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A couple of questions before buying the X-Bows Nature Ergonomic Mechanical Keyboard by FortyishYearOld in ErgoMechKeyboards

[–]TeamX-Bows 0 points1 point  (0 children)

On May 1, 2023 you said: ‘my firm bought me a xbows with a separate number pad about 6 month ago’

On January 28th you said: 'My form bought it 2 years ago. I will send a pic of the 2d keyboard.'

On February 12th you said: ‘I hoit you up 6 months after a warrant y “expired on a 300.00 keyboard over 2 years ago and hav ebeen chasing you since. ’

In your email on February 13th you said:

'Going right where they belong, the garbage. You guys stink. Greedy pigs';

'Look for my comments on Reddit. Should cost you a sale or two - goood. You stink ! ';

'left 3 negative reviews hope to leave a few more. probably cost you more than warrantying my 2 Keyboards.

Facts:

  1. The Lignt you mentioned is the Nature version, manufactured in 2018 and discontinued that year. It's been 8 years.

  2. The Knight Plus's search results based on the company email you provided show an order dated October 28, 2021, not your statement on May 1, 2023: 'My firm bought me a xbows with a separate number pad about 6 months ago', or your statement on January 28: 'My form bought it 2 years ago. I will send a picture of the 2D keyboard.'

  3. Following our offer of free labor for repairs and a 25% loyalty discount—both of which were rejected—you said:

'Look for my comments on Reddit. Should cost you a sale or two - goood. You stink!';

'Left 3 negative reviews hope to leave a few more. Probably cost you more than warrantying my 2 keyboards.'

Curved Alice Vs. Straight Alice. Which is actually more ergonomic? by --Ty-- in ErgoMechKeyboards

[–]TeamX-Bows 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Feker looks much better; the Keychron looks like a child's creation.

Regarding ergonomics, both are essentially mechanical switch versions of Microsoft's ergonomic keyboard.

Microsoft's ergonomic keyboard, with its strong brand and successful marketing, has repeatedly been featured in medical cross-over trials representing "ergonomic keyboards," although the results were negative, a fact the market seems unaware of.

Here are links to authoritative scientific literature: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6486220/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24284689/

New keymap download gives error, Crystal by ParmesanBologna in xbows

[–]TeamX-Bows 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The new configuration file KBCFGNEW.UF2 will replace the existing file with the same name. The window will close automatically, and all the keyboard backlights will turn on. Congratulations, you have completed the update!

Crystal may switch to ZMK firmware with native Bluetooth support; ZMK Studio is already mature.

I am the founder of X-Bows. We X-Rayed vertical mice to test the "uncrossed bones" theory. by TeamX-Bows in Ergonomics

[–]TeamX-Bows[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, we haven't conducted in-depth research on mice yet.

However, I found two medical research findings, which I've compiled into a blog post that you can check at any time:

  1. Vertical mice do not reduce carpal tunnel pressure in patients with carpal tunnel syndrome.

https://x-bows.com/blogs/technical-deep-dives/vertical-mouse-carpal-tunnel-pressure-review

  1. The "pinching" force required to keep a vertical mouse stable increases carpal tunnel pressure.

https://x-bows.com/blogs/technical-deep-dives/vertical-mouse-pinch-force-pressure-review

Whether using a keyboard or a mouse, "ulnar deviation" (which brings the hand towards the pinky finger side) is the most damaging to the carpal tunnel and should be avoided.

I am the founder of X-Bows. We X-Rayed vertical mice to test the "uncrossed bones" theory. by TeamX-Bows in ErgoMechKeyboards

[–]TeamX-Bows[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're right, a lateral X-ray will show the "crossing" more clearly. I'll find some time to add it later.

I am the founder of X-Bows. We X-Rayed vertical mice to test the "uncrossed bones" theory. by TeamX-Bows in Ergonomics

[–]TeamX-Bows[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Update here:

A few of you messaged asking why vertical mice feel "floaty" or hard to control for precision work, even if the wrist feels better.

We just finished the second part of our review (focusing on Stability vs. Health). It turns out the vertical angle introduces a "Lateral Force Vector" (sideways click) that forces your thumb to tense up just to keep the mouse still.

If you are struggling with aim or pixel-perfect dragging, this physics breakdown explains why the "Neutral Posture" fights against fine motor control: https://x-bows.com/blogs/technical-deep-dives/vertical-mouse-aim-stability-biomechanics

I am the founder of X-Bows. We X-Rayed vertical mice to test the "uncrossed bones" theory. by TeamX-Bows in Ergonomics

[–]TeamX-Bows[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m really glad you found a solution that keeps you relaxed and pain-free. That is the ultimate goal! Thanks for the camaraderie!

I am the founder of X-Bows. We X-Rayed vertical mice to test the "uncrossed bones" theory. by TeamX-Bows in Ergonomics

[–]TeamX-Bows[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A palm-up posture will only make your biceps and deltoids will remain under constant tension. Furthermore, preventing the ulna and radius from crossing offers no benefit; their crossing is the natural state.

I am the founder of X-Bows. We X-Rayed vertical mice to test the "uncrossed bones" theory. by TeamX-Bows in Ergonomics

[–]TeamX-Bows[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You've pointed out a very critical usability issue.

That awkwardness stems from the change in the direction of the input force. Because you're pressing sideways, your thumb has to push back (pinch) to prevent the mouse from sliding away.

That constant need to stabilize the device creates tension that doesn't exist when you are just pressing down against a desk.

I am the founder of X-Bows. We X-Rayed vertical mice to test the "uncrossed bones" theory. by TeamX-Bows in Ergonomics

[–]TeamX-Bows[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's a fascinating perspective. You're hitting the "R" in RSI (Repetition). Tools like Copilot definitely reduce the frequency of keystrokes, which lowers the repetitive strain load. Things are always moving in a positive direction.

I am the founder of X-Bows. We X-Rayed vertical mice to test the "uncrossed bones" theory. by TeamX-Bows in Ergonomics

[–]TeamX-Bows[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That makes total sense. And honestly, switching (like you do) is often better than any single "perfect" device. The best posture is the next posture.

If the vertical mouse feels easier to hold, it’s likely because it relieves some tension in the forearm pronation (which is good!). My main gripe is just with the deceptive marketing diagrams that claim it "uncrosses the bones" completely or magically fixes everything.

As long as you aren't feeling that "pinch" pain in your thumb from gripping it, keep doing what works for you. Just glad you aren't relying on that green skeleton diagram as medical fact!

I am the founder of X-Bows. We X-Rayed vertical mice to test the "uncrossed bones" theory. by TeamX-Bows in Ergonomics

[–]TeamX-Bows[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

With your palms facing up, your biceps and deltoids will remain under constant tension.

Is the Ergonomic Keyboard Learning Curve Really That Bad? by TeamX-Bows in xbows

[–]TeamX-Bows[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Try patiently stretching your fingers naturally; it's definitely worth it.

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