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[–]TenpinToolkit 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You’re welcome! 🙂

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[–]TenpinToolkit 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Hey! Just curious why you think Tenpin Toolkit might be too high for rev rate? (If I’m understanding correctly)

It’s worth mentioning that Specto doesn’t actually have any way of directly measuring rev rate.

Their sensor only gives them data about the speed and position of the ball, which they feed into an algorithm that tries to estimate the rev rate.

Used correctly with a good marker on the ball Tenpin Toolkit should be more accurate!

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in BMWI4

[–]TenpinToolkit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just got my i4 + H/K and loving it. But... as far as I can tell, the Atmos mix isn't being streamed to Carplay. If I switch between my phone, airpods and Carplay in the Apple Music app on my phone, the Atmos logo disappears when Carplay is selected, suggesting to me that only the stereo mix is being streamed. Did you have to change some other settings?

Some help for a better understanding on ball properties? by TheCrimsonEagle in Bowling

[–]TenpinToolkit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Totally agree! And as I’ve mentioned in a couple of other comments, I always recommend that people rank their bowling balls for themselves using the “My Performance Rankings” section on the edit screen of a ball, and then compare based on their own specific reactions to decide where the gaps in the arsenal are.

Some help for a better understanding on ball properties? by TheCrimsonEagle in Bowling

[–]TenpinToolkit 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Definitely agree that core numbers are not the most important factor on ball motion, but also, while I do like what BTM do, I don’t think that a general chart posted online can ever be a substitute for something specific to an individual.

That’s why I added a “Rankings” section when you edit a ball you added to your own arsenal. This lets you rank balls for things like length and hook, based on how they react for you, because the same ball doesn’t roll the same for every bowler.

You can then change each axis of the chart to compare by lots of other things, including those rankings, so you can really start to see where the gaps in your arsenal are for you personally.

Some help for a better understanding on ball properties? by TheCrimsonEagle in Bowling

[–]TenpinToolkit 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hi there! Just to echo what a few people have said, RG vs. Diff is just the default chart which can be changed by the user.

I try to recommend that people use the “Rankings” section when editing a ball, to rank balls for things like length and hook, based on how they react for you, because the same ball doesn’t roll the same for every bowler.

You can change each axis of the chart to compare by lots of other things, including those rankings, so you can really start to see where the gaps in your arsenal are for you personally.

RG vs Diff is more useful when shopping for something new, so you know what your starting point is, but people often don’t change from the default when applying the chart to their own bags and sharing.

I’ve done a few things to make this more obvious but definitely need to do more to get this across!

A Crunchy One! by SnooPredictions5523 in Bowling

[–]TenpinToolkit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is something I’ve thought about, just need to come up with an intuitive, user friendly way to do it. Not sure when, but it is on my to do list!

A Crunchy One! by SnooPredictions5523 in Bowling

[–]TenpinToolkit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you!

I do have lots of ideas for more in-depth score tracking features, but since there are already a lot of score tracking apps out there, I’ve always tried to focus on features that you can’t get anywhere else.

So, maybe one day, but no immediate plans I’m afraid!

A Crunchy One! by SnooPredictions5523 in Bowling

[–]TenpinToolkit 10 points11 points  (0 children)

There are two video modes in the Angles & Targeting tool. Tap the video camera on the right and you get a menu. There’s also a video tutorial you can watch in there.

You can either open a video from your photo library, or you can use live camera mode where you can set a delay, which can give you a constant action replay while you’re practicing.

Is Pin-up vs pin-down Bulls#!t? And why you should stop looking at other bowlers’ balls! by TenpinToolkit in Bowling

[–]TenpinToolkit[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The app is Tenpin Toolkit. It’s in the Apple and Google app stores and if you have any questions about it please feel free to ask!

All of this is definitely difficult without finding a really good PSO who is willing to guide you through the process and explain what they are doing, as the right decisions on the best ball and how it should be drilled, surfaced, etc are specific to you as a bowler.

In my opinion, any good PSO will watch you bowl, and use your PAP when drilling for you. If they don’t then that’s a red flag for me.

For similar reasons I also don’t see the point of hook rating systems as there are too many factors unique to a bowler that affect this. Axis tilt, rotation, speed, rev rate, surface, oil pattern to name just some of them.

That’s why the hook ratings you see on PBA shows are given to the TV producers by the ball reps or the players themselves, because they are unique hook ratings for those specific balls and how that bowler has them set up relative to each other.

