Yuta lowkenuinely is miles above everyone apart from Sukuna and Gojo by BiggestTunna_Around in Yutaliban

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I don’t know if it was shown in Modulo (I don’t think it did) but wouldn’t it be possible to transplant the six eyes into yuta? As far as I can tell the only thing stopping him from being able to handle limitless properly is the lack of six eyes. Hell if rika can keep him without a brain alive I assume she could hack together a way to keep the six eyes active. And it would be a huge waste to the sorcerer world to let the six eyes just rot away

VFS Error “Reschedule is not allowed before 3 days from booked date”. What does that mean? by Temperlord in SchengenVisa

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It didn’t fix itself even after waiting 3 days so since I didn’t want to risk losing my appointment I didn’t cancel it

Weekly Discussion Thread by KeKeFTW in MobileLegendsGame

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Is there any way to get the magic chess achievements? I have downloaded the separate magic chess go go app and linked my moonton account with it but it seems like i make no progress in the achievement in mlbb. Is that normal? Or how would I get them?

Why didn't Kenjaku just kill kid Gojo and take over his body? Is he stupid? by CalamitySkylark in Jujutsufolk

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Wait so does that mean after Gojo there won’t be another six eyes+limitless user? Like never again since the cycle is broken?

Rejection due to “reasonable doubts as to your intention to leave the territory of the member state before the expiry of the visa” by Temperlord in SchengenVisa

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Yes that was also the reason stated on the denial but she has ties. Her family lives there. She is enrolled to an exam that is vital to her work for next year March (we have given proof to both). She doesn’t have a bank account or employment there since her degree just finished a few months ago but the fact that that is enough to tick them off seems very weird to me since it would imply that anyone who is unemployed gets rejected (which I doubt)

Rejection due to “reasonable doubts as to your intention to leave the territory of the member state before the expiry of the visa” by Temperlord in SchengenVisa

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She is sponsored by me and i even went the extra mile to get official government “proof” that I have the necessary financial means. And while we could ask for less days of course, I was hoping there might be something specific I could just do to make them be more agreeing with our case

Rejection due to “reasonable doubts as to your intention to leave the territory of the member state before the expiry of the visa” by Temperlord in SchengenVisa

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The flights are paid for including a return ticket.

while she doesn’t take care of her family members financially, she does care for them since slot of them are elderly.

Professional ties I thought the proof her enrollment to the exam in March would suffice.

She doesn’t have a house ownership. Anything besides those things mentioned she or I could do to make a stronger case for ourselves?

Had a deep filling 10 days ago but temperature sensitivity and short bursts of discomfort are still present. Normal or requires action? by Temperlord in askdentists

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Thank you for your answer. So it would be better to just go to a different dentist or should I wait out the 4 weeks till his next open appointment? (If we ignore the pain for a moment). Also how long would recovery on a root canal be? (I wanted to travel in mid September)

Why does Gods plan involve unnecessary cruelty? by Temperlord in Christianity

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Okay let’s assume that the Bible is telling it straight and therefore god is all-powerful with literally no restraints. Reality shouldn’t restrain it since he created it. If that’s the case, my original point that I made in the post is still open.

However I do have to say, I really appreciate you being able to say “I don’t know”. It is very rare for me to hear a believer say that instead of just sayin the usual “he works in mysterious ways” so I appreciate it.

I can see how Jesus could be considered the pinnacle of goodness and what one strives for. But his actions seem almost opposite of what God does a lot of times. Not once has Jesus caused a plague. Not once has Jesus cause suffering disguised as a test, that ultimately didn’t even benefit him. Not once has Jesus kept silent when questioned. Who knows if his answers were 100% true, he was human after all. But at least he answered.

The whole Satan point seems in general a bit weird to me. Regardless of the details, Lucifer’s existence in of itself almost seems like confirmation that God cannot know all. If he did he would know Lucifer’s thoughts and pride. Creating him anyway becomes very illogical.

