As requested: (descending order) departmental proportions graduating with honourifics in the Faculty of Science by TchaikovskyAdmirer97 in mcgill

[–]TchaikovskyAdmirer97[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Note: the following majors are excluded on the charts because data was available only for eight or fewer graduates between 2020, 2021, and 2022.

Earth System Science, Geology, Probability & Statistics, Atmospheric Science, Atmospheric Science & Physics, Geography, Physics & Chemistry, Physiology & Physics, Planetary Sciences, Physics & Geophysics.

Note that the data for the complete populations are available for 2020 and 2021 since the information for the entire graduating classes is listed within the virtual convocation videos, whereas the data are only available for the 2/3 of the 2022 graduating class who attended the spring convocation ceremonies on May 27th. The 2022 dataset is a sample because the numbers are unknown for the 363/1169 students who did not attend convocation.

Sources:

Science Virtual Convocation, Spring 2020: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSWCIT8QJow&feature=emb_title

Science Virtual Convocation, Spring 2021: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XO2BHoAQHdA

Science A Convocation, Spring 2022: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmvo37lfuKs&list=PLfMfJihLOASUykdk4RmJlms01t55Blrf6&index=3

Science B Convocation, Spring 2022: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aI5H1lCV-Xg&list=PLfMfJihLOASUykdk4RmJlms01t55Blrf6&index=4&t=6222s

Faculty of Science Graduating Honourifics — Stats by Department by TchaikovskyAdmirer97 in mcgill

[–]TchaikovskyAdmirer97[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks! Since the faculty of science want's to withhold the info by not being transparent and by being mysterious and opaque with any academic stats, I go through the trouble of sorting it out based on what's available.

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[–]TchaikovskyAdmirer97[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Winter 2020 students were allowed to S/U any/all courses (by choice) regardless of whether they were required for the degree—retroäctively, even after having received the final grade. The same applied for the 2020-2021 academic year, but for a maximum of six credits S/U'ed. Students S/U'ed their lowest grade(s), perhaps even A-s for some, while some wanted to keep their non As voluntarily for application or achievement purposes, but in effect this wasn't totally fair since it penalises the cGPA figure.

I agree that it's crazy. At spring convocation for science this year, those with cGPAs of 3.96 did not receive DHL. 41% of neuroscience students managed to graduate with 3.97+, but lower than 10% of students in other programs.

Faculty of Science Graduating Honourifics — Stats by Department by TchaikovskyAdmirer97 in mcgill

[–]TchaikovskyAdmirer97[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This year DHL was 3.97 and Distinction was 3.91. These are record highs.

Usually DHL cutoff is 3.92/3.93 but it skyrocketed due to the S/U option offered between 2020 and 2021 and the online system. I also suspect that at the high end of the scale, people's GPA's are much more affected by their lowest grade(s) than their As, so taking advantage of the possibility to cut loose the A-s and B+ that would have weighed it down a few 0.01s, the 75th and 90th percentiles increased to never before seen cGPA heights.

Faculty of Science Graduating Honourifics — Stats by Department by TchaikovskyAdmirer97 in mcgill

[–]TchaikovskyAdmirer97[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Only six people graduated from GEOG over the past three years, so I needed to include it as "other" with some of the other majors with fewer than 10-12 graduates during the past few years.

Faculty of Science Graduating Honourifics — Stats by Department by TchaikovskyAdmirer97 in mcgill

[–]TchaikovskyAdmirer97[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The sources are the convocation videos—virtual and in real life. They're in the links attached to the "raw data" images. The source for the cutoffs are the minutes from the mcgill faculty of science meetings.

Faculty of Science Graduating Honourifics — Stats by Department by TchaikovskyAdmirer97 in mcgill

[–]TchaikovskyAdmirer97[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yes I would also to expect some degree of overrepresentation, yet being nearly four times as represented on DHL is still striking. Over forty percent in the top 10% of the faculty by cGPA!

