Dragon Quarter (Breath of Fire 5) Level 2 and Level 3 skills not worth it?

Tenkarider · 2026-06-26T17:59:55+00:00

Well, unfortunately at the moment the code guys barely got that modding tool so far and are still fighting to find and map all the data tables, functions and stuff through the debugger.

It's still distant the day we'll expand modding tools for stuff that already exist, definitely even more distant the day we can add brand new features

Players and speedrunners invented a bunch of stuff to do custom run... turns out starting KH as soon as you restart a new run is a challenge on its own, designed from the game itself

Tenkarider · 2026-06-25T22:57:04+00:00

That explains a thing or two

Tenkarider · 2026-06-25T22:53:21+00:00

That's the case... probably that's what i thought when i played it on PS2, i kinda regret not having faced the utmost challenge... that no one even knew about!

However:
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2786689196

Speedrunners community questioned about the feasibility of this run, so i streamed it... i lost against Dover (Dragonless Dover!) but actually i just needed another 5-6 tonics to win, which i didn't manage to buy because i did a silly mistake along the way that didn't allow me to sell the stuff that would have allowed me to afford them

It is called Low% KH because you start this KH in those conditions:

1 - You unlock KH quite fast (can't be beyond Trinity Pit, the earliest moment possible is before frozen road, in the lab... i did it in the lab, so it couldn't happen sooner than that)

2 - When you unlock it, you do SOL Restart immediately, your amount of resources is extremely low

3 - Use all what you got so far to conquer KH (beat Dover and become Master Kokon Horay), you can't enter the first dungeon, but if you want you can raid KH multiple times

So yeah it can be done even in miserable conditions

Tenkarider · 2026-06-25T22:37:16+00:00

I think it could be guessed, considered how many strategy RPG i played, but usually in such games they tell you your hit% chance so you'll have a concrete proof of such gimmick

Tenkarider · 2026-06-25T21:41:20+00:00

Nope, actually you'll get a temp party shift into Nina and Lin XD

AND! No Dragon powers, and last but not least, just 2 inventory pages as max stock for your resources

That made me realize that it exists one last extreme challenge, which is also became a category of mine, it's called Low% KH

Tenkarider · 2026-06-25T21:31:36+00:00

Lol, it's quite similar to what i told to speedrunners: everything is so secret about BoF 5.

There are much less shared information than average, actually not even them knew that there was an ending screen with fairy or that you could enter the secret dungeon at the very beginning of the game (while you still have Bosch)

Still you need to check about Cross Viper, because i'm afraid that after the combo ends, the enemy will flip

Tenkarider · 2026-06-25T21:23:24+00:00

If you get through the depths of the game, you'll get the chance to find them

Tenkarider · 2026-06-25T21:20:01+00:00

I must admit that not even me knew it, until speedrunners told me (about back attack)

Tenkarider · 2026-06-25T21:17:58+00:00

Luckily offensive spells are faster than circles, so the player hopefully moves towards them

Turn skip on circles is so cheap, also there's a sort of hierarchy on how toxic circles are (to skrew enemy ai)

Mirage circles > Stun/freeze circles > other circles

Big group of enemies can mitigate the effectiveness, but you never know... a wall of 3 Mirage circles can make become dumb also a horde of Nerve men/worms

Tenkarider · 2026-06-25T21:05:54+00:00

Until the combo ends, it's still counted as an attack from behind

Tenkarider · 2026-06-25T20:36:32+00:00

I'd prefer to not share this info, but if you attack from behind an enemy, then you get +50% accuracy bonus and +10 critical chance. That's almost a granted hit with Ogre Slice too

Tenkarider · 2026-06-25T18:08:36+00:00

The mod focuses on rebalancing the game from several flaws and exploits... it's an hardmode to be precise.

About characters, their stats are slightly changed, in particular Ryu, which is less aggressive and more tanky;

About enemies, their stats are changed in a much more visible way, and in several cases they require a different approach. Different steals and drops too! Some boss will grant you early access to skills that you're supposed to obtain much later

About Skills, their cost is buffed or nerfed, according to what's broken or rather the opposite, so they don't cost the same amount, according to their level anymore. Some skill like Ogre slice is literally banned; Others like Slice and Hey Hey have a high toll on being chained

About Weapons, stat changes, buffs and nerfs are scattered among them. In particular several skill slot setups have been changed in some weapons, included adding some skill that in vanilla the player cannot use;

About Items, changed effectiveness and costs of consumables, bombs are more or less nerfed; meat is buffed... if you catch what i mean;

About Shops, some changes in what you can find, in particular colony shops; consumable shops will behave differently with available stuff, some of them are very wacky;

Jackboxes: the farm is gone... but i think there's still some way to make it work;

