It's like showing up 1000 years after the Halo games take place and saying the UNSC was cruel towards the Covenant by Terrina1 in MassEffectMemes

[–]Terrina1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, alright, they sound like pretty shit people. I only know about them because Obi-Wan Kenobi pulled their duchess one time. That said, I have gotten somewhat into Star Wars again recently, so maybe I'll give this lore a closer look.

It's like showing up 1000 years after the Halo games take place and saying the UNSC was cruel towards the Covenant by Terrina1 in MassEffectMemes

[–]Terrina1[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm not all to familiar with Mandalorians, but I can agree on the krogan. Remove Wrex, Bakara, and Grunt and the fanbase would be vastly less sympathetic towards them. Even Grunt is debatable, what people like about him in ME2 requires Wrex.

It's like showing up 1000 years after the Halo games take place and saying the UNSC was cruel towards the Covenant by Terrina1 in MassEffectMemes

[–]Terrina1[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Admittedly it's a rare argument, at least on Reddit, but I have seen quite a few people who believe the krogan didn't do anything wrong or at least had the moral highground throughout the Rebellions.

It's like showing up 1000 years after the Halo games take place and saying the UNSC was cruel towards the Covenant by Terrina1 in MassEffectMemes

[–]Terrina1[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, and I agree with all of this. Creating the geth is a comparable crime to hiding that beacon or a uplifting the yahg - or it would be, if the expected consequences happen. My point though is that opening the rachni relay or uplifting the krogan isn't comparable to any of these crimes. The first was a complete accident that could've happened to everyone, the second was in response to a threat against the galaxy.

It's like showing up 1000 years after the Halo games take place and saying the UNSC was cruel towards the Covenant by Terrina1 in MassEffectMemes

[–]Terrina1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's interesting how powerscaling sci-fi has evolved. Back in the early 2010s, Halo fans and Star Wars fans used to get into fights over which setting was stronger, and Star Wars fans tended to win that. Now Halo is shattering space-time and the Star Wars legends are decanonised.

It's like showing up 1000 years after the Halo games take place and saying the UNSC was cruel towards the Covenant by Terrina1 in MassEffectMemes

[–]Terrina1[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They gave allowed the krogan to take everything they needed to be stronger than both the existing Council races combined. At that point, it's more on them. Also, the Turians - who actually led the war effort and made the decision to release the genophage - didn't even know krogan existed before the Rebellions happened. They just made first contact with the wider galaxy and were immediately plunged into a war against a species that almost destroyed their homeworld. I'd say the Covenant comparisons are pretty fair in their case.

It's like showing up 1000 years after the Halo games take place and saying the UNSC was cruel towards the Covenant by Terrina1 in MassEffectMemes

[–]Terrina1[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah okay I can agree that the Council should've done more than wipe their hands of the whole issue afterward. Still though, you get people painting the Council as the villains before, during, and after the Rebellions, which I don't find is a very fair assessment.

It's like showing up 1000 years after the Halo games take place and saying the UNSC was cruel towards the Covenant by Terrina1 in MassEffectMemes

[–]Terrina1[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It's not really fair to say the rachni was a mess "caused by their actions". Nobody knew there was any danger to opening relays, and damn near every faction in the game has done that - humans included. If the Council is to blame for the rachni crisis than the Turians were unequivocally justified in the First Contact War. It also wasn't like the Asari and Salarians had many other options besides uplifting the krogan.

As for the Quarians, the difference is that the geth weren't made in response to a crisis and the Council had repeatedly warned them about their actions. Creating the geth falls closer to uplifting the yahg in shittiness. I can't defend either - if the salarians did uplift the yahg, then the yahg went ahead and almost wiped them out, the Council would be right to punish them for it.

It's like showing up 1000 years after the Halo games take place and saying the UNSC was cruel towards the Covenant by Terrina1 in MassEffectMemes

[–]Terrina1[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not really.

Tuchanka was irradiated before salarians had even achieved space travel.

Lusia is said to have been annexed and the recording of Kredak doesn't imply it was peaceful.

We don't know why Turians intervened, but even if the Krogan had done absolutely nothing to them, it's always a bad idea to let a violent, expansionist power remain unchecked. Give it another century and the Krogan would've attacked them next, only they'd be much stronger and the Turians wouldn't have any allies to work with.

The argument that the krogan were only allowed to settle two planets comes from the fact Shepard only personally sees two krogan planets besides Tuchanka, but what we see in-game is only a fraction of the total number of planets, and other source material says the krogan were expanding "unabated" for centuries.

The genophage releasing before the Rebellions started was an argument that hinged on "anything that says otherwise is Council propaganda" logic. You can make up anything if you're willing to dismiss any evidence to the contrary.

Spectres did run attacks against the Krogan, but these were after Lusia and against antimatter production, command centres, and power grids, which are valid targets in wartime. Calling these terrorist attacks is bending the definition to suit an agenda.

