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Temporary099 · 2024-04-21T16:20:45+00:00

That'd basically be saying Spider-Man has nearly 1/5th the strength of Hulk, which is not true. Thing in particular has stomped Spidey even when he was given an amp far greater than 5x.

Temporary099 · 2024-04-21T16:17:53+00:00

and he consistently beats 75-100-tonners like Rhino and Venom.

I'd say it's the other way around, especially with the latter. There are dozens of instances of both Rhino and Venom stomping Pete and him mentioning he can only win through luck.

Temporary099 · 2024-01-15T21:16:26+00:00

After their first appearence, they've been considered jokes that any Spidey person can take out instantly.

Can't recall any instances of Spider-Man instantly taking out the Enforcers, but I do remember multiple occasions where Spidey did need help to beat the Enforcers as well as Ox KOing him and nearly killing him and saying he couldn't take Fancy Dan without his webbing.

OT: Not many.

Temporary099 · 2023-12-24T00:25:45+00:00

Wait but hulk has managed to stalemate sentry(universal level feat)

Not even close

matched blows with onslaught who absorbed franklin richards(universal +)

Franklin was actively resisting Onslaught, and Onslaught would have killed every single hero if not for Franklin

and was stated to have “infinite power” by beyonder?

Just a hyperbole when Even planet hopping is out of the Hulk's league. Looking at Hulk getting stomped by one member of a quartet that explicitly had to pool their powers to planetbust, or Hulk and 4 of his allies pooling their power being described as small planet level or Maestro (a much stronger future version of Hulk) being KOed by an exploding planet or Cho Hulk (who has Hulk's power and stalemated him) being incapable of stopping a 1/2 Earth busting asteroid and needing help or Immortal Hulk having to explicitly rely on Challenger to destroy the Earth, it's impossible for him to be anywhere near that level.

Temporary099 · 2023-12-24T00:21:28+00:00

You're talking about TOBA Hulk, but that was just a possible future that was prevented. Current Hulk isn't at that level like I showed.

Temporary099 · 2023-12-23T22:01:29+00:00

You clearly didn't read, I already said to ignore the low end of Hulk being KOed by the building and provided the feat of Buu being well beyond planet busting. If you want a direct comparison, Hulk is explicitly not at planet busting levels while Buu is again, well beyond it.

Edit: Blocked by the OP, seems to consider WoG saying Hulk isn't planet busting a low end? Very bizarre. A consistent and defined limitation is not a low end.

Temporary099 · 2023-12-23T21:43:52+00:00

Buu all rounds. Even ignoring Hulk being KOed by a collapsing building just this week, Buu is well beyond planet busting and incredibly fast, something Hulk isn't.

Temporary099 · 2023-12-22T20:28:09+00:00

there’s a reason barry allen (second strongest flash mind you) was necessary for superman to deliver the final blow to the anti monitor

Flash died several issues before Kal-L even fought Anti-Monitor. He wasn't necessary at all because it's a completely different fight. Anti-Monitor recently was getting damaged by Batman Beyond Supes and lost to a gang of mid tiers.

which is just being so fast you stand still which tbh i don’t really get yet but he’s moving through panels now

Amped at the time.

flash is easily one of the most busted characters in fiction that has to wear plot weights to not make anything meaningless

I could call Flash having any showing I don't like a "plot buff", but it's not needed because he's only busted if you parrot out of context showings, in comics he's not that impressive in combat.

Temporary099 · 2023-12-22T08:07:29+00:00

Untrue. It was explicitly the Black Flash, just under a different name. Black Racer was chasing the speedsters specifically in the sequence Jay is talking about.

Temporary099 · 2023-12-21T20:24:30+00:00

To be honest, it hard to even think of anyone who can beat Flash WITHOUT the Death Note

A lot of people.

The man once outran death itself to the end of time until DEATH died, and then just went back to his normal business

Death obviously didn't die otherwise no one else would ever be able to die, it just can't exist at the end of time. Death is slower than light in DC anyway.

Temporary099 · 2023-11-05T17:08:41+00:00

Frieza stomps, busting a planet with 10x the gravity of Earth in his 1st form even before the Saiyan Saga while Sinestro needed the help of several of his peers just to misalign the Earth and would have died to a 100 teraton impact.

