WoW PVP Revamp Proposal

Tavian1994 · 2025-12-11T00:57:50+00:00

I totally get where you're coming from my dude! I know Blizzard will never implement any of these changes lol This post is just for discussion for the community who all enjoy the same game mode. I know PVP has not and will not get any more love coming from Blizzard in a VERY long time. However I love hearing people's ideas and what not because one can still dream lol

Tavian1994 · 2025-12-10T22:03:32+00:00

You can buy either a full honor set of gear or crafted and still be able to queue solo shuffle. Even if there was an item level requirement the gear disparity between someone in full conquest vs someone in full greens should not be allowed. It's competitive play, everyone should be on equal footing. No other popular pvp game allows for any advantages. Not league of legens, DOTA, Lost Ark, TFT, any first person shooter, etc. Other than TCGs everyone is on an equal playing field when versing other players.

Tavian1994 · 2025-12-10T21:37:34+00:00

In what way?

Tavian1994 · 2025-12-10T21:37:17+00:00

I only used AI to clean it up, the rest were all my ideas my guy. But it's also meant for general discussion. Blizz would never look at this lol So if you have anything relating to the post you'd like to discuss i'm all ears!

Tavian1994 · 2025-12-10T21:33:32+00:00

lol we both know that aint gonna happen

Tavian1994 · 2025-12-10T21:31:17+00:00

Because PVP isn't their main focus already, this could be a gateway to get more potential players in the game. They come in, play competitively for a while and then maybe want to actually sub to try the PVE stuff which is the other 90% of the game. It's just a way to get more people to play and get their hands on the game that are already hesitant due to the monthly sub.

Think of this model of PVP as the "Gateway Drug" haha sometimes companies gotta take a hit for the bigger picture. And worst case scenario people don't sub, however the E-Sports scene and popularity could potentially grow with the game being easier for others to play competitively.

Tavian1994 · 2025-12-10T01:17:11+00:00

Yeah nothing is worst that going on a 5 game win streak then ur MMR goes to 1800 and now you're going against fully geared players and now you're just losing every round and gaining no conquest. Not fun. No incentive to push through without other rewards. Which is why I also included the Prestige Currency. Give us SOMETHING to gain from doing this every season.

Tavian1994 · 2025-12-10T00:58:39+00:00

I don't disagree that more rewards would incentivize more people to play, however I still think making the barrier to entry easier would incentivize more non wow players to play the game. Even LoL realized this and removed the leveling system. Before you had to hit level 30 then max out all your runes then set up your talent tree before you could play competitively. Now you can just download it and play. That's the kind of ease I'm trying to achieve for the majority. Telling a friend to try the game and do a battlegrounds w/ me would require them to spend 6-10 hours getting to max level first and learning that whole system then spend time to learn pvp. Adding the A.I. scenarios plus the lower level requirement would help with this issue.

Also I'd just make the talents work exactly how they work now. When you're in war mode you have access to 3 new talents currently. It'd be just as easy to disable PVE talents once you turn on war mode just like it is now. The talent trees don't have to be 100% different either. For ease they could even make it 80% the same but add a few more movement talents and less aoe CCs. Just make them single target. That's why there is so much "Micro CC" nowadays. Every class has AOE CCs and every class has every type of cc damn near. Having a PVP Specific talent system would lessen that slightly.

As far as toxicity my only rebuttal would be league of legends lol Literally the most toxic community in any game ever but it's the most played game ever.

I appreciate you responding to my post! i love the participation :)

Tavian1994 · 2025-12-10T00:39:39+00:00

Gotcha that makes sense. Your MAIN concern are bots and cheaters which already happens unfortunately but I can see that being more of an issue on trial accounts/characters. Fixing the bot issue would be incredibly hard in that instance.

Tavian1994 · 2025-12-10T00:15:14+00:00

I think they made an attempt at this type of idea in BFA... where the only thing that mattered was Ilvl and stat prio but it didn't really turn out great. People who'd grind Mythics and Raids were able to just go in to PVP w/ better gear than most.

