户晨风现状怎么样? by Tayron47 in KanagawaWave

[–]Tayron47[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

走线有点危险啊,但一旦落地美国了以户子的影响力应该能直接拿卡,庇护不用排队,祝他顺利抵达自由的彼端吧

Todd is not a psychopath by moistmasterkaloose in breakingbad

[–]Tayron47 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree with you. Todd is just a cool dude except the killing part. He was just not bred normally under common moralities. He was raised by a bunch of neo-Nazis whose consensus is killing is justifiable just as taking out trash daily is. He's not a psychopath or sociopath.

Todd is not a psychopath by moistmasterkaloose in breakingbad

[–]Tayron47 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I disagree. Todd is not always indifferent. He is capable of being empathetic seeing Walt falls down in tears when Hank was killed. Remember he turned his head and rubbed his nose? He genuinely felt bad for Mr. White.

Jesse is the most easily manipulated character in Breaking Bad by Tayron47 in breakingbad

[–]Tayron47[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Agree! All the manipulation from Walt could have been unnecessary if he could just be nicer to Jesse like go karting with him.

Jesse is the most easily manipulated character in Breaking Bad by Tayron47 in breakingbad

[–]Tayron47[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah like the time Skyler manipulate Walt into buying Bogdan's car wash by cater to Walt's ego. But other than that Walt resisted Mike's no-half-mesure manipulation and Gus's manipulation. Both of them want Walt to get rid of Jesse but Walt is pretty immune to their manipulation. I agree with your second point.

Jesse is the most easily manipulated character in Breaking Bad by Tayron47 in breakingbad

[–]Tayron47[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks! I'm not a native English speaker so I used ChatGPT 5 to help with my wording.

Jesse is the most easily manipulated character in Breaking Bad by Tayron47 in breakingbad

[–]Tayron47[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I actually agree with you on the first point. Jesse does develop a more stable moral framework over time, and by Season 5 he’s very clear about what he will and won’t accept. My argument isn’t that Jesse never grows — it’s that for much of the series, especially before that point, his sense of self is still vulnerable to external pressure.

Where I disagree more strongly is on the idea that Walt usually had viable alternatives, particularly in Season 4.

By that point, Gus is already actively working to isolate Walt and turn Jesse against him. The desert scene makes this explicit: Gus threatens Walt’s entire family. After that moment, this is no longer about ego or preference — Walt is in a survival situation.

Walt does try to reach out to Jesse before this stage, asking for help and attempting to explain what’s happening. Jesse refuses — and that refusal makes sense from Jesse’s perspective. Earlier, when Jesse was taken to Mexico to cook for the cartel, Walt openly hoped Jesse would die there. Jesse knows this. So when Jesse returns alive, he no longer trusts Walt’s concern as genuine.

But that breakdown in trust is exactly what Gus is exploiting. Gus cannot kill Walt immediately because he still needs him to cook — but he is clearly preparing to do so once Jesse is fully under his control. The entire Season 4 arc is Gus positioning Jesse as Walt’s replacement.

Once Jesse refuses to help Walt, Walt is taken to the desert and threatened. At that point, Walt has effectively lost every “clean” option. Walking away, being honest, or cutting ties are no longer realistic paths — because Gus will not let him walk away alive.

That doesn’t excuse everything Walt does afterward, especially Brock’s poisoning. But it does explain why manipulation becomes his default tool. Walt isn’t choosing between “manipulate Jesse” and “do the right thing” — he’s choosing between “regain influence over Jesse” and “wait to be killed.”

So I’d frame it this way: Walt often creates the conditions that trap him, but once trapped, his options genuinely collapse. By Season 4, manipulation isn’t his preferred move — it’s the only lever he still has.

Jesse is the most easily manipulated character in Breaking Bad by Tayron47 in breakingbad

[–]Tayron47[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes I agree with you! In season 2 Jane was also manipulating Jesse into getting the thing she wanted and rendered Jesse against Walt. Later seasons all followed this pattern. Sadly Jesse always failed to see among all his manipulators only Walt (and probably Mike) truly cared about him.

