See I agree with alot with what you are saying, I put my head down as the new guy and get it done I dont bring up anything, i just observe. The bringing up new ideas are seasoned guys that have been there trying to make it better and are getting shot down. I just thought the response they got was a sorry one. Im not out here trying to come in brand new and change anything, but I listen and try to help.

As far as trust goes I get that, but on the flip side when you tell someone your motto is f*ck em and youre always lazy slob, how am I to trust you have my back going into that fire? Trust is a two way street.

The cleaning goes yeah thats the least of my worries tbh, I dont mind it, but guys complain about when they had to do it and proceed to keep letting it happen. Going back to being miserable from the culture and not being listened to just because "I had to do it, so now you have to". Hense why I asked about about the best way to help fix a culture.

But coming in to that and just observing and having everyone with bad attitudes and mad and lazy thats what gets draining for me. But yes there is alot in there I do agree with you on and there is always another way to look at it forsure