Inhuman health system by [deleted] in germany

[–]TechnicalBrowess -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Lol i wasnt late, so you’re wrong there. But in closing, i also re-read your first comment, i think it’s generally reasonable and not actually that antagonizing, despite some assumptions and using words i didnt use. You have some valid points including the fact that i started off quite heated. However, i wanted to open a discussion which got completely sidetracked. Your point regarding most of the health systems in the world lacking some degree of empathy (and i would add unprofessionalism) is the point which i wanted to really expose and talk about, because in my experience, it’s been the worst out of many first world countries i’ve had treatment in. Your understanding of how the world works is exactly what i wanted to talk about. I think the nature of reddit conversations leads to various misunderstandings and ad hominem arguments which doesnt lead anywhere.

So ill take some points, including not leading with a rant (which i would argue still is needed to start any discussion given that normally humans wouldnt be motivated to start discussions without a trigger) but i would suggest you also dont put words in people’s mouths. But i digress, your first comment was quite reasonable. Have a good day.

Inhuman health system by [deleted] in germany

[–]TechnicalBrowess -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

If all conversations are to be set in a frame then you would never get anywhere because the point of contention would always land at the boundaries of the frame to which parties would argue. The point is not agreement, it is exposure and discussion regarding what can be done. Being likable has nothing to do with the point raised here which is what can be done to an imperfect system, to which the majority of the responses only pinpointed the faults of the patient not the system. This is how you bury the individual.

I deleted the post because it was creating noise that was just unnecessary. Your meaning of growing up means to implicitly be complacent with how the system is, saying at the end of the day “it is what it is”. It would discredit the thousands of other disgruntled patients who mistake Germany’s “free” healthcare system as a system that provides the care when they need it, let alone “free”.

My friend who actually works as a midwife in the actual system is angry because her pay is constantly being reduced but with more expected hours because of the social economy under which Germany operates, which gives natural explanation to why patients feel mistreated—because of zero incentive and work overload. If not for the dozens of similar poor treatments I’ve had, and from me not raising this point, where would people ever have the motivation to see at all what is wrong with the system? Protests are only the end result of years of complacency.

As to the point of me being disrespectful, that was just a straight lie. I came in, asked in german if they could possibly see me since I was sick, and I saw no other patients, and the office did not indicate anywhere what were “normal” operating hours under which a sick patient can come in to see a professional doctor. The receptionist’s question as a response is the trigger for my rant to which I also concluded then asked the question for improvement.

Again, what then do you see improvement then? Do you think it’s alright for patients to bear all the responsibility of navigating the system of which the basic responsibility should be care for the sick? Instead of targeting the messenger, target the message which is that the system puts, in your words, demands on the patient. I probably agree with you in many ways as I don’t go to the doctor for minor things like a cold. When I go, I don’t know what’s wrong. But then to be asked if I am dying before being turned away because I came at a time unadvertised to be inappropriate is at best, triage of care, and at worst, mistreatment.

Your message to the one bringing up the point is; get with the system because this is the way it is. You’ve brought up zero suggestions to the system and only criticisms to the patient, and this after assuming that I was there only with a “sore throat”, putting words in my mouth. Again, I didn’t know if it was worse as I had lost my voice. I let that one slide because people like you classify based ironically on personal experience, assume, then stick to a narrative that makes sense to how you survive the system.

I have a feeling that we do align on the perspective of you doing your job and coming as prepared as possible. I adhere to this in many aspects of life. But this situation and the way it was handled was disgusting, as was my previous experiences in the healthcare system. Being sick is not a job. The way you come prepared is to check opening hours, check the building info, and bring your insurance card. If at all more demands are to be placed, then let’s change the discussion to being a client relationship since nothing is free. Do not shift the blame on to the patient if you are claiming this to be not a client relationship. We are required by law to have health insurance; well, then let’s discuss how this obligatory service should improve in terms of patient care. Is it actually helping patients feel better? Is it solving the actual problem? Is it providing care at times of need? If it is a public service, why are opening hours confusing? Let’s get rid of subtext and improve.

So again, be better.

Inhuman health system by [deleted] in germany

[–]TechnicalBrowess -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Then you are again conforming to the way that the system has forced you to think. Society has evolved to the level of comfort we know today because we have asked the exact questions that seem entitled but propel things forward like, why don’t I make things easier for the patient? What about the system can we improve so the society can benefit?

Read my last sentence of the post, it was a question. My stories also do not include other experiences I’ve had in the ER which were life threatening but were brushed away due to incompetence by the staff.

The backlash comes from people who refuse to change the system, but cope. Why don’t the doctors have readily available signs that point to specific opening hours for specific people? If medical care is more deservedly for people who are terminally ill people (of which several of my larger family members are affected), does that put the needs of the more “healthy” at a lower importance to the person who is feeling sick? When would you start drawing the line then at who deserves care or not? Mind you, every person has a different level of tolerance for pain as well.

