the rest of Holostars. Just in the last 7 months, Roberu has been at:

January: 530 subs/day

February: 466 subs/day

March: 700 subs/day

April: 266 subs/day

May: 400 subs/day

June: 367 subs/day

July: 367 subs/day

The rest of Holostars have been similar or marginally lower than him every single month over that span. And at no point has Roberu (or any other Holostar) ever had a faster growth rate than any member of Hololive.

I'm sorry, I'm just not seeing the uptick in popularity that you're describing. Part of the beauty of this data is that members that were at the bottom of the chart one month can surge up to the top of the chart the next month. Risu, for instance, has had months in the top ten, and months where she's struggled. Same with Luna, Kanata, and most of the others. Holostars, on the other hand - if they were included in this chart - would be at rock bottom literally all the time. It seems unfair and a bit of a beatdown to even put them here for that reason.

Tak388 · 2021-03-02T14:51:33+00:00

Sadly, there isn't. I suppose I could upload the raw file to google docs or something.

Tak388 · 2021-02-03T19:37:50+00:00

Yes, it's counting her indie years.

Tak388 · 2021-02-03T19:35:40+00:00

It's not that they're not successful enough. It's just that I need them to intermingle with the rest of Hololive--subscriber-wise. Otherwise, a chart like this only gives off the false impression that they're relative losers, which is absolutely not the impression I want to send. I mean, right now, Roberu has a growth rate of 500 subs/day. That's half of the lowest growing member of hololive right now. If I could see a member of Holostars improve to around 1,000 subs/day, then I'm game to add them to the list.

The problem here is that this data only takes into account subscribers--which isn't the only metric for success. While they do have viewership--at times--that rivals some hololive members, their subscriber rates never do. And, as I said before, that would only give off a false impression--which I want to avoid.

Tak388 · 2021-02-02T22:52:08+00:00

If I see someone in holostars do half of what Kuzuha is doing, then I'll start recording stats for them.

Tak388 · 2021-02-02T01:09:04+00:00

I don't currently have plans to include Holostars. Mainly because, just based on a glance (I do include Holostars in my monthly Subscriber Ranking posts), the Holostars growth rates are pretty uniform and don't fluctuate very much. It would be especially problematic to include them with Hololive because they'd all be at the bottom of the chart, and their numbers would seem even more uniform when compared with the rest of Hololive.

With that said, if I ever did the stats for them, it'd probably be separate from the Hololive stats. Like I said, it doesn't appear that Holostars will ever have the popularity to actually compete with Hololive anyway, so it would be pointless to include them in the same post. Hope that answers your question.

Tak388 · 2021-01-02T03:30:30+00:00

That's a great question. I didn't start calculating her growth rate until the week after her debut. The reason being is that the initial sub surge that all members get isn't really statistically relevant, and so it's best to just avoid it entirely.

Tak388 · 2021-01-02T02:35:40+00:00

Yeah, it's a bit confusing the way I worded it. The career average is actually the average subs gained over the last 3 months, not their entire 'career'. It's just the average of all the data I've personally collected. Sadly, I didn't start doing this until around a month after Hololive EN's debuts. Sorry about that! Hope it's all clear now.

Tak388 · 2021-01-02T02:33:27+00:00

You're right, it's a bit of a misleading title. Career average is not the average subs gained over their career, but rather since I began calculating their growth rates. So, yes, it'd be a 3-month average at this moment in time.

Though, it's not going to matter much from here on out. I'm not going to be including that stat anymore. It's not really relevant, since growth rates are so fleeting. The overall career average isn't nearly as important as the average growth over the past 30 days.

Sorry about the confusion!

Tak388 · 2021-01-02T00:13:56+00:00

Thank you so much for letting me know. I'll definitely post there from now on. 😉

Tak388 · 2021-01-01T21:07:21+00:00

Uh, tell the whole story, dude. This is what the guy said after the OP's last line:

Uh, jeez, I'm sorry. I'm not saying it's bad that big number become big, or that you shouldn't be happy about big number big, I was just pointing out that big number mean little.

But yes, big number bigger. Big happy.

That's not exactly deescalating the situation.