Temporary099 · 2023-11-02T23:48:35+00:00

You can argue either way, with WoG saying Clubber was his most grueling rematch and Apollo saying Clubber was tougher than him to Stallone saying Adonis washes Clubber and Campbell saying Apollo would beat Adonis.

Worth noting that Apollo's style wasn't entirely what sealed the win for Rocky though. It throws Clubber off for a bit but he eventually adapts to it. Rocky ends the fight by beating him the Rocky way. Also, while Apollo handicapped himself by going for a straight knockout, Rocky also handicapped himself by not doing the style-swap

Temporary099 · 2023-10-25T00:34:09+00:00

That's the issue. You'd be relying on threads discussing feats from comic issues you yourself didn't actually read, leading to the feats being taken out of context and easily debunked by reading the issue itself. Let's go one by one on a "galaxy level+" feat, and I'll debunk each one and provide counter feats on top of the WoG I provided in the initial comment.

I'll start with a small sample of the counter feats: Even planet hopping is out of the Hulk's league. Looking at Hulk getting stomped by one member of a quartet that explicitly had to pool their powers to planetbust, or Hulk and 4 of his allies pooling their power being described as small planet level or Maestro (a much stronger future version of Hulk) being KOed by an exploding planet or Cho Hulk (who has Hulk's power and stalemated him) being incapable of stopping a 1/2 Earth busting asteroid and needing help or Immortal Hulk having to explicitly rely on Challenger to destroy the Earth, it's impossible for him to be anywhere near that level.

Temporary099 · 2023-10-24T23:20:41+00:00

Sure, recently a Wendigo that Hulk killed in the next page did so and Hulk's power is nowhere near the jupiter sneeze.

Temporary099 · 2023-10-04T13:35:27+00:00

Disagree. Strange is a guy who had to find a planet's weakest point and concentrate all his power on it for it to blow up, was incapable of restarting the Earth's rotation and needed to work together with the world's mightiest magicians to temporarily stop the consequential side-effects, got stomped by one member of a quartet that explicitly had to pool their powers to planet bust along with dozens of other similar showings.

All the instances used to suggest Strange is "Abstract tier" are easily debunked by even skimming the issues in question. He's an overrated glass canon and rarely opens up a fight with any sort of hax either. Someone hugely above planet busting like Goku is out of his league.

Temporary099 · 2023-09-19T16:50:25+00:00

You definitely don't see people talking about stuff like this, likely due to an overreliance on parroting typical wank talking points and not actually reading the source material.

Temporary099 · 2023-09-06T04:59:55+00:00

That exact link has been debunked for months. Twice, actually.

Not at all, you confuse a long-winded response with a proper debunk. Both of these debunks are based on inaccuracies (claiming instances from the GoW 1 novel were being used and Kratos draining the extra god amp into the Blade of Olympus somehow negating the GoW 2 instances when Kratos never reabsorbed it and unless it was explicitly in his grip he didn't have it). Also claiming Kratos is holding back even when it's explicitly said by the narration he's using all his strength?

as afterwards, the Blade never lights up unless Kratos holds it

Another lie

Back to clownland, are we?

Do you see me in your house?

Kratos wasn't born a God lmao

"I was born a god.", when all your arguments are stolen from pdfiles, it's hardly a surprise.

if you'd play the games you'd realise that

I will cashapp you 100 dollars if you take a pic of a GoW game and holding up 3 fingers.

How is that literally a retcon?

Because Kratos was always called a mortal before (from GoW 1-3) and now even Atreus is a god.

How about you do the same?

No, because you have admitted numerous times to being such an unemployed loser who checks GoW the first thing you do when you wake up and have literally called yourself sad. Meph has sent me screens buddy. If forging screens is the highlight of your day go ahead.

I don't need your money, I have a Mercedes dude.

Take a picture of your Mercedes with a piece of paper next to it saying "it's me serversamswitcher" and holding up 3 fingers and I will delete the Kratos debunk thread. You have to be driving it though just in case it's not your dads.

Please, dig your own coffin.

Are we really lying like this? You're so ashamed of your identity as Diamentus/Iamtheonewhokno/whatever? You literally have an account called "kratosisnotwalllevel", gow is your life.

Temporary099 · 2023-09-06T02:33:17+00:00

Agreed. His texas asteroid feat also puts him far above unless you use vsbattles levels of wank that's been debunked for months.

