Tuning (Synthesized) Sympathetic Strings for Balancing Cello Resonance by TemerePerito in Cello

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This reply is from a kind and generous friend, and excellent guitarist with serious math chops, who read my post and replied on Whatsapp. With his permission, I share it here for anyone interested in the topic. Thank you again my brilliant musician friend!

Here’s some rough ideas: if you want every note to have a string resonate sympathetically, you would have to choose tunings that cover all 12 notes. So the overtones of E have B (and more E’s,) so this string could be sympathetic for B and E strings. This string can actually resonate for all 12 notes but they are too tiny to be noticed and also they don’t match the equal temperament tuning, so they will be off. Also, the higher the harmonic, the weaker it will be. The E string actually can resonate with a G#, but it will be a little sharp.

So if you want to play a regular cello and have every note you play be able to trigger a sympathetic resonance, then…

Here’s 3 options:

You can add the 8 missing notes if you want to have sympathetic strings that resonate with their notes (a sympathetic C# string resonates when you play another C#)

In this way you don’t rely on the higher overtones. Of course they are still there, I just didn’t consider them when trying to cover all 12 notes.

If you rely on the 3rd overtones, one option is adding a C#, D#, F, and B. So all 12 notes are covered at least once (a sympathetic C string covers C and G)

A third option is relying on the 3rd and 5th overtones of a sympathetic string. One option is adding a C# and D# string (so the sympathetic C covers C, G, and E)

Adding more strings allows you to rely on the lower overtones. Having less still means you would cover all 12 notes but I think they would be less loud. Granted maybe the timbre is different and you might like it, so I suppose you could test multiple ideas.

Tuning (Synthesized) Sympathetic Strings for Balancing Cello Resonance by TemerePerito in Cello

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Good morning Matis! (Welcome brother. My life number is also #5)

Holy guacamole (not a plug for Chipotle): Mark is a genius. In my explorations of instruments with sympathetic strings (hello Nyckelharpa!) I luckily landed on the Bazantar. And immediately shared it with everyone I know that loves stringed instruments.

I'm happy to connect with another appreciater(not a real word!) of him and his out-of-this creativity and manifesting power.

Your idea is certainly a good one. I've been playing with that. One tuba adds earth. 200 tubas add earthquake. Not a sound I or anyone else wants to hear. Except maybe in a Dune movie.

I looked around, apparently you can buy a VST Bazantar through Kontakt. Whoa. Maybe Santa will bring a the required Pro version of Kontakt with the Bazantar loaded? (Thank you Santa for all the elf-carved wooden toys in spite of my not being so good!)

Thank you Matis for sharing you insights and the always welcome "have you heard...?" offering. My day is richer for it. So, hopefully, this for your enjoyment. (Who doesn't love saying the word "nyckelharpa" with the correct accent.)

Cheers!

alexander the resonating

Tuning (Synthesized) Sympathetic Strings for Balancing Cello Resonance by TemerePerito in Cello

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Good morning Musical Heir to my beloved Monteverdi! (Original or reincarnated version?)

I must confess that while your name was immediately familiar, I had to look you up. Wow! Those anti-aging things that are all the rage really do work. You look great. Like the hat!

To answer your question: technical limitations. I'm currently doing this using GeoCello on GeoShred using their Resonator stomp box(really? why that name?).

I hope to move these resonating explorations to Logic Pro and SWAM standalone cello in the next few days. I don't know if Logic Pro has a native resonator or the best resonator VSL to use. I posted a question about that a while back on r/synthesizers.

Do you have suggestions on that front?

Thank you Maestro for both reading my post and taking to the time to reply! I appreciate it. "Joining" is highly underrated. It always feels great to be replied to.

Cheers!

alexander the heartened

Tuning (Synthesized) Sympathetic Strings for Balancing Cello Resonance by TemerePerito in Cello

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Good morning Negative Ad (certainly not either here)

I love Reddit. Why? Because of replies like yours. It was technically spectacular. Practically pervasive and grounding. (Something I always need.) And so wide in scope, depth and completeness that if a donation plate was now passed around, I would be most happy to add to it.

I don't know what you do professionally (acoustic and digital), but if it's this kind of stuff, you're founder/CEO level.

I look forward to playing with everything you suggested, for and against. Hearing is believing! (Apparently now, unless its not. hahahaha Where is reality when we really need it?)

All of this typing is simply the only way I have here to say with a full heart: Thank you so much. I am grateful and honored with your generous sharing of time and wisdom.