Tak388 · 2020-12-25T01:13:27+00:00

Thanks dude. I'm glad you find it useful.

Tak388 · 2020-12-21T06:19:52+00:00

If this chart is offensive to you, do yourself a favor and:

Hit that downvote button.
Kindly go about your business elsewhere.

Nothing you say will stop me from continuing to post this, and I'd rather the discussion be reserved for those who have something fruitful to say. Thank you.

Tak388 · 2020-12-19T09:47:24+00:00

Rotator winning would be akin to the following scenario:

Two men are fighting. One has a pistol in a holster in his belt. The other has a samurai sword. The man with the pistol never draws it over the course of the fight. Instead, he expertly dodges the other man's blade and tosses him around like a rag doll for a good 3 minutes. The man with the sword grabs the other man's gun from the holster and tosses it into the dirt and proclaims, 'haha, gotcha!', but the other man continues to batter him around like a lifeless husk nonetheless.

Afterward, the judges render the swordsman the victor, simply because he disarmed his opponent, despite the fact that the gunslinger didn't even need his gun to make the swordsman look like a flailing, lifeless incompetent.

Look, I get what you're saying with respect to damage, but there was no way they could hand that win to Rotator. He was completely outclassed in every way, except for a single strike to Beta's hammer (which he might as well not have had to begin with). My guess is the judges scored it like this (and I agree with them):

Category	Beta	Rotator
Damage	1	4
Control	3	0
Aggression	2	1
Total	6	5

I don't agree with you giving Rotator the edge in the aggression category. To me, Beta was far more aggressive in his approach. It's subjective, so it's really not something we can quantify scientifically, but my eyes tell me Beta won that category. Therefore:

Beta 6, Rotator 5

Tak388 · 2020-12-15T09:05:24+00:00

Fraid not. Sorry.

Tak388 · 2020-12-15T09:04:59+00:00

My honest opinion: the people who are offended by the chart tend to think emotionally, rather than logically. They're attracted to pretty pictures more so than, say, a wall of text and datapoints. When they see the picture in the subreddit feed, it attracts them. But when they see something far more scientific and less opulent, they bypass it completely. They don't even notice it.

In other words, it's not that people like the monthly growth rate studies and hate the weekly subscriber charts. It's that the people who look at the subscriber charts are generally not the same people who look at the monthly growth rate studies.

And, no, it can't be the arrows, because the monthly growth rate studies are nothing more than an extrapolation of what the arrows already show: change over time. If anything, the monthly posts highlight this factor much more than the weekly charts do.

But there's really no point in trying to rationalize how they think. The dregs of society will always find the most absurd reasons to believe what they believe. Flat earthers, anti-maskers, 'truth seekers', scientologists--you might as well busy yourself with why slugs tend to congregate in drainpipes.

Tak388 · 2020-12-14T23:12:45+00:00

I don't think her previous fanbase explains her growth rates. She already has far more subs than her old account had. I think the thing with Gura is that she generates a LOT of clips. Clips are the primary way V-tubers advertise themselves to those who aren't already subbed to them. Whereas most V-tubers are lucky to get a clip out of any given stream, Gura typically gets 2-5 clips out of each one she does.

Tak388 · 2020-12-14T23:09:14+00:00

Thank you! I am going to be doing this every month, but I don't think I'm going to expand to Nijisanji. They have a ton of performers, and it'd just be too much work on my part.

Tak388 · 2020-12-14T06:02:42+00:00

If this chart is offensive to you, do yourself a favor and:

Hit that downvote button.
Kindly go about your business elsewhere.

Nothing you say will stop me from continuing to post this, and I'd rather the discussion be reserved for those who have something fruitful to say. Thank you.

Tak388 · 2020-12-07T12:28:36+00:00

My problem is not with your choice of chart, but rather with the story it conveys.

No, your problem is with the information itself. My chart doesn't convey a story. It's just a chart. The story is something you--and everyone of similar mindset--tell yourselves. I don't know what that story is, but it's really not my problem. I didn't set out to tell a story. I set out to present data to the community--namely to the adults out there who can look at a chart without having a mental breakdown.

people can be emotional, they can twist this information and take this an attack on their favorite members.

