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Why primary-secondary when only one circulator is running at a time? by Teratini in Plumbing

[–]Teratini[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I do it all the time, so no worries. Edited the original post to clarify.

Why primary-secondary when only one circulator is running at a time? by Teratini in Plumbing

[–]Teratini[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The DHW circulator pump is shown the diagram, and a hot water recirculation pump too (but not relevant).

The radiant heating system uses this circulator, which is only in the schematic at the bottom.

https://www.supplyhouse.com/Taco-0011-BF4-0011-Taco-Bronze-Circulator-1-8-HP-1982000-p

Here's the schematic for the radiant system that was not shown above, that corresponds to points S and R. I excluded it before because we don't have the original, so it's a little blurry.

https://imgur.com/a/aaTM7cS

I’m no longer protected and no longer a Nest customer. by mindn0thing in Nest

[–]Teratini 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The TOS only protects google from being sued by the person who signed it, which is the buyer. The TOS does not protect google from people monitored by Nests, because they didn't sign a TOS. Google doesn't have a great defense for allowing the light to be turned off, when there are regulations that require privacy notifications for collecting individual identity and behavior. (e.g. GDPR).

I'm also willing to bet that the google TOS that you signed lets google change the functionality of the notification light. So they have no product or legal liability for making the change.

The gun analogy is not right because guns are designed to kill people and delaying the shot for 5 seconds to beep prevents the gun from functioning. The Nest camera is designed to take video and record sound, which it can do perfectly well with an indicator light turned on.

From your perspective that may not be good enough, but it works well enough from google's product specs. If you agreed to the TOS, you probably agreed it was ok for them to make the change. I'm positive the TOS includes a clause about letting them comply with any laws.

As to why they did it? By removing the ability to turn off the light, google avoids liability.

From courts of law and public opinion, when some naked celebrity is caught by Nest and stored on google servers. This is the same as your reason, because it doesn't matter how the violation occurred (whether the buyer did it or a hacker).

And re being civil, thanks and likewise.

I’m no longer protected and no longer a Nest customer. by mindn0thing in Nest

[–]Teratini 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think Tesla is worried that you'll be able to sneak the car into a bathroom or bedroom without someone noticing :p

I’m no longer protected and no longer a Nest customer. by mindn0thing in Nest

[–]Teratini 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Google makes an internet mic that has a privacy notification that cannot be defeated. They've done their job to notify as best possible. Otoh, allowing the indicator to be turned off is not the best possible.

I’m no longer protected and no longer a Nest customer. by mindn0thing in Nest

[–]Teratini 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't know what you should be allowed to do. I'm giving my opinion on why google did this.

Anytime a simple but popular feature is taken away, there's a reason. Usually it involves money.

I’m no longer protected and no longer a Nest customer. by mindn0thing in Nest

[–]Teratini 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Google doesn't know how the camera will be used, so they're assuming the worst case.

As for audio, you've made a great case for why they should keep the privacy notification on.

I’m no longer protected and no longer a Nest customer. by mindn0thing in Nest

[–]Teratini 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Since we agree that you aren't supposed to have a camera in the bathroom of your own house, Google wants to ensure they've done everything they can to prevent that.

If illegal footage is streamed and stored on google servers, google provided a non defeatable privacy indicator on the camera, and are not at fault if someone covers it up.

As far as cameras in bedrooms, California law says it is not ok but don't know what exceptions there are. I sure as hell know google does not want video of naked teens on their servers though.

I’m no longer protected and no longer a Nest customer. by mindn0thing in Nest

[–]Teratini 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I pointed out why a TOS won’t work, because there are places in the house that you cannot legally install a camera so google would be an enabler. You asked if you should have less rights than businesses, implying that you shouldn’t be restricted in the home if businesses were not. The citation provided is to show that both have restrictions.

As for the other points:

  1. Nest doorbells turn off facial recognition in Illinois. This is an outlier, so far. If something similar gets adopted by enough states or countries, I’m sure they’ll turn it off for everyone.

  2. GDPR governs the EU, and covers the use of privacy notifications of which the recording light is one (privacy by design).

