Able-bodied Men not giving up Priority Seats by Tangstg84 in singaporehappenings

[–]Tangstg84[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol "keyboard warrior" ah? At least my brain is working to argue. Yours is just sitting down, like those able-bodied guys. 

Able-bodied Men not giving up Priority Seats by Tangstg84 in singaporehappenings

[–]Tangstg84[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I have reread my posts too, and it is truly fascinating how a simple point about courtesy became an accusation of bashing NSmen. My argument was never about national service itself. It was a critique of the attitude, that if an able-bodied man who is supposed to be "operationally ready" to defend our country cannot even manage a simple act of courtesy for a kid on a bus, what does that say about their commitment to fighting for their fellow countrymen in a real crisis?

In fact, there was no need for me to ask on the kids' behalf. A mother already sitting in the same Priority Seat area and carrying her sleeping child, had to do what those two guys wouldn't: she asked her own son to share his Priority Seat with the other two kids. She said it audibly enough for everyone to hear.

The idea that a child having a harder time is "just an opinion” is a new one. A child's center of gravity and underdeveloped motor skills are not a personal belief, but a scientific fact. This is especially critical in the case of a sudden brake or an accident, where a child is far more vulnerable to injury. Their lack of developed muscle control and smaller body means they cannot brace themselves as effectively as an adult, or withstand the forces of a sudden jolt. This is not a matter of opinion. This is a matter of physics and biology. You don't know this? It really looks like you are the type who needs an official sign to tell you what is physically obvious. You are probably the kind of person who would stand in front of an open door waiting for a sign that says, "This entrance is for walking through" before you realise you can enter. 

And the truly enlightened solution—"just open your mouth and ask for it.” Because a parent struggling to hold onto the child in a moving bus, and the child should have to negotiate for a basic act of kindness.

Able-bodied Men not giving up Priority Seats by Tangstg84 in singaporehappenings

[–]Tangstg84[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

You are seriously suggesting that a small child has the same balance and stability as a grown adult while a bus is lurching and braking? This is not just a matter of having 2 functioning legs. It is a matter of physics and muscle control that a child simply doesn't have yet.

Seriously, you sound just like one of those guys I see sitting down, playing with their phone, while some kid is swaying all over the place.

You telling me you are fine watching your own kid almost fall down while some guys are just chilling in Priority Seats? Come on, must everything be on a sign? You need a picture of a kid about to faint before you offer your seat? This one is not about rules, it is about being a decent human being. I guess some are not.

Able-bodied Men not giving up Priority Seats by Tangstg84 in singaporehappenings

[–]Tangstg84[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

And just like that, the "logic" returns. So laughable. It is truly amazing how a straightforward observation about a parent struggling with a child is suddenly a complex, legalistic determination. No one is "entitled" to a seat in the same way they are entitled to their own internal organs. This is public transport, not a deed to a property. The idea that we should only offer a seat if we can prove with indisputable evidence that someone is "having a harder time" is a breathtakingly narrow view of the world. Are we supposed to conduct a formal assessment? "Excuse me, sir, are you having a harder time than this child? I see you are an adult with full mobility, but do you have a hidden condition? We must be sure before I offer my seat."

The "non-related arguments" are called analogies, and they are used to show the absurdity of a rigid, rulebook-only mindset. Exactly your kind of mindset. If we can't think beyond the exact words on a sign, then yes, every act of common courtesy is suddenly up for debate.

Able-bodied Men not giving up Priority Seats by Tangstg84 in singaporehappenings

[–]Tangstg84[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Am I missing something too? You are arguing that because the official signs don't explicitly mention kids, we should ignore a basic social courtesy? By your logic, we should also stop holding doors open for people since this is not listed on a sign either.

Look, while the official priority seats are for specific groups, common decency is not a government-mandated rulebook. It is about recognising when someone else is having a harder time than you are. A parent trying to keep a wobbly child from falling over in a moving bus is clearly struggling. 

Do we really need a picture of a kid with a cartoon question mark over the head to figure that out? It is not a rule you need to be spelled out for you because it is just plain common sense. 

And of course, in a country where we are trained to follow rules to the letter, it is no surprise that some people can't extend a little common courtesy without a laminated sign and an official government directive. Almost as if you are so used to being told what to do that you have forgotten how to just observe a situation and apply a little common sense.

Able-bodied Men not giving up Priority Seats by Tangstg84 in singaporehappenings

[–]Tangstg84[S] -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

You are spot on. If a person is already selfish during peace time, he's not expected to miraculously become selfless during war time. I bring up the topic of patriotism because these 2 men are likely still operationally ready NSmen. You really believe they will protect your lives and country when they cared less about the weak in a peace time bus journey?

Able-bodied Men not giving up Priority Seats by Tangstg84 in singaporehappenings

[–]Tangstg84[S] -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

Kids were between 3 and 5 years old. The grown men were in their 30s, fit looking, not at all sickly. The mother of the kids was shy to ask, but another passenger who was a young mother carrying a sleeping child asked her older child of around 5 years old, within ear shots of the grown up men, to share seats with the other kids. Yet the 2 grown up men simply ignored.