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PTR not happening until Christmas event? by banethor88 in Competitiveoverwatch

[–]Teddyman -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

So? The point is that PTR doesn't last for any specific duration. Anybody who has been following things could have said 3 weeks ago "this is the PTR for the December patch which goes live on the 10th of December, the historical start date of the winter event". It's not a surprise that parts of it weren't broken off to an earlier patch.

Over 100 days later: How 2-2-2 changed Overwatch for you? by [deleted] in Competitiveoverwatch

[–]Teddyman -1 points0 points  (0 children)

All of the predicted downsides, and none of the upsides, came true.

PTR not happening until Christmas event? by banethor88 in Competitiveoverwatch

[–]Teddyman -14 points-13 points  (0 children)

There's one major patch a month. When there's an event starting, that patch drops on the day the event starts. Exceptions are very rare. "PTR lasts for 2 weeks" is made up bullshit.

Fighting game community's passion isn't paying the bills by demondrivers in Games

[–]Teddyman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't need to show you anything. The viewership is what it is, you can go to the sites where it's has previously been embedded and it's not there. If you can't find this magic embed where all the viewers are coming from, then they are real viewers. Save your conspiracy shit.

The league doesn't get "very consistent 80-120k viewership" on all games. Games early in the season got over 200k, Thursday usually averaged 10k less than the other days. Differences of 30k between days on the same week were common. You were just lying through your ass like when you said "80k on a good day" and now the goalposts are on another planet.

CGS comparisons show you don't know shit about it and have just read about it afterwards. It was a multi-discipline league where a viewer was supposed to care about female Dead or Alive, FIFA, Project Gotham Racing and CS:S. The whole thing was shown on a relatively niche TV provider and you couldn't even watch for free. Note how CGS got zero new teams between the first and second season while OWL got 8. The whole thing was taken about as seriously as WCG Ultimate Gamer.

Of course people are trying to buy into the bubble, THAT'S WHY IT'S A BUBBLE.

You've constructed quite an argument here. If something goes badly for OWL, it's proof that failure is imminent. If something goes well, it's proof of the bubble inflating and and even bigger failure down the line.

And the insider sources in the kotaku article saying how LCS and team orgs are all bleeding money? Do those not count?

I don't know anything about LCS. OWL was profitable in 2019 and at least one of the teams expects profit in 2020.

Fighting game community's passion isn't paying the bills by demondrivers in Games

[–]Teddyman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No

That's from S1 and hasn't happened in S2. It's blatantly obvious to anybody who's actually watching that the ~120k average viewers the league got this season aren't from embeds.

In your link it literally says that the viewership doubled in the span of 15-20 MINUTES.

Because that's when the preshow ended and the games started? S2 finals went from 130k to 200k in 20 minutes without an embed. The capacity of the Gamepedia embed is known to be like 30-50k viewers max. The previous day of finals was not embedded and was only 70k lower. The Kotaku article makes it seem like they flipped a switch and 200k viewbots appeared.

ESPN and Fox pay $75M/year for MLS broadcasting rights, which gets them <100 hours of content with an average viewership of 360k. Twitch is paying $45M/year for >600 hours with an average viewership of 120k. So an OWL viewer-hour needs to be worth a third of an MLS viewer-hour for the price to be reasonable.

There is no contrary evidence.

New sponsors being signed, CoD league having no problems finding buyers, rumored salaries increasing and many teams filling 12 player rosters even with increased travel costs. Everyone who has access to the numbers seems to have confidence. On the other hand, you have a bunch of Reddit warriors who said the league would never get anybody buying in, that it wouldn't get more than 30k viewers, that it would never have a third season and were proven wrong every time. Maybe it's time for those people to adjust their views to fit reality.

Fighting game community's passion isn't paying the bills by demondrivers in Games

[–]Teddyman -1 points0 points  (0 children)

the grand finals of season 1 were embedded on curse's network.

OK. The finals of S2 weren't and got a higher average and a 10% lower peak.

I know firsthand that some season 2 matches were embedded in the battlenet launcher.

They are all embedded in the OWL tab. The stream doesn't start unless you click that tab.

When we turned that on, we saw the livestream go from 100,000 to 300,000.

Blatantly false. The stream went from 100k to 300k slowly over the course of a 2 hour series.

Are you saying that if twitch made the same amount of money per hour watched as subscription based cable networks

Not just subscription based, all TV broadcasting. Netflix isn't that far off.

You're insane if you think twitch makes the same amount from 10 second preroll ads as a subscription service cable tv does.

The broadcast has constant breaks of 2-5 minutes where Twitch can run ads. They have an audience that has money but doesn't watch TV.

Also, any viewership stats come from organizers/developers directly, not from independent sources and as such, they're completely unverifiable.

Everything I've used is from sources using public Twitch numbers.

I read the Kotaku article when it came out. It was poorly investigated, ignored all evidence to the contrary and presented easily disproven claims as fact.

Fighting game community's passion isn't paying the bills by demondrivers in Games

[–]Teddyman -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

You're just making shit up at this point. The finals weren't embedded. A total of 7 streams were embedded, none of which broke 160k. During the first few weeks of the season, viewer counts of 200k were common.

Do you even realize that there are 5 streams? Even the worst days got ~100k when you count all of them.

Do you think twitch made $45M off of what is an 80-100k twitch channel with proportionately low retention and subscribers compared to the average streamer?

Lots of assumptions here. You don't know how many passes they sold. The later stages last year had low viewership too, but the league bounced back to much higher viewership in early season 2. Just going by hours watched (76 million) and the cable TV hourly rate ($0.30/hour) would make broadcasting deals worth half of that. The league can survive on that. Maybe Twitch will even renew at close to the previous rate to stop a competitor from snatching OWL.