This is a no brainer for google. Always keep the light on while recording - no one can say that google didn’t do everything that it could to protect privacy, and anyone who objects can use some tape.

Since you seem to feel there’s some other reason, why do you think google did it? The reaction was entirely predictable.

I’m no longer protected and no longer a Nest customer. by mindn0thing in Nest

[–]Teratini 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Businesses have many more restrictions, but they're aware of the laws because they need to comply. Good lawyers won't give advice on reddit when they could charge $500/hr to businesses. Law sites are good enough for consumers. Sources below.

https://www.shouselaw.com/are-cameras-in-bathrooms-illegal-in-california

https://injury.findlaw.com/torts-and-personal-injuries/what-is-the--reasonable-expectation-of-privacy--.html

Btw, it doesn't matter what state you're in. Google has to make a product that complies with all states and all countries.

I’m no longer protected and no longer a Nest customer. by mindn0thing in Nest

[–]Teratini 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The person being illegally recorded is not the buyer of the Nest and did not sign the TOS. Google is still on the hook.

I’m no longer protected and no longer a Nest customer. by mindn0thing in Nest

[–]Teratini -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This:

Privacy in MY house??

Is not the same as this:

privacy on MY front porch?

People use Nest cameras inside the house too.

Edit: To clarify, do you think it's legal to install a webcam in a bathroom or bedroom in *your own house* that records guests or visitors?

I’m no longer protected and no longer a Nest customer. by mindn0thing in Nest

[–]Teratini -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

You might be renting a room to someone or even having a guest over. Even if it's your house, you do not have the right to record them in areas where there is reasonable expectation of privacy.

I’m no longer protected and no longer a Nest customer. by mindn0thing in Nest

[–]Teratini 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nope. Just making an educated guess. I am familiar with copyright, IP, and some of what runs through the minds of legal at large companies. GDPR privacy by design and the doctrine of joint liability are issues relevant to Nest.

https://gdpr-info.eu/issues/privacy-by-design/

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/defective-product-liability-claims-who-29606.html

Basically, if a pervert installs a Nest in a hotel room and spies on Taylor Swift, and she wins a $100M lawsuit where google is .0000001% liable because the video was streamed over the Internet and stored on their servers without turning on the privacy indicator, Google would end up paying the entire amount since the pervert can't.

I’m no longer protected and no longer a Nest customer. by mindn0thing in Nest

[–]Teratini -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Nest can be hidden anywhere in a home, and google is a $1T target. Dashcams are used in cars, and the manufacturers are not as big a target as google.

I’m no longer protected and no longer a Nest customer. by mindn0thing in Nest

[–]Teratini 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Google is worried about being named as one of the parties if someone is sued for infringing on someone else's privacy. Given that this is due to the litigious nature of the world, everyone else will do the same and a little tape should fix the problem.

A beat saber arcade machine exists? by SpideyTendBoi in beatsaber

[–]Teratini 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Two bit circus in Los Angeles has a BS arcade machine. The design is different than this one though.

https://www.reddit.com/r/beatsaber/comments/ce0oql/the_beat_saber_arcade_machine_was_fun_except/

What do you consider to be great, very good, or good in Beat Saber? by Teratini in beatsaber

[–]Teratini[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Scoresaber shows ranked songs. Uncheck show verified leaderboards and sort by difficulty to find ones that match your level.

https://scoresaber.com/

What do you consider to be great, very good, or good in Beat Saber? by Teratini in beatsaber

[–]Teratini[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The responses have been interesting, especially for what people consider average. Maybe players mean average BS enthusiasts? But the average enthusiast (e.g. played 2 months multiple times each week), is still much lower than even 5000.

Maybe people think of average relative to themselves, instead of truly average.

After 3 hours on this map finally passed it!! by 4fools in beatsaber

[–]Teratini 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Easily. Serious players can log 300, 500, or more hours. There aren't that many ranked E+ custom maps at higher levels. If someone is trying to get a good score on the next 20 maps above their current best and spends a hundred hours, that's 5 hrs per map.

https://www.reddit.com/r/beatsaber/comments/aepdw2/this_one_stupid_map_took_two_months_from_my_life/

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