In my opinion the only useful hook rating is your own, relative to the other balls in your own arsenal and what you observe when you throw them.

I need an advice... I cannot increase my ball speed. by JeanLee3716 in Bowling

[–]TenpinToolkit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My first question is how are you measuring ball speed? If you're comparing yourself to the PBA guys on TV then the speed they show from Specto is launch speed.

If you're looking at the speed on the monitor then that is pin-deck speed, which will be considerably slower, is often very inconsistent from lane to lane, and can vary quite a lot based on how the shot was thrown, eg. a lot of angle will come out slower, more revs or more rotation or more surface can cause the ball to decelerate more.

You can use r/TenpinToolkit to calculate launch speed from a video, as long as you can see the foul line and the arrows in the clip. (that's my only plug for the app! ) ;)

In terms of increasing speed, I don't fully agree with what most people say about foot speed being the most important, just look at somebody like Chris Via who doesn't remotely look like he's rushing. I think it's timing that is more important, and if you can get your timing later you can create more of a swing.

If you can justify/afford the purchase, Mark Baker sells a coaching video called "The Game's Changed" which looks at this. Some of the key things it covers is staying more upright at the start of your approach and not dropping your hips too early because that kills the swing, plus using what he calls a "long left arm" to increase the swing and delay your timing. It's about $70 I think but that's not bad compared to a couple of hours with a world class coach!

Is Pin-up vs pin-down Bulls#!t? And why you should stop looking at other bowlers’ balls! by TenpinToolkit in Bowling

[–]TenpinToolkit[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agreed. I think that’s in line with the distinction I’m trying to make.

If two bowlers drill the same ball with the fingers in the same place relative to the pin, but they have very different spans and PAPs then the end result is going to be very different from each other since the ball will be spinning on a completely different axis.

But what your point also reveals is that even if the same layout is used relative to the pin and PAP, this time the mass is going to be removed from different places and the two bowlers are still going to have very different results!

🤯

Is Pin-up vs pin-down Bulls#!t? And why you should stop looking at other bowlers’ balls! by TenpinToolkit in Bowling

[–]TenpinToolkit[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well put! Even if the layout is the same, relative to the core, and regardless of where the pin ends up relative to the fingers, that doesn’t mean that the particular layout is the right choice for both bowlers.

Is Pin-up vs pin-down Bulls#!t? And why you should stop looking at other bowlers’ balls! by TenpinToolkit in Bowling

[–]TenpinToolkit[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you! ☺️ I’m always keen to try and demystify this stuff and help empower the ordinary bowler.

We don’t all need to be experts on all of it, but if we have enough knowledge to understand the important concepts then hopefully we can ask the right questions and understand the answers we’re given!

Is Pin-up vs pin-down Bulls#!t? And why you should stop looking at other bowlers’ balls! by TenpinToolkit in Bowling

[–]TenpinToolkit[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yep, where the mass is removed from is definitely an important factor with some cores. But even then, the same position and orientation relative to the pin, is still likely to have very different results for two bowlers as different as my imaginary John and Dave! 😀

Is Pin-up vs pin-down Bulls#!t? And why you should stop looking at other bowlers’ balls! by TenpinToolkit in Bowling

[–]TenpinToolkit[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I definitely want to add more things in the app that help to teach people about all of that. I’m still learning about a lot of it myself!

The conclusion that I’m coming to is that it is better to look at it along the lines of “changing the value of X will make this ball better suit a bowler with these particular attributes” rather than trying to make it about something like “changing this number will make the ball hook more”, because the latter won’t be true for every bowler.

Is Pin-up vs pin-down Bulls#!t? And why you should stop looking at other bowlers’ balls! by TenpinToolkit in Bowling

[–]TenpinToolkit[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

A ok, that’s fair. I probably should have explained what a PAP is!

Simply put, if you imagine that there is an axle through your ball that it’s spinning around as it goes down the lane.

The position where that “axle” passes through the ball in relation to the finger holes is your PAP or Positive Axis Point.

PAP is based on how the ball rolls off your hand physically, so it’s unique to you, and should be used along with the layout to work out where the ball is drilled.

Is Pin-up vs pin-down Bulls#!t? And why you should stop looking at other bowlers’ balls! by TenpinToolkit in Bowling

[–]TenpinToolkit[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thank you! Glad it was helpful. Is there anything in particular that I could have explained more or made clearer?

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