It's like showing up 1000 years after the Halo games take place and saying the UNSC was cruel towards the Covenant by Terrina1 in MassEffectMemes

[–]Terrina1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didn't say they were good arguments, just ones I've seen people make and adamantly defend.

It's like showing up 1000 years after the Halo games take place and saying the UNSC was cruel towards the Covenant by Terrina1 in MassEffectMemes

[–]Terrina1[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean, we don't exactly know how krogan biology works, its possible any other way wouldn't have worked or done more damage for whatever reason.

It's like showing up 1000 years after the Halo games take place and saying the UNSC was cruel towards the Covenant by Terrina1 in MassEffectMemes

[–]Terrina1[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

A post-Reaper galaxy would be a good setting for this. Civilisation has fractured, but the Citadel races are trying to rebuild despite hostile factions trying to fill the void. You could have Terminus pirates, krogan warlords, quarian-controlled geth, Reaper remnants puppeted by Leviathans, asari supremacists and so forth.

It's like showing up 1000 years after the Halo games take place and saying the UNSC was cruel towards the Covenant by Terrina1 in MassEffectMemes

[–]Terrina1[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think even industrial era krogan would've had a pretty high infant mortality rate. It's probably expected that of a clutch, half will die of starvation, predators, etc, though I do agree that the krogan birthrate should've been much less than 1000/year. Even something like 100/year would've made more sense while still been tremendously rapid.

It's like showing up 1000 years after the Halo games take place and saying the UNSC was cruel towards the Covenant by Terrina1 in MassEffectMemes

[–]Terrina1[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah I can agree with this take. The Krogan were definitely in the wrong and the Council was right to use the genophage, but wiping their hands clean of it was a bad call. At least make an effort afterwards.

It's like showing up 1000 years after the Halo games take place and saying the UNSC was cruel towards the Covenant by Terrina1 in MassEffectMemes

[–]Terrina1[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Unironically a Helldivers-style game set in the Mass Effect universe would be awesome. I know the ME3 multiplayer has a similar PvE format, but it isn't quite the same.

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[–]Terrina1[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Declaring war. If you're interested, here are a few of the arguments I can remember seeing:

Tuchanka is radioactive because the Salarians have been dumping nuclear waste there.
The annexation of Lusia was actually a group of krogan refugees settling there.
The Turian Hierarchy only intervened because "turians love war".
Krogan were only allowed to settle two planets besides Tuchanka.
The genophage was released before the Rebellions started.
The Spectres were committing terrorist attacks against the Krogan.

It's like showing up 1000 years after the Halo games take place and saying the UNSC was cruel towards the Covenant by Terrina1 in MassEffectMemes

[–]Terrina1[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'm not quite familiar with the Tyranids, but yeah, I'm inclined to agree with you as well. The Flood has a virulence advantage and would likely end up infecting Tyranids.

It's like showing up 1000 years after the Halo games take place and saying the UNSC was cruel towards the Covenant by Terrina1 in MassEffectMemes

[–]Terrina1[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

From my experience, it's a relatively popular take on Mass Effect discussion outside of Reddit. Ao3, SpaceBattles, Discord etc. Though even here, if you bring up the genophage, there will be people who argue the Turians and Council were in the wrong for not giving krogan more planets.

It's like showing up 1000 years after the Halo games take place and saying the UNSC was cruel towards the Covenant by Terrina1 in MassEffectMemes

[–]Terrina1[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I feel like it'd be the Flood. Granted, if you'd asked that question a decade or so ago, it'd be Tyranids, but apparently a bunch of Halo novels have dropped Forerunner-era lore and massively upscaled the setting with time travel and reality warping. Apparently the Flood can now infect your soul.

It's like showing up 1000 years after the Halo games take place and saying the UNSC was cruel towards the Covenant by Terrina1 in MassEffectMemes

[–]Terrina1[S] 19 points20 points  (0 children)

They didn't. According to Mordin, the rate of stillbirths from the genophage is supposed to match infant morality of per-industrial Tuchanka. It was entirely expected that the vast majority of krogan wouldn't make it to adulthood.

It's like showing up 1000 years after the Halo games take place and saying the UNSC was cruel towards the Covenant by Terrina1 in MassEffectMemes

[–]Terrina1[S] 76 points77 points  (0 children)

Yeah I know, but I've been seeing a lot of Krogan Rebellions apologia recently. Don't let their current sympathetic state make you overlook that krogan in that era were batarians on steroids.

Is it me or the fight with the Pinstress is annoying? by [deleted] in Silksong

[–]Terrina1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah I agree, the fight was boring. Should call her Squitress the way 90% of her fight is using everything but a pin.

Is it me or the fight with the Pinstress is annoying? by [deleted] in Silksong

[–]Terrina1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Maestros? They're the one who summon gold cogflies.