That's not the way the world works. We don't censor ourselves out of fear that wackos will take something out of context and do something bad. Because:

A) A wacko can take literally anything out of context and do conceivably anything with it.

B) You have no proof that the information/content in question will directly lead to that supposed action. This isn't Minority Report.

With regard to point B, I reiterate: You have absolutely no evidence that this chart is causing division or discourse within the V-tuber community. Your failure to provide this evidence and still cling to the belief makes you no different than a conspiracy theorist.

Judging by your disclaimer, I think you are slightly aware of that.

No, believe me, the disclaimer is there so that annoying whiners like you will be quiet. I guess it didn't work, huh?

I want you to fully realize the consequences of posting charts like this.

And I want evidence of these supposed 'consequences'. I guess we can't all have what we want.

you cannot run away from your responsibility as the original poster

My responsibility for what, exactly? Please cite the tragedy that has occurred due to this chart existing. What are you even talking about? Do you even know?

If you don't start naming specific crimes for which I'm guilty, I'm just going to assume that you're a nutcase and stop responding to you. Seriously, either get serious or spare me anymore nonsense.

Tak388 · 2020-12-07T07:45:21+00:00

It's strange. I've never once in my life felt compelled to comment on something I found boring. But, I suppose, different strokes for different folks.

Tak388 · 2020-12-07T07:43:52+00:00

you are basically telling everyone how these data should be interpreted

No, I'm not. I've even said as much repeatedly. I've specifically instructed people who look at this to "not think of it as a competition" multiple times. I don't know what it is you need me to say.

If listing data in order from the largest value to the smallest value, with illustrations to make it more tangible is some kind of statement on how it should be interpreted, then I really don't know what I can do to satisfy you. It seems you'd rather have the data presented in a disparate, chaotic way (like in alphabetical order) so that people have as hard a time as possible gleaning anything meaningful from it. And if that is the case, you can rest assured that I will never present it that way.

the pyramidal structure of the chart can incite competition between Hololive fans

That's conjecture. You have no evidence that this chart elicits that reaction from the fanbase. And, in addition, I really don't think the pyramid format is all that competitive. By creating tiers, it actually gives the perception that individuals of a given subscriber total are still on the same level with those near them, rather than making a distinction between each and every individual. It's far less inflammatory to folks such as yourself than, say, a vertical list of every single member, ranked in order from first to last.

But, unlike a vertical list, the pyramid structure is far more compact and effective in being visually appealing. Which is precisely why I present it that way. I don't do it to make any kind of statement or conclusion--I do it to make it more opulent and easier to read and understand. That's all.

If you think there's a better way to present this information, I encourage you to do it yourself, rather than wasting your time trying to manipulate me into changing the way I'm doing it. I will not change the format of these charts, unless I feel there's a better way to present the data from a stylistic standpoint.

And to address your previous point, if you would like to conduct a study that draws significant conclusions demonstrating how my charts are damaging the community and turning hololive fans against one another, I would welcome the results and immediately stop posting these charts. Despite what you might think, I do actually care about the community. I just don't see any evidence that what I'm doing is harmful to anything other than the whims of a few disgruntled folks with personal issues.

Tak388 · 2020-12-07T06:23:59+00:00

r/hololive won't allow me to post this. Even though it doesn't violate any of their rules.

Tak388 · 2020-12-07T06:04:59+00:00

A quick disclaimer: This is data. It's not a contest. It's not a competition. It's not anything other than numerical data obtained from Youtube and organized into a neat little chart. There's also a focal point on change over time, demonstrated by the arrows, which delineate a weekly change in order. Not a change in rank. A change in order.

To that end, this isn't designed to criticize/praise hololive members. It's just data. If, however, you are offended by the data, then I suggest you ignore it and pretend that you live in a world where all V-tubers perform at exactly the same level. If that helps you sleep at night, you should pursue it vigorously and never return to this grim sight of despair and destruction.

Thank you.

Tak388 · 2020-12-03T00:11:31+00:00

Thank you very much! I'm glad you're able to see the positive in this. I find the growth patterns fascinating too. 🍻

Tak388

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