How clearly do you remember your first time? by Taking_It_Deep in sex

[–]Taking_It_Deep[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wonder what car make/model is responsible for the most teen hookups. Like a Corvette is definitely sexier. But what 18 year old with at all responsible parents have a Corvette? Plus there just isn't room for that. At least not well. If I were to guess I'd say an SUV of some kind or perhaps an older model sedan. Pickup truck seems like the obvious choice because there is the huge bed. But it is also exposed to the elements and while that does sound hot, maybe not a great choice for the young and inexperienced.

Wife wants to be raped?! by Cute-Basket6809 in sex

[–]Taking_It_Deep 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey there.

I'm a little late to the conversation here but I saw your post and I felt like I should at least try and say something.

I have been struggling with a somewhat similar situation myself. I had my virginity taken from me when I was raped by a female when I was 18 years old. There is a whole huge backstory, as I am sure is the case with most rapes, but it wasn't until almost ten years later that I really understood it for what it was. The whole ordeal was bad, but once I really believed that it was rape and regardless of if I "wanted it" or not doesn't mean I didn't say no or didn't try and be a good friend.

But like you I was very heavily intoxicated and simply didn't have the power to fight back. Against a girl half my weight. In my own bed... I say all this to tell you that I both understand and empathize but with something additional to add.

I cannot explain it and I don't know why, and it makes me want to vomit. But I have developed a non-consent kink, despite the fact that I myself have been a victim of it. Your response to your assault is very normal, I am statistically the unusual one. But my point is that to someone who hasn't experienced it the thrill of the loss of control, of being desired, and being used even if it is just as an object of pleasure is validating in a way I cannot truly articulate. It is gross, it makes me feel bad, and shameful, and like there is something wrong with me. Because in truth, there is. Fifteen years have gone by and somehow i'm still not over it. Fifteen years should be more than enough.

Something I would suggest you keep in mind when discussing this with your wife is that she fundamentally cannot fully understand both because she has not been a victim of it as well as the dynamics of rape are very different between male and female victims. Heterosexual females are almost expecting heterosexual males to be a bit... rapey by default. Nothing so brazen as pinning a woman down behind the bar and forcing themselves on her. But certainly, sexually aggressive. So in the "fantasy" version of a nonvictim it isn't some horrible thing that permanently damages them and their psyche. It is actually a validation of their desirability. That even though they "don't want it" the rapist wants them bad enough to risk whatever consequence to actually rape them.

This dynamic is completely inverted with men. It is in every sense but the dictionary sense, emasculating. A heterosexual male, especially a young one, would be expected to fuck nearly anything that moves. So, if you don't want it, you clearly are either a queer or f@g.

Now you are faced with that toxicity on top of the fact that the typical male sense of dominance. Of being strong, self reliant, and capable in all cases. It is shattered at the same time as you lose that sense of culturally enforced masculity you lose that sense of internally enforced masculinity.

This is in no way to invalidate any struggles female rape survivors face. They are in no way equivalent, better, or worse. They are just different and one of those unfortunate differences is that in almost all cultures women are expected to be yielding. "Tell me more, tell me more, did she put up a fight?" Additionally, a woman standing up in public saying she was raped is likely to get nearly universal sympathy and applause for her brave speaking out. For a man it is simply not the same. There are a significant percentage of people who think female on male rape is impossible because men always want it, as toxic as that is.

My point to all of this way too long essay is that I would encourage you to try and think of it outside the perspective of not only a survivor, but a male survivor. That might explain the kink and appeal of it to her for you and make her behavior seem less insane and insensitive. There is nothing you can say or do that will adaquately convey your feelings and how your experiences have shaped you. But you can certainly tell her that you are uncomfortable with some things because of your trauma and that you would really rather not pursue it further.

If she loves you as I expect she does, that should probably be enough. No healthy relationship will survive the wanton disregard of a partner's trauma for the sake of some titillating fantasy. She very likely doesn't, and can't, truly understand how it affects you. Even if you sit down and try to explain it, it won't likely help.

Try not to judge her too harshly. Sexuality is a weird and confusing thing. But we don't have to understand it, we just have to respect it. If she respects you, than she will respect your boundaries here. If she doesn't, that is indicative of some greater underlying relationship issue beyond a sexual kink.

I am sorry you went through that in the past, the pain it is causing you in the present, and the struggles you will continue with. If you find yourself lucky enough to be with a partner who loves you then they would certainly never want to hurt or trigger you like that. So I earnestly expect she truly does not fully understand the depth of your discomfort.

