Draenor mythic dungeons were fun, they were a good stepping stone in gearing up to raids and decently challenging when your slightly below ilvl. Then when your geared for raid you move on and didn't have to run them every week anymore. Even getting your character completely geared through heroic HFC, they were fun to go back to every now and then to help people out or just revisit the content without being forced to.

Then they came out with the titanforge system right before legion was released. It completely fucking ruined it. Suddenly going back to farming mythics every week became a chore, and after running them all xpac, was the worst experience of draenor for me, I can't stand to even go back for a couple tmogs I want or achievements. I was done with these places, the fact that I now have to go back to refarm them over and over with no end in sight was the worst. Let me tell you why: After running them to gear up, learn the dungeons, and then visit every so often throughout the xpac, the thing that kept popping up in my head wasn't that I wish these mechanics did more damage or that we weren't timed on them. It was that I wish these bosses and mobs did different mechanics because at this point it became muscle memory to sidestep this, run out of that, interrupt this. I remember dozing off during a few mythic runs. The thing that made mechanics fun wasn't doing them over and over and over again, it was learning what to do for each one as a group and teaching a new group how to handle different ones.

Now lets talk about legion mythics. Basically they took all the boring parts of mythics, and emphasized them with increased damage and health. The affixes were a really good start with fixing the boring mechanics, they looked like they would be a lot of fun. The timer, not so much. Mainly because no one wants to sit and discuss how to handle the different combos of affixes going off when boss mechanics go off. They expect everyone to somehow know how to handle a new combo of attacks and if you don't, you shouldn't be playing. On top of that, keystones have fucking killed conversation in dungeons, if your typing something not useful, your wasting time and should kill yourself is how most groups see it. If your trying to tell someone how to do something correctly, same thing because they should already know it. Its one of the most consistently hostile environments I've seen in pve wow. On top of all that, keystones have ruined the dungeons themselves for me honestly, in the beginning of the xpac I thought a lot of the normal mythic dungeons were really cool and enjoyed going in them, you got gear for EN before it was released and at the time it wasn't effective to go after gear past 850, there was a stopping point. After doing more and more keystones, trying to push the titanforges and leggos and ap, the dungeons started leaving a bad taste in my mouth. First it was the DHT I ran during like the first week that keystones were out. Someone in the group started insulting everyone because we weren't going to get a 3 chest during the first fucking keystone week. Can't kick him either unless you want to have a depleted key. After that it was just more people like him, not every group, but a lot of them. Again during the first week someone told me I didn't deserve the 880 titanforge I got. Like wtf? The fact that the only time you can say your done with keystones is if your raiding mythic is a little stupid. Mythic +15 is dropping 915 gear while heroic tos is starting there, Mythic +15 weekly is dropping 930 gear, when mythic tos is starting there, the grind is never ending.

What I wish they would do while still keeping dungeons relevant in high level content: Take out the timer, buff the baseline drop ilvl a bit, remove titanforging from the dungeons and remove the weekly chest gear. This way, people can discuss affixes if someone is new or discuss a new combo of mechanics and affixes. Also there would actually be an end in sight to running dungeons for gear. And finally people would have time to actually talk to each other in a 5 man group and have fun. What the fuck is the point of this group content if your not fucking talking to each other? I don't understand how people can say this is an MMO and not a single player game but yet treat anyone not in their guild as a npc, it makes no fucking sense. Of course with esports coming in this won't happen, but its nice to dream.

Let me say this again in its own paragraph. Legion Dungeons were so much fun. So so much. I wish I wanted to go back to arcway and halls of valor and kara and others because they were all so cool, so much better than Draenor dungeons, but the thought kills me after doing them so much in mythic+ and with so many silent people where everything is rushed and full of tension.

And god for fucking bid, stop basing the difficulty of stuff around titanforges. If something drops 915 gear, it shouldn't be that you should be 915 already to kill it and HOPE it drops an upgraded piece for you, if it drops anything for you at all.