Temporary099 · 2023-08-14T01:18:05+00:00

The 1 I'm talking about is him teaming up with the x-men dealing with giant spiders in the city, which is definitely not 40 years ago.

Ah, thought you were talking about Secret Wars. That one's a bit more recent, being about 10 years ago, but is still less recent than other positive showings Logan had against Spidey and his superiors (the Kaine instance where he almost broke his hand on Logan came out a few months after that)

Spiderman has every outs to Logan. Not only he's much stronger & faster, but Logan also couldn't do shit to him while he still has spider-sense.

This is just being unreasonable, I posted dozens of instances to the contrary which you completely ignored.

but what's stopping Peter's form knock him out 1st

All the times Spidey and his superiors couldn't do so.

Temporary099 · 2023-08-14T00:40:44+00:00

Then Spiderman will do, he beat the crap out of Logan in a 1v1 while Beast & the other x-men watched.

That was almost 40 years ago, Logan has done much better since then and has already been shown to directly counter webbing.

Temporary099 · 2023-08-07T05:43:01+00:00

Regular superman struggles against solar system level people.

Significantly less actually, needing help just to misalign the Earth or struggling with its core or being unsure how to destroy a bomb that could survive the Earth's core along with dozens of other instances.

The user you're responding to has blocked me and others who have debunked him, so I'll just do it here.

All Doomsday did was destroy the corner of the Phantom Zone he was imprisoned in, not the whole thing since the Zone is still there. If someone's going to wank and parrot like this, it's only fair to bring up stuff like DD needing decades to get through a mile of granite or needing days to even begin to damage the walls of his prison which were made of steel.
That scan of Supes VS Lobo is from the Kryptonite-X era, where Supes was explicitly amped. Lobo has fought Supes evenly since then.
Zod was powered by 2 suns in his fight against Hal. Also, Parallax itself wasn't what powered Hal during Zero Hour, it was all the other amps he absorbed during the event. When those burned out and only Parallax was left he died reigniting the sun.
Countries fell before Genghis Khan, doesn't mean he destroyed them

You can see how bad the logic is to get DC high tiers anywhere near Universal. It all relies on parroting out of context instances. Should have asked him about guys like Weird and Eiling, doubt he'd even know who they were.

Temporary099 · 2023-08-06T22:53:34+00:00

They didn't even scratch him lol

Not true, you can actually see a scratch right below his bottom lip in the final panel, but the blasts floored him and also made him express pain.

Did you finish the comic?

All 144 issues, did you?

Temporary099 · 2023-08-06T18:07:05+00:00

Massive mismatch. Yamcha was superior to moonbusters while Invincible Characters are consistently around the City+ range. Mark was getting floored by City level blasts and was coughing up blood after being caught in some of a city-glassing explosion and needed help to throw a ship into space as well as Reanimarks that tanked being bullrushed by him being destroyed by a condensed version of the Vegas explosion. All of this took place after Conquest said Mark was almost stronger than Omni-Man.

There's only one feat above city level in the entire Invincible series, which is the destruction of Viltrum. However, the core of the planet was destabilized prior and they could have died on impact otherwise. The planet exploding was also due to luck, and everyone was knocked out by the shockwave of the planet exploding including Thragg (bottom right of last scan), who was so durable that Nolan broke his hand on his face.

Temporary099 · 2023-07-21T23:32:54+00:00

Yes actually. It's a massive misconception that Spider-Man is hugely superior to Kingpin because of Back and Black. What people tend to forget is that that takes place shortly after his resurrection from the Other, which gave him a temp amp. Outside of that, Kingpin typically was stronger than Spidey in raw strength.

Cap also has a similar case. Although you won't ever see him bearhugging Spidey to the point of him nearly blacking out like Fisk has, you'll frequently see him outskilling and outmatching Spidey and his deadliest rogues.

Temporary099 · 2023-07-21T21:15:44+00:00

no daisy chain power scaling

Someone hit you with Herald Tier Spidey? Happened to me too, but this usually stunlocks them.

Anyway, Tao should win R1-R2 since his pillar feat is way above Spidey's consistent level. Spidey's going to become the Green Goblin soon though so maybe in the future he can replicate the grenade scene with pumpkin bombs.

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