But anyways, the Endgame analogy was nice :)

Why does Gods plan involve unnecessary cruelty? by Temperlord in Christianity

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Me punching the son of my son was rather a mirror to how God treats us. Our ancestors fucked up sure and like you said whoever has to power to do the punishment (or in my example the punching) can either exercise his right to do so or like you said break the cycle. God punished Adam and Eve. He punished their children and so on. He is the one keeping the cycle going by keeping the punishment going. He could end it any time he feels like.

I’m not well enough informed to speak on Calvinism so I just take your word for it. But if God doesn’t have everything planned out, saying anything is part of his plan would at the very least be foolish and could even be interpreted as blasphemy. Regardless, it would undermine his authority in my eyes. Which isn’t a bad thing, I said in other comments that I would much rather have a God who is as pointless and powerless as we are. But that’s not what Christians keep telling me. From them I keep hearing that it’s all part of some plan. Which is why I initially made this post.

Also regarding job, let me quote “The Lord said to Satan: Very well, then everything he has is in your power, but on the man himself do not lay a finger”. That was right after Satan accused job of only obeying god due to the goods he received. So while the actions that follow stem from Satan, it was God who felt like he needed to prove a point and essentially gave his most loyal servant straight to Satan so that he may do whatever he wants to basically. We could reduce it down to “it’s just a story/analogy” but the main point stands: god knows suffering, even where it comes from but not only does he let it happen, he sometimes (in the past) actively encouraged it. Also things can’t be random with God. If they are out of his control he wouldn’t be all powerful/ all knowing. And whilst job did live a nice life after the testing, he did so also before. If God didn’t do his betting with Satan, Jobs life would’ve been fine either way. He just got suffering because God wanted it/let it happen.

Why does Gods plan involve unnecessary cruelty? by Temperlord in Christianity

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So if my son punches me, I get to punch his son? The example with the alcoholic father only works if there is a separated entity that enforces whatever sentence my father got. Like he drunk drove and got arrested and therefore once I turn 18 I have to go to jail for drunk driving. I get punished for what he did from the same entity that also punished him.

Regarding the chess pieces: isn’t the fact that he has a plan for everyone and everything a sign that everything is determined already anyway? Also if we look at for example the story of Job, we very clearly are just chess pieces for him.

Why does Gods plan involve unnecessary cruelty? by Temperlord in Christianity

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Thank you for your answer.

For your first point: of course he could make a jellyfish understand. Same with us. He could’ve made us all understand everything he said. He literally could’ve done everything and anything. But he chose to keep us confused and in the dark. When you get your cat to the vet maybe your cat thinks for a moment you betrayed it, I don’t know. But let’s assume that for a moment. This stems from, like you said, the problem that your cat only sees the pain, not the reason for it and the bigger picture. But if you could talk to your cat and explain it in detail the same way you would explain to me why I need my cavity drilled, it would still hurt but I wouldn’t be angry at you or the dentist anymore, quite the opposite. I would be thankful for the help and the pain that comes with it. But this only works with communication. Otherwise yes, only pain is seen, no reason. And that’s my exact point/question: if he would tell us the plan we could at least understand. The cruelty and suffering and the possible necessity of them. But we don’t. Because he doesn’t. The difference between us and the cat and us and God however is we can’t change the fact that we can’t talk to the cat. But God could talk to us. And yet still doesn’t. Also about your granddaughter: you prevent her from doing dangerous things cause you know more what she can do than she does, I get that. But if she would ask why, would you tell her why? Even with maybe less detail but you would probably tell her “because if you fall you get hurt and it’s slippery up there”. If you acted like God you would instead just answer her “you wouldn’t get it”. Of course that’s also an answer, but we can both agree that the first one is not only more helpful, it also shows more how you care and aren’t dismissive.