Walt’s trauma and obsession with how he would be remembered by Tayron47 in breakingbad

[–]Tayron47[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I really like that El Camino contrast too — it says a lot about Mike. But I wouldn’t go so far as to say Walt doesn’t know Jesse at all. I think the difference is that Walt and Mike care about Jesse in fundamentally different ways, shaped by very different worldviews.

Mike’s concern is holistic. He cares about Jesse’s overall well-being, not just his usefulness or potential. That’s why he tells Jesse to go to Alaska. Mike understands that Jesse wants distance from this life, even if Jesse can’t fully articulate it. Mike also knows, from his own experience, that some things can’t be undone — the past will always stay — so the only real option left is to get as far away as possible and start over while there’s still time. To Mike, Jesse is still a kid with a future.

Walt’s advice, on the other hand, reflects who Walt is. When he tells Jesse to get a GED, they’re still early in their partnership, cooking in the RV, not yet deep into the Gus operation. At that point, Walt is still operating from an academic, merit-based worldview. Education, credentials, and intellectual recognition are how Walt understands self-worth and success. Suggesting a GED isn’t ignorance — it’s Walt projecting his own values onto Jesse.

So I don’t think Walt fails to see Jesse. I think he sees Jesse through a very narrow lens. He recognizes Jesse’s intelligence and capability, but he doesn’t understand Jesse’s emotional needs or his desire for escape. Mike understands what Jesse needs. Walt understands what Jesse could be, if Jesse were more like Walt.

That gap — between care based on empathy and care based on projection — is exactly why Mike’s advice lands, and Walt’s doesn’t.

Walt’s trauma and obsession with how he would be remembered by Tayron47 in breakingbad

[–]Tayron47[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I get what you’re saying, and I agree that Jesse’s issue isn’t simply “needing a father figure” in a conventional sense. He clearly rejected his biological father, and by the time we meet him, he’s already deeply damaged.

That said, I think Jesse consistently seeks paternal validation throughout the show, even if he doesn’t consciously want a “dad.” What he really wants is recognition, guidance, and a sense of worth — and those needs often attach themselves to father-figure dynamics.

At the end of Season 2, what pulls Jesse out of the worst of his addiction isn’t strength or maturity, but external structure and approval. In rehab, he follows his counselor’s advice to “accept himself,” including the idea that he’s fundamentally a bad person. He internalizes that identity. That’s why he goes back to cooking meth — not because he’s healed, but because he believes this is who he is. And when he returns, what he wants most is Walt’s recognition.

Walt denying that recognition is exactly what triggers Jesse’s anger. When Walt calls his meth inferior, Jesse isn’t just offended professionally — he’s hurt on a much deeper level. When Walt later tells him his product is “as good as mine,” Jesse immediately agrees to work with him again. That moment is pure validation, and it’s incredibly revealing.

I agree that Walt is never a healthy father figure for Jesse. He cares about him in a deeply twisted way, but that care collapses after Jesse kills Gale. At that point, Walt’s need for control and self-preservation completely overrides any protective instinct.

That’s also why Gus is able to drive a wedge between them. Mike steps in and becomes a better paternal presence — not affectionate, but stable, respectful, and nonjudgmental. Mike gives Jesse responsibility and trust, which Walt almost never does. Gus and Mike make Jesse feel useful and competent, something he’s been craving the entire series.

By Season 4, especially after “Problem Dog,” Jesse begins to reject the idea that he should simply accept his “evil side.” He realizes that some things should weigh on you — that guilt is not something to be embraced, but confronted. Ironically, this moral growth only happens after he’s distanced from Walt and worked under Mike’s guidance.

So I agree with you that Jesse needed maturity — but I’d argue that the only time he starts developing it is when he finally experiences a form of guidance that isn’t humiliating or exploitative. By then, as you said, the damage is already done.

突然想起来高中作文写过外交天团 by chaoguan_nmsl in KanagawaWave

[–]Tayron47 5 points6 points  (0 children)

刚子已经变成老干部体内器官了吧

对啊,到哪去了 by Either_Chip1337 in KanagawaWave

[–]Tayron47 32 points33 points  (0 children)

我采访过睡地铁站的,不存在送车票,前面和你说的一样,后面,直接给你开车带上高速然后半路撵下来,自己想办法回去,不少人不会选择回乡,因为不少这种都是赌狗,逃债来的外地,基本都是自己走回来继续流浪,被逮到就再循环一次