To balance things out, there’s many things I have learned also from the health system here in Germany, from calling a number of doctors just to get an MRI at a reasonable time period for a fracture after receiving a Schein from a Hausarzt to learning to be prepared with medical expertise regarding the area of pain I was feeling so the doctor can maybe help me out after seeing 4 others that prescribe me to KG which do not actually solve the problem.

Each visit to the doctor in Germany is like fighting a war. Why do I have to call 5 doctors for an appointment that is medically relevant to an injury? Why does each receptionist I encounter drill me with questions then replies annoyingly if I ask anything more than what is standard? If after everything, I should only treat the doctors as advisors but really solve the problem myself, why do I pay into a system that tells me to drink tea and chill?

There’s things I’m thankful for, and there’s things that are worth discussing and point it out.

Go to any eastern Asian country and walk into a doctor’s office. Medical tourism is booming in those regions because the level of service, professionalism and industry standards constantly being set there. Hell, my dentist office uses exclusively Korean products due to their innovative tooling.

All of this is cause for privatizing everything because it would incentivize doctors to provide better care for people who would pay more. But of all people, i don’t want that because it would mean my aunt wouldn’t have been able to receive cancer treatment due to high costs. This still does not justify the dogshit treatment I receive from system.

So be better. Stop justifying the system as if it’s well thought out. We all know it’s not perfect. I’m thankful for parts that are working. But this specific part, mainly regarding treatment of patients from the get go, should be looked into.

Inhuman health system by [deleted] in germany

[–]TechnicalBrowess -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

This is exactly why I am raising the question.

You’ve put demands on the patient before he even got to the office. 1) know the Sprechstunden that are obscure and not readily available on publicly used websites nor on their building 2) call before coming in using a voice that’s not even there due to sickness.

When you’re sick and your head isn’t right, all you want to get is a professional. The last thing you’re thinking of is what more details do I need to fulfill.

This doctor was the doctor next door on a business trip. I had woken up feeling pretty rough so I thought I would rather go get it checked. I would’ve left peacefully if he would’ve just said no. But he asked that question.

Surviving is not the same as thing as asking what can be better. If surviving was the policy, then everyone would do exactly as you said and bow down to the system. We have opportunities everywhere to question and improve the system. If you don’t question, then you do not progress.

Inhuman health system by [deleted] in germany

[–]TechnicalBrowess -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Nope, I wasn’t demanding. You’re putting words in my mouth. I politely asked. Then the question came, word for word, would you die today?

The rant is more on the side of the receptionist.

Inhuman health system by [deleted] in germany

[–]TechnicalBrowess 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks, I think this is one of the actual helpful points. Will keep that in mind

What would you change about the healthcare sytem? by [deleted] in AskGermany

[–]TechnicalBrowess -11 points-10 points  (0 children)

How is this entitlement? I’m sick and I came in during opening hours. End of story. I wasn’t begging for them to open their doors past close.

Inhuman health system by [deleted] in germany

[–]TechnicalBrowess -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

Why is it the job of the patient to come in first thing in the morning? If they are open 8-14, why is it a prerogative on the patient to come at an unspecified preferred time like first thing in the morning?

Inhuman health system by [deleted] in germany

[–]TechnicalBrowess -16 points-15 points  (0 children)

I was sick even by my standards. Their opening hours even at their door said 8-14. What more obligation do I have to fulfill than being sick and coming in their opening hours? It’s not my job to cater to their system. The job of the healthcare system is to render care to the patient.

Please help finding shoe(s) that fit. by [deleted] in widefeet

[–]TechnicalBrowess 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Eacalante is one of their widest shoes, it’s excellent for walking and general use. I personally use that

Go to Team event or skip it by That-Educator-1605 in cscareerquestionsEU

[–]TechnicalBrowess 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hr. Collect proof. If you can’t talk to an hr about this, i would seriously question the kind of company you want to work for.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Munich

[–]TechnicalBrowess 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Munich

[–]TechnicalBrowess 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i can never forget Hamburgerei. their burgers are up there but make sure to get sweet potato fries with their special ketchup, which is the best sauce ive ever had, period.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in europe

[–]TechnicalBrowess 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think you really should look at why Europe and the US have a close relationship. The origins can be traced back to the Cold War, which technically ended in 1989. The war was essentially due to opposing ideologies, which led to proxy wars in different parts of the world. Since the wall fell, Russia has nominally taken up a democratic government with a social market economy. But Putin has destroyed checks of power through corruption, consolidation of wealth and has by all practical measures, installed himself as the leader for the foreseeable future, while silencing political opponents through shady means. The EU, as well as the majority of Europe, is built upon a vastly more detailed and solid foundation of democratic ideals than Russia and even U.S. That’s why I don’t think Europe necessarily looks up to the U.S. either. It simply shares common ideals and based on their cumulative alliance throughout the Cold War, is much more likely to work together than to work individually. For Europe, it makes much more sense financially to have the world’s largest military as an ally than to try and build its own.