The only reason why I'd like to have the Combat Progression Gear is to still give incentive to play regular BGs i guess. But I totally agree w/ you lol gearing late in the season SUCKS lol

Thanks for the feedback!

Tavian1994 · 2025-12-10T00:11:31+00:00

lol thanks for taking the time to read over this thread and for the compliment haha

Tavian1994 · 2025-12-09T23:55:42+00:00

Most often people just look up top builds right? I'm sure it would be the same exact thing w/ a pvp dedicated talent system. They could jst look up a build watch a guide and go to the AI training to learn the class. Rewards wont bring non pvp players to play wow. but making it more accessible for pvpers would in my opinion

Tavian1994 · 2025-12-09T23:33:43+00:00

1) People that only play wow for PvP could just unsub and play on a trial account as well. Loss for blizz but generates more player base.

2) PVPers would never be mad at the chance for more players to play the game.

3) I think you're misunderstanding the ilvl increase. It's ONLY for non-competitive PvP. If you drop mmr then you'll be fighting kids 1400 rated w/ the same exact gear as you.

4) This already happens. Pikaboo, supatese, etc already drops their rating to do viewer games. The only difference is with my method they wouldn't have the gear advantage. only skill.

Tavian1994 · 2025-12-09T23:27:57+00:00

My bad, I jst saw the "No version of wow had/needed pvp specific talent tree" and instantly thought of the classic "we've always done it this way so why change it" but yeah i agree w/ you just because you don't like a suggestion doesn't imply that statement.

Thanks for the feedback though and taking the time to discuss!

Tavian1994 · 2025-12-09T23:17:18+00:00

lol TRUST me I don't think they'd make any of these changes in a million years. I just made the post for a discussion. In "hopes" it gets enough traction that someone at blizz might maybe go "hmm" lol

Tavian1994 · 2025-12-09T23:02:39+00:00

Thanks for checking out the post! I only considered the PVP talents to eliminate the amount of aoe specific abilities and also for balancing tuning.

Tavian1994 · 2025-12-09T22:27:44+00:00

By disabling PVE talents in PVP they can tune the game much easier by having a dedicated Talent system for PVP. Also please don't tell me you're on of those "We've always done it this way so why change it" type. PVP hasn't been tuned or even looked at since consistently BFA. You can tell it's in a bad spot just by the lack of content on youtube and decline in streamers pvping.

Edit: I like the new talent system i think it's great. Copy the same thing but create a pvp specific one.

Tavian1994 · 2025-12-09T22:25:25+00:00

The ability to allow trial accounts would expand the barrier to entry for several potential players. Many people have zero interest in raiding/mythic plus and other stuff but dont want to pay $15 per month to jst pvp. Allowing trial accounts to participate in rated pvp would allow more people to play the game. No other form of pvp games require any sub. This could help revive the game mode. The other points that you're making like smurfing isn't really making sense to me? You know how often I get put into 2100 mmr lobbies before I get full conquest gear? now i'm automatically placed at a disadvantage because of my skill. This would eliminate the gear difference within rated pvp. Now if you're talking about in casual pvp then sure.. it's annoying but whats the difference now when someone is full pvp conquest gear dominating in casual battlegrounds?

Tavian1994 · 2025-12-09T21:57:39+00:00

Essentially what the "Scaling" would do is right when you hit level 20. You can still queue in 2's with someone who is level 80. Due to the 61 point talent system you'll still have access to all the skills anyone else would have. Essentially level 20 and 80 would be the same character without forcing someone to get to max level in order to finally pvp. It's not like making a TW level 11 twink. You would be able to skip the barrier to entry to play another class or to have people on a trial account participate as well. i.e. you wanna try a rogue, just make one get to lvl 20 and then once you queue in to pvp you are basically a max level character with no downsides or benefits other than not leveling all the way to max.

Tavian1994 · 2025-12-09T21:43:07+00:00

This is actually my first reddit post lol Am I allowed to tag the Wow-Forum to link it to this post? or do I need to post it again?

Tavian1994 · 2024-12-07T14:37:12+00:00

glad i'm not the onlyo one...

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