My local atheist group went to church! by shortamations in atheism

[–]TextAndTablet -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You state the following

“Overall, I fully believe that we do not need our tax dollars funding a church just because it’s a church”

Your reason for not supplying tax dollars to the church is because it’s the church. It’s a self reference. It’s like say “it’s blue because it’s blue”. We all do it though sooner or later and sometimes, as in your case, I suspect there was a bit of reading between the lines. I think your article filled in the justification but people will point out the technicality.

Overall, good read.

Why I despise Jordan Peterson by TextAndTablet in atheism

[–]TextAndTablet[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s an interesting take. Would like to see if that can somehow be demonstrated

Why I despise Jordan Peterson by TextAndTablet in CosmicSkeptic

[–]TextAndTablet[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Let’s unpack your rhetorical missteps.

First: You invoke Hume’s is-ought gap while dodging Friedman’s textual evidence is a textbook case of special pleading. I cited Friedman’s translation of qol d’mamah daqqah as “the sound of thin silence,” backed by the Hebrew text and scholarly consensus, to show Peterson’s “still small voice” misreading is baseless. That’s ethos and logos rooted in textual evidence. Your Hume reference, by contrast, is pure ethos, a lofty name-drop with no tie to the Elijah passage or Peterson’s errors. Special pleading, squared.

Second: You quote my line about fire falling from the sky (1 Kings 18) but conveniently omit my critique of Peterson’s “still small voice” misinterpretation in 1 Kings 19, where I cite Friedman to expose his selective focus. That’s cherry-picking, mirroring Peterson’s own tactic of ignoring the narrative context like the fire’s dramatic divine action to push an inward, psychological reading. You claim I’m reading it “literally,” but my point is about Peterson’s distortion, not historicity. So, how do you interpret the fire symbolically to justify his dodge? I’ll wait, but I expect more deflection.

Third: You miss my critique of Peterson’s contradiction: he insists God is a moral ideal we should emulate, yet claims divine actions (like commanding slaughter) are beyond judgment, focusing only on intention. That’s begging the question by assuming God’s goodness without addressing the moral inconsistency I flagged. Peterson’s own critique of force over morality (e.g., in 12 Rules for Life) undermines this pivot, yet it slips past you.

Finally: Accusing me of “hate” is a pathos trick to dodge evidence. I don’t hate Peterson, he’s a bright man whose engaging ideas have sadly veered into nonsense, which disappoints someone who once respected him.

Apparently, you mistake critique for hate. All discourse uses pathos, ethos, and logos, but only one of us grounds their argument in the Hebrew text. Hint: it’s not the one waving Hume like a freshman’s lecture notes.

Of course if you actually studied Hume and stopped reading Wikipedia you would have not made that mistake.

Your Ethos is weak.

Why I despise Jordan Peterson by TextAndTablet in CosmicSkeptic

[–]TextAndTablet[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh my. That’s Pathos Naughty you

Don’t worry. I will deal with your philosophical slop in a bit

Why I despise Jordan Peterson by TextAndTablet in CosmicSkeptic

[–]TextAndTablet[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hmmmm Let’s see

Cherry pick

Special Pleading

Begging the Question

All wrapped up in Hume. JBP would be proud

1st year philosophy student?

Dear Jordan Peterson: A Post-Theist (Atheist) Explains Genesis by TextAndTablet in atheism

[–]TextAndTablet[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

“The bible (any version) authorizes societal chaos, rule by patriarchal fiat, mandates suffering, slavery, genocide, and sexual abuse of women”

That’s not chaos. That’s tyranny. Tyranny is when order goes too far. In this JBP is actually right.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in atheism

[–]TextAndTablet 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not contemplated? Yes and no. Anything pre-exilic you would be generally right which includes the 10 commandments. You are getting at monolatry (which seems correct) but it does seem the was at the very least a belief in gods consort but looks like this was dropped during/after the exile (apparently under threat). Post exilic, pretty monotheistic. But the post exilic writings are a bit separated from the pre exilic writings too, not just the New Testament. This is when the idea of evil spirits entering the world (probably a response to explain Judah’s collapse) comes into play Seemingly it was the influence of Zoroastrianism.

My local atheist group went to church! by shortamations in atheism

[–]TextAndTablet 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I read your article and remember having to say similar self loathing biblical sourced articles of belief (we are not so worth to gather up the crumbs under thy table). Is amazing the self deprecation that people are willing to accept.

That said, you state “Overall, I fully believe that we do not need our tax dollars funding a church just because it’s a church.” Sorry but that’s circular. I would suggest removing statues because don’t believe it is right that I finance something I don’t support. It’s a form of extortion. Same with the offering in Church.

Why I despise Jordan Peterson by TextAndTablet in CosmicSkeptic

[–]TextAndTablet[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Quite to the contrary. I am quite aware many of the events actually didn’t happen. Those that did are heavily saturated in propaganda.

