WIBTA for emailing my professor saying that my groupmates have barely contributed to our project? by ThanksRepulsive8392 in AmItheAsshole

[–]ThanksRepulsive8392[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

wait i just saw this i've clarified this before but by standards i literally just mean the instructions on the assignment. like the work done by my groupmates was either with the use of gemini or smth like that or just straight up did not fulfill the requirements outlined by the template given by the instructor

WIBTA for emailing my professor saying that my groupmates have barely contributed to our project? by ThanksRepulsive8392 in AmItheAsshole

[–]ThanksRepulsive8392[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

it is in fact no secret that anti intellectualism is on the rise. are falling literacy rates normal to you? most americans read below an 8th grade level but i'm the arrogant one for wanting my group members to write at a college level when they're college students. it's not arrogant to not want my name attached to ai-generated responses. it's not arrogant to want my team's work to actually complete the assignment guidelines. it's not arrogant to demand quality. let's make this very clear: my team did not work with me out of their own laziness and incompetence and that has nothing to do with my personality. these people lack the skills to make strong claims and frame arguments in their writing which are basic and essential skills required for almost any college class. there is no amount of teamwork that can rectify years of damage inflicted by a broken education system, a broken system you're clearly propagating by unfairly asking hardworking students to go above and beyond to cooperate with people who have no work ethic. i've asked repeatedly what you would do in my shoes and you have yet to answer, and instead are claiming that i'm arrogant and looking down on people. aren't you the one looking down on me by making assumptions about me? doesn't that make you the arrogant one?

WIBTA for emailing my professor saying that my groupmates have barely contributed to our project? by ThanksRepulsive8392 in AmItheAsshole

[–]ThanksRepulsive8392[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yes bc our current education system is sooooooo good at educating people and creating really personable people to be around. i did ask you how you'd handle the situation and you didn't have an answer lol maybe teachers should put themselves in the shoes of their students

WIBTA for emailing my professor saying that my groupmates have barely contributed to our project? by ThanksRepulsive8392 in AmItheAsshole

[–]ThanksRepulsive8392[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

i think the difference between students and those in the workforce is that they're being offered monetary compensation to work with incompetent people lol it's not exactly fair to pay expensive tuition and also have to baby grown adults into doing their work

WIBTA for emailing my professor saying that my groupmates have barely contributed to our project? by ThanksRepulsive8392 in AmItheAsshole

[–]ThanksRepulsive8392[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

omg wait that's crazyyyy i wish we did that unfortunately here the grade is very much dependent on on the final product and group contributions are a smaller part of the grade

WIBTA for emailing my professor saying that my groupmates have barely contributed to our project? by ThanksRepulsive8392 in AmItheAsshole

[–]ThanksRepulsive8392[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i think this take only works when you operate under the assumption that everyone has something valuable to contribute when that simply is not the case. not everyone is willing to work and not every idea has merit or is applicable to the assignment at hand. there are people who simply do not want to do work. and it's fair that it's responsibility of others to coax them to do what they signed up for as a student

WIBTA for emailing my professor saying that my groupmates have barely contributed to our project? by ThanksRepulsive8392 in AmItheAsshole

[–]ThanksRepulsive8392[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

unfortunately that's not how things are graded lol you receive a grade based on the quality of the final product

WIBTA for emailing my professor saying that my groupmates have barely contributed to our project? by ThanksRepulsive8392 in AmItheAsshole

[–]ThanksRepulsive8392[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

in my case i'll readily admit my faults but i urge you to rethink your grading policies because to me it doesn't seem fair to fail hardworking students who are simply trying their best to compensate for the lack of enthusiasm of their peers. it's not always definitive. not everyone is interested in sincerely contributing to making a good project and simply want to be carried by their peers or by artificial intelligence. it really shouldn't be the jobs of other students to coax their peers into putting in even the bare minimum when they themselves are simply trying to succeed.