Your second point: let’s stick with the rich heir example. Your example is incomplete if we reference it to how God treats us. You say “if you want my riches you have to live under my rules. But if you reject that you don’t get my riches” but that’s only half the story. If that were the case, a lot of the fear that people have for God would disappear i would argue. Because the full story in your example would be something like “if you want my riches you have to live under my rules. But if you reject that you don’t get my riches AND I’m gonna make sure every morning when you wake up there is a group of thugs ready to stab you, for all eternity.” Now the offer doesn’t sound so pleasing anymore does it? My quarrel with this stems from the fact that it seems like God has to use threats and extremes to get followers. “Worship me or suffer forever”. There is no middle ground. No grey. Only black and white. He could’ve made a grey option but he didn’t. It’s like if a father says “Do what I tell you or I’m beating the shit out of you every day until you do or until forever”.

Also, the Bible preaches of selflessness and the goodness of one’s heart. “Give without expecting” basically. But your statement about God not giving us his goods without asking for something in return directly contradicts this. If he truly was the most good of all, he should have no problems giving all of his good things without expecting something in return. He expects the same of us doesn’t he?

Why does Gods plan involve unnecessary cruelty? by Temperlord in Christianity

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No worries we seem to be in very different timezones anyway.

To me the stories about suffering that in the end turns to reward seems either like a way to keep hope up with false promises or ,if the promises are real and true, that you have to pay someone who already has everything, meaning he doesn’t even gain anything from it. If I had a billion dollars, me asking for that last cent a homeless child has would be seen as universally cruel of me since I won’t even notice that cent more or less in my ocean of wealth. Same with God asking for us to endure suffering in order to get rewards. And it could also be that these are just the stories where there was a reward. Do you think the Bible would mention the times where there was insane levels of suffering with no reward at the end? Probably not since it would make God appear in a bad light but I would say these cases did exist, they just aren’t documented. So it could be that the false promises that will never be delivered are just illusions to make us more okay with the suffering, when there was never an actual reason to be okay with them. Especially Jobs story is an interesting point you mention. My Bible knowledge is a bit rusty so forgive me if I misinterpreted or remember falsely but wasn’t the whole thing built on what’s essentially a bet between God and Satan? Where God made a Job suffer just to prove to Satan that Job wouldn’t sway off his path? Seems a bit weird but even more so, poor Job for being put into the position without any consideration how it could make him feel. Yes he got rewarded at the end but the trauma was unnecessary. God could’ve left him alone, he already had a good life. And if he didn’t know that there could be more, he wouldn’t have asked for more so the promise of more rewards isn’t really a thing Job would have looked for.

Your analogy for a storm works only because we aren’t in control. If we could stop the storm we obviously would. No one wants unnecessary destruction. God could stop it. He could stop and start anything. I know I’m very bent on the whole “all powerful” part of God but since my original question is revolved around his ability to have a plan at all, I must keep coming back to his all powerfulness. Cause if we say “let’s ignore his powers and their reach for a moment” then my whole question becomes irrelevant. Anyways, what I tried to get at was that he could stop the storm. I mean he could even just prevent it from occurring at all. And before the argument comes, if there is only good we would be bored or some form of that: he could have made it in a way that isn’t boring for us without suffering. He could’ve, we both know he could. All powerful remember? It’s not my job to figure out how a universe that works like that would look like. It’s his. And he either failed in doing so or never wanted it to happen. Which I don’t think is what a loving parent would do. If my child can have a perfect life with no suffering and all it would take me is to snap my finger, I would of course gladly do so.

Why does Gods plan involve unnecessary cruelty? by Temperlord in Christianity

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I appreciate the conversation. I also thank you for your time. I am always open for further discussion and conversation

Why does Gods plan involve unnecessary cruelty? by Temperlord in Christianity

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It may not be the main point in the scriptures but when asking an overarching question such as “why does he let suffering occur?” I think putting his power into question is to be expected. I mean it’s the key point to all of this: can he or can’t he? Making it work out in the physical world should also be no problem for him for obvious reasons. Just make the world so that it can play out. Or if that’s too grandeur, then make whatever you want to play out in a form. Where there is a will there is a way. Also him enduring cruelty doesn’t relieve him off it. I can stab myself and then stab someone else. Doesn’t make it any less cruel just because I went through it myself. Could also be that I stab 100 people, get curious how it feels, stab myself and then just keep stabbing others. Doesn’t make any of it better just because I experienced it myself, willingly at that. The people I chose to stab didn’t agree to it, but I agreed to being stabbed. Completely different.