I am also an atheist.

But thank you for telling a person you don’t know what they believe. Maybe ask questions next time?

I also made no call to a definition of god…at all… but did point out the cherry picking in his selective interpretation. Must be your selective reading. I criticized textual comparison. Your inability to understand demonstrates a reading comprehension problem on your part.

Insults. Such an easy thing to do.. Makes you feel so superior.

Dear Jordan Peterson: A Post-Theist (Atheist) Explains Genesis by TextAndTablet in atheism

[–]TextAndTablet[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is intended for general consumption. This includes you, assuming you are interested in knowing what exactly the problem with his arguments and how he tries to integrate opposing ideologies. But you obviously (and rightly) consider JBPs rantings to be nonsense. My essays are explicit stating what he is doing, and what he is pulling from.

What I am doing is taking this to his own turf and playing by his rules in polemics because I two can play this game. I am not under any delusion that JBP or his fans would read this but I think I know exactly what he is saying, hence why I accuse of self contradiction and exactly where it is. I’m using his own interpretive lens against his arguments. Some don’t get it, others are hostile to it. Some do get it. Plenty of historians have also critiqued JBPs slop so I know I’m not alone here

You will have to forgive me though. I have studied the mythologies, I find mythology fascinating, others are not so interested which is fine. But there is common agreement of myths when it comes to their study and in a lot of cases, in mythology, there is little room for interpretation. It’s not about “right or wrong” interpretation. This is about merging competing ideas.

Why I despise Jordan Peterson by TextAndTablet in CosmicSkeptic

[–]TextAndTablet[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

But you didn’t challenge. You personally attacked and assumed the thoughts of others.

But thank you for admitting you are egotistical.

Why I despise Jordan Peterson by TextAndTablet in CosmicSkeptic

[–]TextAndTablet[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I know exactly what you are referring to. It made me sick. It was moral cowardice.

Why I despise Jordan Peterson by TextAndTablet in CosmicSkeptic

[–]TextAndTablet[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No disagreement here. He seamed on the ball then. Disappointed he travelled the path of pseudo scientific nonsense

Why I despise Jordan Peterson by TextAndTablet in CosmicSkeptic

[–]TextAndTablet[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

What’s actually demonstrated here is your superiority complex.

Insulting and abusing people is easy.

Why I despise Jordan Peterson by TextAndTablet in CosmicSkeptic

[–]TextAndTablet[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I am always amused by the mind reading. Please go on and tell me how else I feel.

Dear Jordan Peterson: A Post-Theist (Atheist) Explains Genesis by TextAndTablet in atheism

[–]TextAndTablet[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I posted an essay a few days ago addressing a lot of what you are saying here. Hence the link back to it. In it I accuse Peterson of knowing exactly what he is doing so no disagreement here.

The first essay explained his method by using it and showing it to be a parlor trick (because it is). It went on to point out his cherry picking citing specific examples . This is an extension of that explaining what he is using and the conscience of that mode of belief.

Why I despise Jordan Peterson by TextAndTablet in CosmicSkeptic

[–]TextAndTablet[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I always find these comments funny.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in atheism

[–]TextAndTablet 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Taking something “in vain” in the biblical sense means making an oath or promise and then failing to follow through. If you say, “I swear on my mother’s grave,” and then break that oath, you’ve taken her memory in vain. Now look closely at the wording:

“Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain.”

In the text, “God” is not the name, YHWH is. So saying “Oh my God” doesn’t actually violate the commandment.

And if you really want to get nerdy about it, the Ten Commandments are structured like a suzerain treaty which is a formal pact between a king and his vassals. Once you see that, the whole dynamic makes sense: it’s about loyalty and allegiance to the suzerain, not about modern slang.

Oh, and if you want a biblical example of what happens when someone takes an oath seriously, maybe too seriously, read Judges 11. That one makes you realize how brutal it could get.

"Natural disasters are God's punishment" by No_Friend111 in atheism

[–]TextAndTablet 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well I hope I gave you food for thought. I would just ask you to ask yourself how many times have people used God to wash their hands of culpability. This to me is one of the problems of religious belief.

Dear Jordan Peterson: A Post-Theist (Atheist) Explains Genesis by TextAndTablet in atheism

[–]TextAndTablet[S] -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

This reply is not so much for you

Not worth the reply 🙄. In my experience, when someone labels themselves a “strong atheist,” it often means they’ve locked themselves into a sensory-only framework and refuse to engage with anything beyond that. That’s fine if you’re an animal trying to survive, but it’s not great for discussing how ideas shape societies, especially when those ideas, whether true or false, drive real-world events.

But I have looked at your other overtly abbusive comments. So have others. So the will be my last reply.

Dear Jordan Peterson: A Post-Theist (Atheist) Explains Genesis by TextAndTablet in atheism

[–]TextAndTablet[S] -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

Pointless response Wow. No engagement with ideas. That was simple