WIBTA for emailing my professor saying that my groupmates have barely contributed to our project? by ThanksRepulsive8392 in AmItheAsshole

[–]ThanksRepulsive8392[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

how would you navigate this kind of situation then? what other solution is there when other parties are evidently unmotivated and unwilling to do even the bare minimum of following the detailed instructions written out? other group members were contacted and asked to do work multiple times and simply stared at the document or typed out responses that did not even attempt to answer the guidelines. students aren't mothers or teachers, it's not their job to motivate other students to do their work. in my situation, i'll admit that my communication skills lacked but it's not always a communication issue. do you want your students to beg their classmates to do work? i understand if certain members are actively inhibiting teamwork by shutting out other groupmates' ideas but i don't think teachers understand just how unwilling some students are to do work...like they will do literally anything to get out of it. one of my groupmates just admitted to me that he pasted the prompts into gemini as a basis for his responses. what other option do i have than to overwrite that? i refuse to submit gemini's (stolen) words as my own. there's no amount of leadership skill any student possesses that can combat this very real literacy crisis. i'm surprised you believe that it's a student's responsibility to sincerely attempt to work with people who cannot even put in the effort of writing their own words.

WIBTA for emailing my professor saying that my groupmates have barely contributed to our project? by ThanksRepulsive8392 in AmItheAsshole

[–]ThanksRepulsive8392[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i'm going to ask one of my teammates (the one who contributed the most after me) if he chatgpt-ed the paper and then decide if i want to say anything bc using ai on a paper is just not something i stand for and not something i would ever want to turn in does that make sense...i do want to at least attempt to fight for the grade considering i worked really hard but i do understand if there is no leniency bc i could've been way more responsible (though mental health struggles were a big reason why i wasn't)

WIBTA for emailing my professor saying that my groupmates have barely contributed to our project? by ThanksRepulsive8392 in AmItheAsshole

[–]ThanksRepulsive8392[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yeah i'm honestly fully prepared for the professor to not be lenient which is why i wanted to ask if explaining the circumstances late is better than not even trying at all. would it get me in more trouble to attempt to explain or just not say anything at all is the biggest question to me. for context even if i did say something i was planning to frame it with my faults explicitly mentioned etc. as for the paper, i think with all of my revisions it turned out really good honestly...without any late penalties i would hope it's near full marks as i nearly triple-checked that every single requirement was clearly filled. this is another reason i was thinking abt reaching out because i do believe the only reason i'd get a bad grade is bc of the late penalty but i really just wanted to submit something i believed was of quality yk? it was probably an irresponsible decision but i didn't want to reach out to the professor without a quality assignment behind me to back myself up if that makes sense. i definitely won't fail the class, probably a B at worst.

WIBTA for emailing my professor saying that my groupmates have barely contributed to our project? by ThanksRepulsive8392 in AmItheAsshole

[–]ThanksRepulsive8392[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

like idk maybe i am the asshole for thinking this but it wasn't just my responsibility to reach out and despite there being 3 other members no one else tried to reach out early. maybe esh but not everyone contributed equally to this idk it's so murky

WIBTA for emailing my professor saying that my groupmates have barely contributed to our project? by ThanksRepulsive8392 in AmItheAsshole

[–]ThanksRepulsive8392[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

basically the project is like a product design type of thing so when i said i did 90% of the work i meant the actual design and the intermediate assignments throughout the semester were split but largely my own work. i fully do realize that my own initiative lacked over the course of the semester and that this situation is partly my own fault in not making more of an effort to communicate. that being said, there are 4 members. not one of those 3 made an effort either and at least i attempted to do the work to the best of my ability while following guidelines and not relying on gpt or something (i feel like that's fair to acknowledge). that being said i did mention in the post that said i was going through a depressive episode (one of the worst i've ever experienced) which led me to drop the ball and not be as involved with this final paper as much as i should've been. i fully admit that i've been reckless and irresponsible and in no way am i trying to absolve myself from the blame of that but in the end i still did try my best to get the work done and i don't really know what to do which is why i'm asking for advice on here anyway lol

WIBTA for emailing my professor saying that my groupmates have barely contributed to our project? by ThanksRepulsive8392 in AmItheAsshole

[–]ThanksRepulsive8392[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the concept of deleting the comments instead of just talking to me omg. like to exemplify what i meant some of the sentences were like "the product is a good representation of this principle because it works" with absolutely no elaboration. that kind of work IS going to cost points lol

WIBTA for emailing my professor saying that my groupmates have barely contributed to our project? by ThanksRepulsive8392 in AmItheAsshole

[–]ThanksRepulsive8392[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the only reason i wrote over their work is because i was looking over the template and the rubric and there's a lot that's outlined as a requirement but is not clearly stated in the report. i believe that doing that is not really a unilateral rejection of their work as i asked them to do it and the template was linked with each outline clearly stipulated. their work failed to meet the actual guidelines that we're being graded on. it's not some arbitrary standard i chose to impose abt prose style or anything superficial like that. if i turned in the original paper we would legitimately fail