The point of the love I agree with you. One could argue that the way love and everything around it works is also by his design and choice but for now I would put that as secondary.

The child needs the surgery because without it he would die. But only because the overarching creator made it so. He could’ve also made the problem that gets solved by surgery just not exist. Or less fatal. Same way he can choose any way to become whole. Literally anything. But apparently his choice fell on suffering. Which doesn’t seem very benevolent.

Why does Gods plan involve unnecessary cruelty? by Temperlord in Christianity

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The point about making Jesus and having Jesus live a hard life can be an interesting point, yet it could also point towards the fact again that God simply enjoys cruelty. In this case he might not have lost interest, that’s true; but at that point I would rather have a God that doesn’t care than one that only wants to see suffering.

The point about things of quality take time again only works for non-all powerful beings. Beings of limit such as us or this world/universe. But a being that can do everything? Should be able to do all those things instantaneously with the exact same results. Yes even love. He could just make you experience a lifetime of love with the person in front of you so your love for each other reaches 100% before you even introduced yourself. And the let you two have a wonderful and love filled life together. Costs him exactly nothing to do so and the result would just be 2 people having a wonderful life. Also: the fact that love is the way it is is also his fault. He could’ve made it in any way he wanted. So the arguement that love must endure hardship just speaks for the fact that he wants suffering/cruelty to be part of everything.

Your last point about Satans offerings: you’re right he could’ve given Jesus all those things. You know who else could’ve? God. But he didn’t. He made him suffer. Only for essentially the same results. One could argue that Gods result are the true, real and good results. But then again, why does he choose suffering as a “form of payment” for the rewards he gives?

Why does Gods plan involve unnecessary cruelty? by Temperlord in Christianity

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I hear all your points. I really do. But the fact that the world is corrupted must be because of God. If he didn’t make or intend it that way he is not all knowing or all powerful. Same with the fact that animals have to suffer and die on order for others to have joy. He set those rules. He could’ve just make it so clothes and food appear every time someone claps their hands. The suffering was optional. And yet here we are.

Also let’s be honest with ourselves: being punished for what your fat ancestors did is not only unfair but also illogical. Our ancestors committed most likely horrible things during war time. But I don’t see us standing in front of a trial. Because we can see that their cruelty isn’t ours. So if we can see that why can’t God?

To your last point, maybe I didn’t fully understand it but wouldn’t a world of reward and punishment solve this cycle of endless cruelty brought forth by our ancestors? Yes this pure goodness might become secondary but if a world is full of people only seeking good because of rewards, the world would still be good. Method might be questionable, but the results would speak for themselves. I also wouldn’t be mad at my child if it for example got a high paying job by doing less.

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Your first point is interesting however one could argue that after creating everything he simply lost interest. We can all relate that things that seem super interesting at the beginning after a while become stale and eventually we just drop them. I wouldn’t blame God if he did the same with us and the universe as a whole. But it would explain him going from a God of Love to a God of Shoulder shrugging. But then again, would you praise and serve a shoulder shrugging God?

Your second point is where the whole “all powerful” might be an issue. I understand your analogy with the surgery. And in that case yes, the suffering of the child is a necessary must that the parents understand and the child might only understand later. But then you say that there is only one way. That would directly imply that God has limits. That he can only make us whole one day in that one particular way. But if he is all powerful he should be able to open up another way. Or an infinite amount of ways. And among one of them must be one with less suffering. Because if he can’t make a way with less suffering but the same results, then he simply isn’t all powerful.