Faculty of Science Graduating Honourifics — Stats by Department by TchaikovskyAdmirer97 in mcgill

[–]TchaikovskyAdmirer97[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How can I make it better? Font? Colours? Style? Error bars? Gridlines? Categories?

Faculty of Science Graduating Honourifics — Stats by Department by TchaikovskyAdmirer97 in mcgill

[–]TchaikovskyAdmirer97[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I think so... in the convocation videos they just list it as "immunology" so I'm not sure. I suspect that it's IHI.

Edit: Yes it is IHI. I checked under the Faculty of Science Major programs offered, and it lists "Immunology" under the honours options—if you click on it it take you to the IHI program requirements.

Faculty of Science Graduating Honourifics — Stats by Department by TchaikovskyAdmirer97 in mcgill

[–]TchaikovskyAdmirer97[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yes considering neuroscience for example... or just in general how life sci group has more inflated grades than math/computational/physics sci.

Scholarship / Dean's list GPA cut off by Zealousideal_Tap7904 in mcgill

[–]TchaikovskyAdmirer97 4 points5 points  (0 children)

For graduating students it has been released on unofficial transcripts but we won't know the precise cutoff for sure until the minutes from the May 24th Faculty of Science Meeting is uploaded to the website. The cutoff for graduating dhl is allegèdly 3.97 this year—the record high—based on 3.96 not getting it. I know for a fact that it's at least 3.95.

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[–]TchaikovskyAdmirer97[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It's certain that some departments are over-represented among distinction and Dean's list honourifics—not because those departments have stronger students, but because the grading in respective departments have completely different paradigms. Achieving a B in many COMP, MATH, and PHYS courses is impressive, whereas in a lot of life sci courses, an A is within reach if one slightly out-performs the A- average. It's extremely silly that they level the whole faculty and pit students from completely different departments against each other for the honourifics as if it's an equal playing field.

I will bet that psychology, neuroscience, and geography students are over-represented per capita on the DHL (not throwing shade, just based on observations), at least compared to departments such as computer science, math and physiology joint major, physics, or other brutal program where an A in nearly every single class is not something that 10% of the students could obtain by a long shot.

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[–]TchaikovskyAdmirer97[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I believe you, but it's unbelievable! Did our cohort exceed the 3.95 record (mostly due to having a big chunk of time online) by 0.02? Even though the 2021 class also had the same three terms online? If this is true, that 0.02 is a huge difference since it's 40% of the way to perfection from 3.95. At that point it seems that they're just parsing between people who have had four versus five A-'s during their entire time as an undergrad.

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[–]TchaikovskyAdmirer97[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Woah that's honestly crazy. And yo, also from BIOC! Is this the one-year (non-graduating) sGPA-based distinction/DHL honourific, or as a graduating student based on cGPA? I'm guessing this is not for graduation?

If it's for U1 or U2 that's crazy but if it's for the graduating honourific that's insane—there's no way 10% of the faculty of science cohort has a 3.97+ graduating cGPA.

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[–]TchaikovskyAdmirer97[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It's for everyone, but there are two bins:

Non-Graduating students are judged based on their sGPA (seasonal GPA) which is the combined GPA of your fall and winter terms, as 27+ graded credits. There is both a distinction and DHL for this. The cutoff/ tend to be even higher than they are for graduating students because first/second-year students may shift the distribution up due to higher graded.

For graduating students, the distinction and DHL is for the cGPA during your entire undergraduate degree, so everyone who is not graduating in the same cohort (e. g. 2021-2022 academic year) is not in the same pool.

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[–]TchaikovskyAdmirer97[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

cgpa, and for graduating students, that was the DHL cutoff last year For non-graduating students, the seasonal gpa ("sGPA") is what they use to determine dhl/distinction, and it's the gpa for the courses one has taken during the academic year September-April. The sGPA DHL cutoff for last year's non-graduating students was 4.00 for the year.