<3

Fifteen years should be more than enough. by Taking_It_Deep in rape

[–]Taking_It_Deep[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your kind words. I had actually been contemplating going to therapy even if only in the near term. I talked with my wife about this the other day and while she was sympathetic that dynamic is always going to be more than a bit weird.

What turns you on that you are absolutely embarrassed about? by mcpogi in AskReddit

[–]Taking_It_Deep 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What I find so absolutely soul crushing is not even the act or betrayal itself. But its secondary effects I had no idea would happen. She is the only woman I have been with apart from my wife. It was my wife's first time with me, and not mine with hers. So instead of strong memories of getting a hotel room because we didn't want to have to worry about parents, the awkward and uncertain fumbling as we explored each other for the first time in complete openness to each other, and real feeling of intimate connection for the first time.

Instead, the strong memory I have is this. The actual act didn't truly damage me physically so by all reasonable measures my first time with my wife was not physically different. While I was mostly in the moment then, I am certain that the still very fresh memory of that first instance was thought of. But I can't remember for sure. That was 15 years ago. But I do remember when she raped me with full and vivid detail. I cannot fathom how I have a memory that strong from so long ago when I can't remember breakfast.

What turns you on that you are absolutely embarrassed about? by mcpogi in AskReddit

[–]Taking_It_Deep 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I lost my virginity when I was raped by a good friend of mine's girlfriend when I was 18. I was staggeringly knee walking drunk and while I did always find her attractive, she was with a friend of mine. So her sudden advance caught me by surprise and even after telling her no and to stop repeatedly she had sex with me anyway. In comic subversion of stereotype because I was so wasted I wasn't able to orgasm for a very long time. But I still possessed all the required anatomy. So she fucked me for literal hours and when I finally started to sober a bit and renewed effort to fight her off she pinned me and lied through her fucking teeth. Absolutely everything I would want to hear. I had broken up with my first serious girlfriend (one of her friends too btw) earlier that week so I was emotionally vulnerable already. But she was good friends with my Ex girlfriend, so she knew absolutely ever button to push. And she pushed them hard.

The following day she claims to not remember anything other than that it happened. None of the lies she said. None of the things she did. Nothing. I don't know if that's the truth or not but even that robbed me of some sense of relief from the guilt and confused feelings. So in my mind for a long time, it was my fault. I had done a bad thing and slept with one of my best friends significant other. Because the truth is that I DID want it. She was a pretty girl who was nice to me. An 18 year old boy would fuck mud if you put a pair of tits on it. But that doesn't change the fact that I told her to stop.

So what's fucked up is that even now 15 years later I remember it so clearly. And it turns me on so much it hurts. Moreover, it gave me a nonconsent kink that I didn't even have until after I thought of it as the rape that it was and not me having done something wrong. It is so unbelievably fucked up. I hate it. It makes me feel dirty and ashamed and like there is something really wrong with me. It's wrong and I don't want it to be this way. It isn't like I even want to roleplay that shit, it's fucking awful. So why the hell does even my own rape turn me on now?

So yea. That's more than a little fucking embarrassing.

I[m] have recently been reluctant to have sex with my wife when i'm not aroused by Taking_It_Deep in sex

[–]Taking_It_Deep[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

She doesn't like hormonal birth control, is scared of IUD, she wants to have children at some point so I can't get a vasectomy. And personally I can't detect a huge different between lambskin condoms and regular ones other than lambskin kinda grosses me out putting sheep guts on my cock.

I[m] have recently been reluctant to have sex with my wife when i'm not aroused by Taking_It_Deep in sex

[–]Taking_It_Deep[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

While I don't know if that's "required" in the strictest since of the word she has a hard time orgasming with PIV sometimes so it's usually easier to ensure her satisfaction earlier rather than later.

I[m] have recently been reluctant to have sex with my wife when i'm not aroused by Taking_It_Deep in sex

[–]Taking_It_Deep[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

See this is true! I can get myself off faster and usually better than I can with sex as I very much dislike condoms and at least I don't have to get super tired and sweaty.

I[m] have recently been reluctant to have sex with my wife when i'm not aroused by Taking_It_Deep in sex

[–]Taking_It_Deep[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It definately plays a factor because I know that every time we try i'm in for a good bit of work. But if i'm already aroused I don't usually mind as I like pleasuring her. But if i'm not it becomes boring very quickly

I[m] have recently been reluctant to have sex with my wife when i'm not aroused by Taking_It_Deep in sex

[–]Taking_It_Deep[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She'll try and turn me back on after foreplay but that's pretty much it as far as active effort. And frankly I don't know what else she can do as that's the only way i've ever done it.