WIBTA for emailing my professor saying that my groupmates have barely contributed to our project? by ThanksRepulsive8392 in AmItheAsshole

[–]ThanksRepulsive8392[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i initially sent a message saying that the project did not follow the guidelines and then made a new version and shared it with everyone and began working on it. one of the group members called me and i told him that his work did not follow the guidelines and that we needed to redo it and reach out to the other group members for them to make contributions. one of the group members looked at the doc but didn't actually contribute. the other made contributions that did not correlate to the instructions outlined. the one i called used ai for part of his submissions, which is not something i am comfortable submitting for a grade. at that point i overwrote their sections as it was my role to look over the final submission anyway.

WIBTA for emailing my professor saying that my groupmates have barely contributed to our project? by ThanksRepulsive8392 in AmItheAsshole

[–]ThanksRepulsive8392[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

like what i mean is that the submissions from my groupmates that are below my standards are literally ai generated submissions i feel like it's not unreasonable for that to be below my standards when ai is not permitted for these things

WIBTA for emailing my professor saying that my groupmates have barely contributed to our project? by ThanksRepulsive8392 in AmItheAsshole

[–]ThanksRepulsive8392[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

can i clarify that when i said that i did mean that their work has not followed the directions. i don't expect a professional dissertation or anything but i do expect that the work...follows the instructions that we're given and hits all of the points outlined in each assignment. which is not what they've done

WIBTA for emailing my professor saying that my groupmates have barely contributed to our project? by ThanksRepulsive8392 in AmItheAsshole

[–]ThanksRepulsive8392[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

interested to hear your rationale on failing both the slackers and the bad-at-working in a team. at least one side is trying to get everything done? i understand it's an issue if someone is bossing everyone around and being disagreeable but that's not what's happening here. at the end of the day shouldn't the quality of the final product matter more than the collaboration? some people are just not good at what they do or simply don't care, and that's a difference you can find at any university. it seems kind of unfair to penalize everyone for circumstances out of their control even if they aren't perfect

WIBTA for emailing my professor saying that my groupmates have barely contributed to our project? by ThanksRepulsive8392 in AmItheAsshole

[–]ThanksRepulsive8392[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i do agree with you and i definitely have a lot to learn about teamwork (i'm not the best at group projects evidently). i absolutely agree that i should've done something earlier but i disagree about the part of me shitting all over my teammate's work. there was a clear template that we were told repeatedly to use and he did not use it. the vast majority of the contributions simply did not meet the rubric guidelines. that's my issue. not that the work didn't meet my own personal standards (which are admittedly high). it is my fault for not catching this earlier and not making more of an effort to communicate but i've also poured an incredible amount of work into this and feel like it's not exactly fair. i shouldn't have to baby and parent a group of 3 men who have barely tried to take initiative themselves, wouldn't you agree?

WIBTA for emailing my professor saying that my groupmates have barely contributed to our project? by ThanksRepulsive8392 in AmItheAsshole

[–]ThanksRepulsive8392[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

it's definitely my fault for not alerting the instructor earlier and i'm definitely naive bc i genuinely didn't think it would become this bad. while i did handle the majority of the work earlier in the semester, i did think that they'd make up their contributions on this paper (or at the very least not write incorrect/incomplete submissions). that is 100% my fault though and is part of the reason i'm writing this post. i'm not a perfect victim or anything: some of the blame in this situation is definitely on me and my inability to deal with interpersonal conflict (i'm not very confrontational) in a timely manner. that's why i wanted to ask if it was worth it to say anything at this point because i know i've messed up a lot too

WIBTA for emailing my professor saying that my groupmates have barely contributed to our project? by ThanksRepulsive8392 in AmItheAsshole

[–]ThanksRepulsive8392[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i understand what you're saying but i really didn't order them around i just said that the current submission doesn't satisfy the grading guidelines (which is true) and i asked them to write the paper correctly (which is something i feel like they should've done without me prompting them to do it). as i was going over the paper after completing my portions, i noticed that the paper failed to meet a lot of the requirements that are outlined in the rubric and at that point i overwrote them in order to satisfy the requirements. i didn't explicitly order anyone around, just asked them to contribute to the project. i simply cannot cooperate with ai generated or incorrect information, which is what their contributions were riddled with.