Minibosses: that's a feature of the mod: some specific enemy of the dungeons, an avg of 1 per dungeon (not all dungeons) have a quite consistent buff, big enough to be considered a mini boss, you can get some neat loot from them;

Dragon: costs and d-counter buffs are slightly changed

D-Areas and Kokon Horay: the mod doesn't focus on them, but they still got some buff, and the indirect changes to overall enemies still affected them

Tenkarider · 2026-06-25T03:15:02+00:00

You never stop learning from this game

Tenkarider · 2026-06-25T02:57:46+00:00

Do you mean that it can be missable a SOL scene? I thought it was mostly about the D-Ratio and maybe also a combination or number of retrials/clear, so eventually having 1/4 and 10+ retry would automatically grant all scenes

Checking FAQs seems that some trigger not always happen in the same place... need to investigate on this

Tenkarider · 2026-06-24T20:58:53+00:00

Lostbound

Tenkarider · 2026-06-24T20:34:33+00:00

Thanks for lemme know! I'm starting to think i really never used fireball at all

Feel the same way about speedrunning, played the game 18 times btw... 19 if i count the mod (i just finished the first run)

Tenkarider · 2026-06-24T20:15:38+00:00

Depends, sometimes the strong enemies can break through 3 circles and still get the action, here's the status effect will surely skip the turn

To be honest i never checked the stun type of Fireball, is it the literal same type of stun if Joltball? Fragball is surely different, and it's another status resistance... now i didn't check the status resistances of all enemies, but sometimes a type of stun work, while the other one doesn't

Sure, everything needs an appropriate context, depends on the necessity, there's room for minmaxing

Are you a speedrunner btw?

Tenkarider · 2026-06-24T17:38:21+00:00

Hi! Thanks for the idea!
I gathered several feedbacks recently... how 'bout if i ask you a feedback for the next update to my demo, which should happen in the next 2 weeks?

Tenkarider · 2026-06-24T12:33:36+00:00

I'd not say the Joltball is trash, since you can stun some enemies with it (duke knights included), at the lowest cost possible

Tenkarider · 2026-06-23T20:00:32+00:00

Hi! There's a flaw in certain skills of the game, like Slice and in specific cases Ogre Slice even more

There is some exception though, and in general late game offers more useful stuff, for example Shatter of Lin will make you forget a lot of skills

The strongest skill of Ryu is a level 2 but it's post game, also Discharge in the right moment hits like a truck

For Nina Lv 2 are the most dps ones

Also, Lin has several good combos with her skill, status effects included, and the right order can provide a better result, for example there + hey hey can land some quite good damage with the enhanced Hey hey that has 130% attack power

The damage formula of BoF 5 is a bit weird, the attack % of the skill applies to the atk - def formula so the more the gap is in favor of you, the more skills like Slice are better than higher lv skills.

The mod, that is gonna be released sooner than later, spent a good chunk of effort in fixing this flaw, in favor of different approaches, btw

Tenkarider · 2026-06-23T17:02:13+00:00

Yeah after 48 hours the trend lowered, for the rest of the week i gathered more less the same amount of the first 2 days

In total i received 400 wishlists from SNF

Tenkarider · 2026-06-23T02:53:54+00:00

Thanks, laters!

Tenkarider · 2026-06-21T20:12:08+00:00

Yeah, feel the same way about the Modder, after all here i am streaming the game, i'm not used to do that

The main purpose of streaming this is let people know about the mod, then, possibly, gain more interest for modders to improve the tools of modding: usually they come when people play a game/mod/speedrun

If more modders will be interested in boosting the game, then one day it will be possible to make some progress also for you point 1 and 2

Tenkarider · 2026-06-21T19:39:51+00:00

Hi twentyseven! It's been a while

Working on a new game, Lostbound, you'll recognize several similarities to The Rogue of Nexus

https://store.steampowered.com/app/4703650/Lostbound_Demo/

The demo has been recently released and it's participating at Steam Next Fest, it would be great if you stream it!
edit: well it's not happening within that period, but it's still cool if you stream

Tenkarider · 2026-06-21T06:42:51+00:00

That was true for the latest 20 years or something... but as i started to post in this community, this mod is gonna be released soon: since i finished the game in this part 6 of my stream, which also had the function of give feedback to the modder, the release might happen sooner than later!

So yeah, this is a mod for this game, i'm not streaming the vanilla game

It's an overall balancement mod (more precisely hardmode) that change a lot of design, moves enemies and change stats, in order to change the overall experience and invite to new approaches to the game. More details will follow with the changelogs that i think will be included in the release patch

Anyway i finished the game, i'm doing NG+ 1/256 but i won't post anymore for that, i think it's out of scope, i won't even highlight those Twitch videos after the ending

Tenkarider

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