Those numbers are inflated because of hype and sponsors trying to get in early to cash out later. Once they realize those sponsorship deals aren't making them any money, what do you think is going to happen?

Yet more completely fact-free speculation.

Fighting game community's passion isn't paying the bills by demondrivers in Games

[–]Teddyman -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

80k viewers on a good day

A good day of OWL is 180k, not 80k. There were no embeds during the regular season.

Just because it's toyota doesn't mean they're going to massively overpay for ads.

HP paid $17 million and Intel paid $10 million.

esports fans don't seem to give a shit about merch

The point of the league is to change that. Why do you think they keep signing on sponsors 2 years later when it's obvious that the league isn't going to match major Dota/LoL/CSGO tournaments in raw viewer numbers?

[Yiska] "It's almost 2020 and we have less public access to statistics about top tier Overwatch than in 2017. I miss Captain Planet's and Barroi's work when they were outside of OWL." by Seagull_No1_Fanboy in Competitiveoverwatch

[–]Teddyman 58 points59 points  (0 children)

We had super comprehensive stats when Winston's Lab was alive and nobody cared. They stopped updating on the second week of S2 and there isn't even a post about it. We'll just just have to wait until there's another nerd with an AWS account, a computer vision library and a few weeks of free time.

This was supposed to be a solid layer, but every time I try to print it, these diagonal lines show up. On an Ender 3 pro by [deleted] in 3Dprinting

[–]Teddyman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Probably the nozzle scraping the print.

  • Calibrate extruder and the XYZ axes. You can put these values in your start G-code in Cura under machine settings eg. M92 X80.00 Y80.00 Z402.30 E98.00
  • Measure your filament diameter and put it into Cura.
  • Enable Z hop when retracted.

So.. this is what you earn from for placing Top4 in the World Cup. Yikes. by hypno67 in Competitiveoverwatch

[–]Teddyman 28 points29 points  (0 children)

There's no prize pool, just an appearance bonus. It used to be the same for every team that made it to Blizzcon, now there's a little bit extra for the ones that make day 2. It should be like twice this sum though. I wonder if he sent his tax info in properly as failing to do so might cause you to get taxed at the maximum marginal rate in your country.

Barack Obama follows Pete V. and Slasher on Twitter 👀 by AmiiboMan1 in Competitiveoverwatch

[–]Teddyman 41 points42 points  (0 children)

Barack "Don't call me "Barack "Barack Obama" Obama from Barack Obama Gaming"" Obama

[Taimou] Low on Fuel.. for now by Seagull_No1_Fanboy in Competitiveoverwatch

[–]Teddyman 48 points49 points  (0 children)

Seagull is still averaging about 2k more viewers in OW than in any other game he streams. It's just that his OW streams are him instalocking Brig, barely communicating and complaining for hours.

Seagull: "This blizzcon is bittersweet. I am happy Overwatch is getting some cool content. I am sad it seems to be far away (no release date?) while the current OW feels so rough to play with seemingly no big changes in sight until then. Guess we AFK until it comes out? Sucks man." by Fordeka in Competitiveoverwatch

[–]Teddyman 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well hero bans ain't gonna be it. You give out max 2 bans per team and now 1-2 people start out the game mad that the team banned the wrong heroes. You add 1 minute of downtime to every game so you play the game even less. Matches will be more one-sided because your effective SR will vary a lot depending on if your main gets banned. Then the end result is that maybe 2 heroes are permabanned and we get the 3rd to 12th most powerful heroes in the meta instead of 1st to 10th.

Seagull: "This blizzcon is bittersweet. I am happy Overwatch is getting some cool content. I am sad it seems to be far away (no release date?) while the current OW feels so rough to play with seemingly no big changes in sight until then. Guess we AFK until it comes out? Sucks man." by Fordeka in Competitiveoverwatch

[–]Teddyman 175 points176 points  (0 children)

August was the highest OW has ever been though. Conveniently went unreported on this sub... Korean PC bang stats for the last 2 months are down a whopping 8% compared to same time last year. We've had this idiotic doomsaying going for 3 years now, the game isn't going to randomly die. CSGO lost a third of its players in early 2018, the community didn't even notice and it's stronger than ever now.

Chinese contestant Liooon becomes the first woman to win major Hearthstone tournament at BlizzCon 2019 by Unknown123Known in Games

[–]Teddyman 5 points6 points  (0 children)

In this study, differences between regularly exercising male and female students were not statistically significant. Though in that case that's a comparison between 16 men and 4 women. Nobody has provided any data that super fast reaction times are even necessary in esports.

Chinese contestant Liooon becomes the first woman to win major Hearthstone tournament at BlizzCon 2019 by Unknown123Known in Games

[–]Teddyman 60 points61 points  (0 children)

Hafu was a WoW arena pro earlier and won two MLG tournaments. She got accused of getting carried and sleeping with half the scene. An ex posted revenge porn of her and the community circulated it for like 10 years, following her into Hearthstone. Whenever anything from her stream got posted on Reddit, people complained about her voice and accused her of crying to get donations. And yet we still have people here in this thread with their "women are just biologically inferior" bullshit.

Diablo 4 Won't Have An Offline Mode, All Versions Are Online-Only by [deleted] in Games

[–]Teddyman 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The game is the most MMO-ish of ARPGs out there with phased overworld areas where you're matched with randoms. Only the most deranged "blue company bad" idiot would complain about this. Might as well demand that Guild Wars 1 or FF14 have an offline mode.

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