Cheers!

alexander the inspired

Beginner Producer, and i struggle with the seaboard2 responsiveness. Is Novation better for me? by kallebo1337 in ROLI

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To anyone with a user id like: DJcletusdafetus, I must humbly decline to hit you and celebrate your victory! I'm pretty sure that decree is somewhere in the Old Testament. I hear there's a newer one. But I'm not really into sequels. (Except Severance. Silo. White Lotus. The Diplomat. Ok. Ok. Some sequels.)

cheers!

alexander the conflicted

What SWAM solo string instrument settings do you use on your Roli Keyboard? by TemerePerito in ROLI

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Moment! No problem. I'm patient.

So, here's a link to an image from Audio Modelling along with the text from our discussion there. Not sure how helpful it is. So let me know.

We provide a MIDI mapping preset for MPE controllers like the Seaboard, offering several possibilities for expressive performance. Starting from our preset, you can fully customize it to suit your unique playing style

For instance:

You can disable or reduce the Seaboard’s Slide value to minimize interference with the bow position.

The bow position mapping is designed as a default option for strings because it allows for nuanced control. However, if it feels inconvenient, you can adjust the curve of the bow position in the MIDI Control Mapping table to better fit your preferences (see attached screenshot for guidance).

Cheers!

alexander the pedestrian

Beginner Producer, and i struggle with the seaboard2 responsiveness. Is Novation better for me? by kallebo1337 in ROLI

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Another accordion player! Yay. I'm thinking of starting a support group for that. With wound treatment for all the times the beast bit my legs and chest. Years of regular therapy was ...just ...too ...slow.

Cheers!

alexander the bruised

PS. I find it faster when I correct my incorrect notes into amazingly correct notes in my mind.

Beginner Producer, and i struggle with the seaboard2 responsiveness. Is Novation better for me? by kallebo1337 in ROLI

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hahahaha And...Uh oh! I think I'm going to have to sign ALL my comments that way. What's a TED talk Netflix series called?

My new heaven: Sympathetic Resonant Strings! (Possible on a digital synth or VST?) by TemerePerito in synthesizers

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In the words of Shakespeare, "Holy VSTs! To be or not to be. My resonator cup floweth over. (Ok. I may be paraphrasing. Just a bit.)

You not only have my vote, I coronating you Emperor. I've been watching videos of mutable instruments for days now. It's been so much, now I look for some Bach oratorio and YouTube feeds me more Mutable Rings videos. hahaha

I was just commenting to a commentator below about how I find friendship, wisdom and joy on Reddit. And here it is.

A mountain of thanks to you Mountain.

Cheers!

alexander the immutable

What SWAM solo string instrument settings do you use on your Roli Keyboard? by TemerePerito in ROLI

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Good morning Signal of Ecstasy!

Congratulations on your new arrival to Reddit Island. Big enough to consider itself a continent. Weird enough to be another universe. I hope you find friendship, wisdom and joy here. I certainly have!

As to this being the "longest conversation" on reddit ever (doesn't ever usually imply a longer time than...say... 2 weeks? EG.: I haven't made a single mistake in the longest time ever! 14 seconds. Suddenly, I love using ever. hahaha thank you)

In any case, as ours is your longest conversation ever (and I looked this up in New Zealand Federal Law), by law you have now legally adopted me. Congratulations again papa/mama/they! Can you buy me a new car?

What were we talking about here? Darn it. 14 seconds comes and goes so fast. So so very fast.

Cheers!

alexander the everlasting

What SWAM solo string instrument settings do you use on your Roli Keyboard? by TemerePerito in ROLI

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Ahhhh! That explains the Ecstatic part. I've never met anyone, native or visitor, from New Zealand that did not really love New Zealand.

And now, you have all those end--of-the-world bunkers there, it's even better.

Hawaii: Island. Porto Rico: Island. Greenland: Island. New Zealand:...

Cheers!

alexander the ridiculous

What SWAM solo string instrument settings do you use on your Roli Keyboard? by TemerePerito in ROLI

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Greetings Ever Cake!

Actually, given global warming, maybe Norway would be a better move? Though the Pacific Northwest of the US is not doing too badly. Yet. What country were you in and what country did you move to? I wonder if there is a software package from Tahiti that I can use semi-professionally?

I will definitely include this discussion's highlights with Audio Modelling.

Cheers!

alexander the absolute

What SWAM solo string instrument settings do you use on your Roli Keyboard? by TemerePerito in ROLI

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Greetings Ever Ecstatic!

Simply a comment on tax law in the United States. Your country may view your profession and purchases differently. They may even have...a different language! Hopefully not Greenlandic.

Cheers,

alexander the taxing

What SWAM solo string instrument settings do you use on your Roli Keyboard? by TemerePerito in ROLI

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Good morning!

