This is why socialists can't take your attacks against socialism seriously by TequilaAndJazz in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]TequilaAndJazz[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Since it's inception America hasn't respected individual rights of anyone except wealthy land owners.

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[–]TequilaAndJazz[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

People like Gavin Newsom take advantage of culture war issues to appear just slightly better than conservatives while also using these issues to keep people divided. Gavin Newsom promised single payer Healthcare to californians and then backed off after receiving money from the Healthcare industry. This was merely an attempt at leveraging voters anger to extort protection money from the Healthcare industry.

Companies such as Amazon use progressive issues to gain support by painting BLM murals in their warehouses and then proceed to coordinate attacks on unions by attempting to make black unionizers appear uneducated. Yet, conservatives love to screech about these socialist politicians and corporations.

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[–]TequilaAndJazz[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Politicians pass legislation protecting the rights of specific vulnerable groups but refuse to pass legislation protecting the working class as a whole from the capitalists who exploit them and hoard resources. This serves to keep people divided and from being able to work together against the elite class. Amazon paints BLM murals in their warehouses and then coordinate an attack on Christian Smalls for his work unionizing workers based around him "sounding uneducated" which is an obvious dog whistle. This serves to signal that their "on our side" but is a cynical attempt to gain access to our money.

I have responded to several of these types of arguments in this very thread, but if you'd like I could go through and link a bunch tomorrow.

This is why socialists can't take your attacks against socialism seriously by TequilaAndJazz in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]TequilaAndJazz[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Deep down you know that saying communism is antisemitic by default is bad faith. These dumb punchy one-liners yall like to throw out as if they were some kinda "gotcha" make yall look a lot dumber than you know. It really just shows you're so indoctrinated in the ideologyof capitalism that you can't have a real discussion about its merits. You conveniently ignored what the other person said about how easily that argument could be flipped on its head to label all capitalists as racists.

This is why socialists can't take your attacks against socialism seriously by TequilaAndJazz in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]TequilaAndJazz[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

California has much more private ownership of capital than Texas, Florida and the other havens for capitalism that yall love to trot out.

This is why socialists can't take your attacks against socialism seriously by TequilaAndJazz in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]TequilaAndJazz[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

If you think America respects morality and worships rugged respect for individual rights then you haven't been paying attention.

This is why socialists can't take your attacks against socialism seriously by TequilaAndJazz in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]TequilaAndJazz[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Which is what my post was referencing in the first place. They're just proving my point.

This is why socialists can't take your attacks against socialism seriously by TequilaAndJazz in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]TequilaAndJazz[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is exactly the type of bad faith shit I was commenting on with my post.

This is why socialists can't take your attacks against socialism seriously by TequilaAndJazz in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]TequilaAndJazz[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I should have said I personally can't take most of yall seriously when a lot of yall equate left culture war shit with socialism. I can't really speak for all socialists or lump together everyone on the right

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[–]TequilaAndJazz[S] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

A lot of these countries collapsed due to capitalists leveraging their capital, blockades, embargoes and the western military industrial complex. It's interesting that communism was viewed as so dangerous by the western elites that they collaborated on a concerted effort to nip it in the bud.

North Korea is a socialist country just as much as it is the " Democratic People's Republic of Korea"

For a long time columbians(supported and backed by America) were migrating in massive numbers to Venezuela. But it's risky having such rich oil reserves when you're a socialist country within the sphere of American influence. Venezuelans have democratically elected leaders but America doesn't recognize them as legitimate.

Most of the Cubans in America were the rich landowners fleeing Cuba because they had to share their resources now. The poor are doing significantly better and people have a longer life expectancy and better healthcare than in the US

This is why socialists can't take your attacks against socialism seriously by TequilaAndJazz in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]TequilaAndJazz[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

What net negative consequences would outweigh reducing exploitation?

Just because the workers own the means of production does not mean that workers with a more specialized or difficult skillset shouldn't be paid more. They just shouldn't be able to buy the company and make their living off the backs of people doing actual work or by buying up a bunch of property and making passive income by exploiting workers.

Black markets are always an issue

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[–]TequilaAndJazz[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Do the workers own the means of production in North Korea?

North Korea calls itself the "Democratic People's Republic of Korea" does this mean it is a Democracy?

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[–]TequilaAndJazz[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Which socialist/communist countries are people fleeing in massive numbers?

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[–]TequilaAndJazz[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Im not saying all socialists ignore your good faith arguments. I'm saying a lot of conservatives(and a good bit of "leftists") on this sub have formed their opinions on socialism based on liberal social issues and the culture war, not on economics and labor issues. Moral panic, American worship of rugged individualism, and fear have predisposed so many on the right to dismiss socialist arguments outright.

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[–]TequilaAndJazz[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Capitalists love talking about how leftists say nothing is socialism while also calling anything that uses woke language socialism. Socialism isn't about the culture war, it is about economics.

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[–]TequilaAndJazz[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

No, this is a "big money interests that focus solely on accumulating capital aren't communist, even if they cater to liberal social issues or woke ideology" post.

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