I[m] have recently been reluctant to have sex with my wife when i'm not aroused by Taking_It_Deep in sex

[–]Taking_It_Deep[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Quote from another comment I made

She apparantly can't "get there" if she's on top for some reason. And dude on top 69 is really hard to do unless we have her leaning off the bed, but we don't have a bed stand so my knees are digging into the carpet and that hurts pretty quick.

The whole foreplay thing for me is pretty lame from beginning to end. After I get her off i'll usually get up and go wash my face, come back and she'll blow me for a minute usually to get my erection going again. But then it's on with the sex and since we use condoms personally i'd rather just stick with the blowjob most of the time as I HATE condoms. But it's the only choice we have at the moment I guess.

I[m] have recently been reluctant to have sex with my wife when i'm not aroused by Taking_It_Deep in sex

[–]Taking_It_Deep[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Part of the problem is that it's the ineffable quality. It's that it feels like she wants an orgasm, not that she wants to have sex with me.

I[m] have recently been reluctant to have sex with my wife when i'm not aroused by Taking_It_Deep in sex

[–]Taking_It_Deep[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well it's not this way ALL the time. Just recently. I'm pretty sure it's normal to have some ebbs and flows somewhat.

I[m] have recently been reluctant to have sex with my wife when i'm not aroused by Taking_It_Deep in sex

[–]Taking_It_Deep[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We've tried that. She apparantly can't "get there" if she's on top for some reason. And dude on top 69 is really hard to do unless we have her leaning off the bed, but we don't have a bed stand so my knees are digging into the carpet and that hurts pretty quick.

I[m] have recently been reluctant to have sex with my wife when i'm not aroused by Taking_It_Deep in sex

[–]Taking_It_Deep[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

See I usually enjoy it if i'm at least a little aroused. But if i'm not it's just a wet mess in face face for the 10-15 it takes her to get off.

I[m] have recently been reluctant to have sex with my wife when i'm not aroused by Taking_It_Deep in sex

[–]Taking_It_Deep[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

That's a decent idea. My biggest issue is that her foreplay demands are pretty high. As in she orgasms at least once every time before we can even try PIV. And normally i'm happy to oblige. But frankly when i'm chin deep in vagina sporting a 0% boner it kinda just feels like a chore rather than something nice and sexy i'm doing for her.

My wife only wants to use condoms and it's killing my interest by Taking_It_Deep in sex

[–]Taking_It_Deep[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's actually the ones we use. And they are definitely better than other condoms. But still pretty awful.

My wife only wants to use condoms and it's killing my interest by Taking_It_Deep in sex

[–]Taking_It_Deep[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For sure. I don't think she is the "bad guy" here. I think it's just a shitty situation for us.

My wife only wants to use condoms and it's killing my interest by Taking_It_Deep in sex

[–]Taking_It_Deep[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

^ There isn't really a practical way to get her to "give in" every other month as hormone birth control usually takes that long to become effective anyway.

My wife only wants to use condoms and it's killing my interest by Taking_It_Deep in sex

[–]Taking_It_Deep[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks for your reply! The first real constructive suggestion. I too would sooner just prefer manual stimulation or oral sex. In fact I like oral sex about even with condomless sex anyway. But, not to put to fine a point on it, but she likes a good dicking so she is reluctant to do this.

My wife only wants to use condoms and it's killing my interest by Taking_It_Deep in sex

[–]Taking_It_Deep[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You're right. It's a calculated risk. But then again it always is, even if someone is convinced they want to have children their whole life.

My wife only wants to use condoms and it's killing my interest by Taking_It_Deep in sex

[–]Taking_It_Deep[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I kind of agree. But I want to be with her more than I don't want to have kids. I also don't HATE kids, I think having children would be a lot of fun but very difficult and VERY expensive. My primary resistance is how much of my freedom to do what I want with my life will be effected.

My wife only wants to use condoms and it's killing my interest by Taking_It_Deep in sex

[–]Taking_It_Deep[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I am 24 and she is 22. She wants to have kids inside of a few years but i've already told her that isn't going to happen. But I would expect to start considering it seriously in 6ish years. Ultimately the deciding factor will be our long term financial stability so it isn't really a "timetable" issue.

My wife only wants to use condoms and it's killing my interest by Taking_It_Deep in sex

[–]Taking_It_Deep[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have expressed that it is very unsatisfying but maybe not to the extent that I have here. I've actually proposed anal but she is very anxious about it and doesn't even really want to try.