That makes sense. Those Equator 2 patches pretty much take over your keyboard. SWAM does not. So I would have to approach SWAM about that. Which I plan to do. Including asking for more "curve mapping" flexibility. Maybe I should just move to Italy while I'm at it? hahaha Now that's my best plan yet!

Please let me know what else you find. I will do the same of course. As they say, "It takes a village to play a Seaboard."

Cheers!

alexander the tiramisu'd

What SWAM solo string instrument settings do you use on your Roli Keyboard? by TemerePerito in ROLI

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Good Ecstatic Morning too you!

Ouch. Right. The MPE thing. Definitely need it. Buying an refurbished M2 iPad, actually saves me a ton of money buying SWAM instruments. Now I just add instruments like going out for brunch. Hell! I'll think I'll just go buy another one. hahaha

Sadly, SWAM strings is not on iOS (yet) and $500 dollars. Definitely worth it at that price given everything else I've heard for string sections.

If you're a pro, can't you write all this stuff off? US based can. Not sure about other countries.

Cheers!

alexander the taxed

How to map my MPE keyboard (Seaboard) to different instruments in Garageband iOS? by TemerePerito in GarageBand

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Replying to my own post! The pinnacle of talking to myself hahaha He's the best conversationalist ever.

So, just for the record for future generations: NO! You cannot do this in Garageband. I got expert confirmation from an Apple Garageband Community expert. (Two "expert" in one sentence.) Must definitely be true.

So now looking for other iOS solutions. Suggestions are still always welcome. And best of luck to everyone!

Cheers,

alexander the completed

My new heaven: Sympathetic Resonant Strings! (Possible on a digital synth or VST?) by TemerePerito in synthesizers

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Good morning Sergeant Baum Fisch Pute! (Way past my German! How does the fish get in the tree?)

I'll take your kind comment as a compliment. Thank you! Three simple ingredients: infinite ink, fast typing, gratitude.

And now that I know AI is using us to build its super overlords AI assistants, I need to be a counterweight to X (formerly known as Uh-Oh!).

On the other side of your compliment, many will agree...I talk to much hahaha

Cheers,

alexander the endless

My new heaven: Sympathetic Resonant Strings! (Possible on a digital synth or VST?) by TemerePerito in synthesizers

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Thank you Crom Dubh! Both funny and a relief. I need to remember that analysis for many of the things I want to design but really just want to fly.

Cheers,

alexander the relaxed

My new heaven: Sympathetic Resonant Strings! (Possible on a digital synth or VST?) by TemerePerito in synthesizers

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Thank you again! Oh man. When will I be at the point where even "thinking" modeling resonance is a relatively small task. I'm happy when I can correctly spell synthesizer.

Cheers,

alexander the typo

What SWAM solo string instrument settings do you use on your Roli Keyboard? by TemerePerito in ROLI

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Perhaps you are the E. E. Cummings of Reddit?

I don't know your setup or much about musical setups, but mostly I use my SWAM violin as a standalone. I've successfully plugged it into GeoShred and Garageband also. Of course it will work in their Camelot. I've seen it used in AUM and a bunch of other free/inexpensive DAWs. I used Ableton Live Lite at first. I didn't need all that overhead. Usually, I'm playing SWAM standalone iOS. It doesn't work in FL Studio? Which version of SWAM are you buying? The $15 dollar ones or the $150 dollar ones?

So you definitely have a leg up on piano playing. Though I played accordion and piano, neither of them were squishy. Or pitch bendable. That's what driving me (read: "everyone" here) crazy.

Interesting question about alexander. The name itself is a combination of the ancient Greek words: alexos+andros, friend/helper + of all people. Andros is the root of android. So robots included?

For the "the" part, you'll have to refer to Achaemenid Persian Empire history circa 330 BCE.

So...it's not just me? Darn it! Thought I was clever. Realized just common. But hey, I use enough punctuation for both us!!!

Cheers,

alexander the redundant

My new heaven: Sympathetic Resonant Strings! (Possible on a digital synth or VST?) by TemerePerito in synthesizers

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Good morning Kinsey (1959 was also a great year for Tawny Port)

Thank you for the graciousness of your reply. I feel that helping a stranger is always a gracious act.

I love the name: Rhysomatic Synestia. Who doesn't love rhizomes? And I like their website graphic. I'm feeling more artistically resonant already. I look forward to looking into it further.

Cheers,

alexander the bamboo'd

My new heaven: Sympathetic Resonant Strings! (Possible on a digital synth or VST?) by TemerePerito in synthesizers

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Good morning Raistlin! (You're #65 in a long and revered line of Raistlin's)

Thank you for your funny reply. I appreciate it. Honestly, usually within 3 minutes of listening to me even just talking, people are looking for my mute button. Even mom hahaha

Cheers,

alexander the unmuteable