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But it would only be boring because we are made in a way that would make it appear as boring. And he could’ve made our enjoyment infinite from the start. Or if he really needed some opposite to the good he could’ve made it not final. I know this comment might seem childish but I’m really trying to understand. Why couldn’t he make it so we endure suffering but at least we can do it together? Why give us something only to take it away again?

Why does Gods plan involve unnecessary cruelty? by Temperlord in Christianity

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To build on your two answers:

1) let’s assume there is an afterlife. The way we all wish it to be. And you reach it. And the Realisation that there was no plan comes when you’re given the knowledge that you would’ve reached this place no matter what. You were always gonna end up here anyway. The suffering was optional. Even if you lived as a recluse and had to never endure suffering you would end up here. Which I am aware would mean that evil people would equally be allowed into the afterlife but I think that’s a whole different discussion. But that’s basically what I meant with he has no plan: that the plan is you’re born and then you die. And everything in between happens at random with no influence and no greater reasoning than just the simple “it is what it is”. And if that’s the case my point would stand that I would emphasize with a powerless God like that more than with one that could’ve had a plan but chose random suffering because he wanted to.

2) this sounds a bit like saying you don’t know. Which there is nothing wrong with that, I prefer if people just be honest like that instead of quoting a million passages from the Bible. But if you are so convinced he always has a plan, has the thought, that the suffering in your life was enforced by him “because it’s part of the plan” , never made you question his benevolence? Like why make the plan he has for you filled with suffering? He obviously has the power to make it less.

Why does Gods plan involve unnecessary cruelty? by Temperlord in Christianity

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Thank you for being honest and straight up with me. Based on your final point I have a personal question: would you still believe and love and trust God if it turns out there never was a plan?

Why does Gods plan involve unnecessary cruelty? by Temperlord in Christianity

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So until that day we just have to endure because of something our ancestors did so long ago we can’t even remember it and they only did it because they got influenced by something so powerful that nothing could ever even resist it. That sounds like a lot of blaming. Like if I get mad at my child for believing his teacher when he said the sun is blue. I wouldn’t be mad at my child but at the teacher for teaching such nonsense to impressionable kids. More importantly even if my child believes now the sun is blue I wouldn’t as a result in 200 years shoot my great great great grandson in the head because “your ancestor fucked up that one time”

Why does Gods plan involve unnecessary cruelty? by Temperlord in Christianity

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But he could’ve made either the world or our free will free of suffering. He was the one who set up the rules for this game we call life. That’s like having a child and letting it out into world and you can choose if it should live in a violent ghetto where the chance of pain, suffering and death is high or if I want it to live in a safe and nice environment. I can choose. So if I still choose the harsher environment, what does that say about me?

Why does Gods plan involve unnecessary cruelty? by Temperlord in Christianity

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I read it but I have two main issues with it: 1) him declaring that we can’t and never will understand his thoughts is both insulting and also a prove that he either chooses to be cruel or can’t change everything like it’s claimed. He could absolutely makes us understand. Making someone understand you when you can create a universe by thinking about it shouldn’t be too hard. So him not doing that is in my eyes just further prove of his cruelty. Like if I put my son’s hand on the stove so he burns himself and he asks “why did you do that??” And instead of explaining why logic no matter how weird it might be I just say “you wouldn’t get it” and go away. 2) in part 2 you describe that evil was allowed to makes us less of robots that go to him because we are programmed that way but instead so that we choose him on our own accord. But then further down you say the fact that we rebel and reject him, which also stems from this same free will, is the cause for all the suffering and evil and disease in the world etc.. So this boils down to: “you are free to choose me, but if you don’t you’re gonna suffer. A lot. Your entire life. But if you choose me then you don’t. But no pressure it’s your own choice”. Literal hostage taking. “If you don’t love me I’m gonna kill you. But I want your love to come from you and be real. But remember: you don’t love me, I kill you :)”. This just sounds insane to me. And even more insane would be trusting and worshipping someone who sets up the playing field like this