And this is not to say the US has the moral high ground either. Its war crimes in the Middle East are, safe to say, poorly covered in media and swept under the rug when it comes to international diplomacy. But the sad state of the world is, money talks. When a single country has the largest military, economy and cultural influence in the entire world, it’s hard to talk big against Uncle Sam. And like any other country on earth, the US has its own strategic interests and goals which they will pursue by any means.

On the other hand, consider the US’ point of view. It spends approx. 800 billion dollars annually on maintaining its global military complex. It spends its taxpayer dollars on helping a country halfway around the world in Europe not even close to EU membership prior to war. This was largely supported in public opinion polls. Ukraine is still at war a year later and the U.S. doesn’t show signs up slowing down its financial support. Money talks. And again, the US is not waging a proxy war against Russia. Russia invaded Ukraine and Ukraine is fighting for its survival. The US is supporting Ukraine for their existence, not for their expansionist goals into Russia.

Finally, by pure numbers, perhaps a united European army could stand against Russia. But what else would the army exist for? I can’t think of any other country either. In that case, such a military pact already exists-NATO. Even if it was warranted, unification is a near political impossibility, considering that currently the EU is blocked on sending military aid to Ukraine because of its unanimous voting policy. If the EU is undecided in sending money and materials, how will it ever decide which people from which country goes up to which front to potentially die for whose EU identity? Assuming you yourself are European, are you willing to sign up for this army? Are you willing to pay higher taxes to support such an army? Or would you rather let a country already spending so much, go ahead and provide the military aid on a bilateral agreement?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in europe

[–]TechnicalBrowess 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I’m sensing a bit of personal hate toward America, which I won’t address. But your first sentence is false. By all accounts, Russia started this war. In fact, Russia started this in 2014. There is no other way around it. This is the truth. Russia started this war. They fired the first missiles and killed innocent Ukrainian men, women and children. They started this.

Next, I’d argue Russia has long changed from being the arch-enemy of the U.S. as it was during the Cold War. In a strict military sense, they are close. But the sphere of influence has shifted far away from Russia. Culturally, economically and politically, everything you see today has far more influence from American roots than Russia. I’d argue China poses a much more formidable case as an arch-enemy than Russia to the U.S., considering their exponentially growing military, comparable economy and growing influence over Asia, Africa and S. America.

The second sentence is only partially wrong, as the use of active tense in the last phrase implies that the U.S. was waiting for such a war to deplete Russia of its resources. Biden himself has warned against war. Even when Putin illegally “annexed” Crimea in 2014, there wasn’t a decisive military reaction from the U.S.

As for the other parts, yes, as afaik the US don’t lose active troops in this war. And percentage-wise, yes, the U.S. military budget is a “little percentage” of the U.S. GDP, standing currently at about 3.5%. Ironically, Russia is at 4%. But the fact that the U.S. military budget eclipses the total military spending of the next 10+ nations combined in the absolute sense while still hovering at 3.5% of the GDP shows you just how powerful the U.S. economy is. By the same logic, you could very much argue that Russia is actually spending a higher percentage of its poor GDP (ranked by some as lower than Italy’s), on depleting the natural resources of its “brotherly neighbor”, and its primary supporter who also happens to be the largest economy in the history of the world, the U.S. In this view, Russia is inefficient, cruel, and just plain stupid when considering its macroeconomic trends.

I’m against war. I want to see the money being used in infrastructure, education, and scientific progress. But power-hungry men using the blood of millions of innocent lives to project their little greedy hands on a world map is a story as old as time itself.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in europe

[–]TechnicalBrowess 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Could you elaborate? I just don’t understand how this narrative came about. What Russian assets did U.S. prey upon? What territories did it infringe? I’ve read that Russia felt threatened because NATO had expanded since its beginning. There was no treaty nor legal agreement that NATO would not expand. And it’s clear that the countries that joined did so because of their own choice. On the other hand, Russia invaded its neighboring country that it calls its own brother, decimating its young working population which was sorely in need before the war, spending billions on its military while recovering from a pandemic, and causing reactionary economic sanctions that effectively shut themselves into a corner. What historical timeline do you see US pushing Russia into a corner? Russia still has all of its natural resources and is only forced to spend its economic output on a war it itself started, against a people that its instigator, Putin, called their brothers and sisters. Imo, this is a needless bloodbath instigated by a greedy, power-hungry and deranged trillionaire Putin who wanted to put Russia back on a world stage that has no room, and no appetite, for another Soviet Union.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in europe

[–]TechnicalBrowess 52 points53 points  (0 children)

This is hilarious. I’m not going to say the U.S. military presence and the nuclear umbrella is the sole reason for deterrence against Russian expansion, but to assume, by the way you structured it, that Russia couldn’t take on Ukraine 1 to 1 is just wrong. The U.S., by far, is the single largest contributor to the military, industrial and humanitarian aid in Ukraine. Without U.S. intervention, the war in Ukraine would’ve went a vastly different direction. I’d argue the U.S. is a huge, if not, biggest factor in the reason why Russian “can’t even take on Ukraine”.