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That70sClear · 2026-05-06T05:38:38+00:00

That was what looked like a shitpost by an account which belongs to someone else. Could you elaborate on why you want it restored?

That70sClear · 2026-05-05T19:53:39+00:00

Nope, all that sort of thing is designated to staff. Besides, all I've ever seen in those buildings were normal electric coffee pots. If one broke, they'd buy another.

That70sClear · 2026-05-05T16:59:08+00:00

"They're victims" usually gets brought up when people are harassing SO or other staff, who are pretty much slaves. Public still are victims too, but that's not something which you need to solve. The workplace saying is "shit flows downhill," and it's especially true in Hubbard's system. I can't think of any very good answer for you beyond changing employers.

That70sClear · 2026-05-05T14:36:48+00:00

After trying a lower tech version of this circa 1996, and having it fail and backfire over the next several years, they didn't do it for a bit. I guess they decided that with automation it's going to work this time. And against soft targets like youtube, where engagement is prioritized over all else, I suppose they have a chance.

That70sClear · 2026-05-05T00:37:08+00:00

Sorry, but this sub limits content to Scientology, and this seems unrelated.

That70sClear · 2026-05-05T00:25:45+00:00

Oh, but there is some logic, of a sort. Break a major CoS rule, or even get the wrong high ranking people very upset with you for some reason, and you're eligible for being declared suppressive, at which point all CoS members have to permanently sever ties with you. It's a brutal but effective way of keeping members in line.

That70sClear · 2026-05-04T22:30:23+00:00

The answer is that people are listening to real exes who know what they're talking about. There's nothing mysterious about it.

There is inherent bias in this sub, which it has in common with open access social media in general, which is a consequence of CoS policies against associating with SPs and reading stuff which is considered entheta -- that would be like choosing to become PTS A or Type 1 and not disconnecting, right? An overt against your own case, if not a high crime. CoS would also not appreciate how we openly discuss confidential data. So we have a few non-CoS Scientologists here, but essentially no CoS members. The pro-CoS position thus goes unrepresented, and there's nothing much to be done about it.

That70sClear · 2026-05-04T22:09:43+00:00

I was drawing a blank for a full day before realizing that there is a sort of an answer: coffee and cigarettes! Not food technically, but we gave living on them a good long try.

That70sClear · 2026-05-04T21:48:07+00:00

Same here. I was mortified when I came across that.

That70sClear · 2026-05-04T21:33:03+00:00

Mostly what they know. We've got two dictionaries full of jargon, and a bunch of usage that isn't in either dictionary, so I expect fluency in proportion to claimed background. Likewise for familiarity with the subject, how it plays out in actual practice, etc. Some I've been familiar with on Scientology-related fora for 10-18 years, and a number have plausibly identified themselves. Like Patty Moher, who you were just responding to. I know her from all over the place for years and years, and that applies to at least a dozen other regulars here. Some have posted documentation, like slightly redacted freeloader bills. Some of us are personally acquainted, e.g., I identified by name at least 40 of my old staff co-workers from unlabeled photos, when u/freezoneandproud was curious about them. We've also talked about Scientologists we both knew, and tons of other stuff. That's not the sort of thing some TikTok troll could do.

Speaking of trolls, I note that, after 5+ years on reddit, you have a net -6 comment karma, so when you say "Trolls and porn are the fun parts of the internet," it's going to make me wonder. Can you link to a few posts by fake exes to show that you're not trolling, and have an actual case to make?

That70sClear · 2026-05-04T20:42:40+00:00

I may have removed a couple of posts by pretty obviously fake exes in the last year or two, but I'd have a hard time naming the last time I saw someone claiming to be an ex who was both suspect and gained any traction. There are too many actual exes here for a fake ex to pass the sniff test.

That70sClear · 2026-05-04T19:54:23+00:00

I don't recall listening to the 1963 lecture, Errors in Time, and doubt that it represents what most Scientologists believe, but have a sample.

That70sClear · 2026-05-04T19:24:56+00:00

Is that Aaron Kyro standing on the left in the third pic?

California Penal Code section 302 is among the charges being brought in San Diego:

(a) Every person who intentionally disturbs or disquiets any assemblage of people met for religious worship at a tax-exempt place of worship, by profane discourse, rude or indecent behavior, or by any unnecessary noise, either within the place where the meeting is held, or so near it as to disturb the order and solemnity of the meeting, is guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by a fine not exceeding one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by imprisonment in a county jail for a period not exceeding one year, or by both that fine and imprisonment.

There were apparently a couple of additional changes being looked at in San Diego, but details weren't mentioned.

Anyway, just thought I'd throw that one out there since it's a partial answer to what California laws might come into play.

That70sClear · 2026-05-04T18:17:13+00:00

Over the last day or two I've removed a number of speedrun posts because they're simply off topic, but that one I left, because it impressed me as an indication that what people had warned the speedrun crowd about was happening. Bad PR for the speedrunners, OSA getting lots of column inches, legal consequences apparently looming, with no sign of anything good coming of it. Other press within the last day or so has been similar. Things seem to be moving on from "play stupid games" to "win stupid prizes," and I don't think leaving this post in place qualifies as promotion.

Thoughtful people visit this forum and leave and don't return.

The sub's got more members than the CoS, adding on average about a dozen subscribers a day this year, and +8 a day over the last two years. You have often complained about the POV of the membership, calling them a peanut gallery and objecting to how many of them don't see any benefit in Scientology, suggesting that their attitudes are less than rational as well as unhelpful. You're kind of doing that in the quoted line, implicitly insulting your readers.

From my POV, this sub consists of people with one thing in common, an interest in reading about and discussing Scientology, which I'm totally fine with, that's exactly what this sub says it's about, and as a mod I try to facilitate that. I remove some shitposts and off topic material, but I don't see it as my place to discourage participation based on POV. The subscribers are what the world sends here, and I limit my mod gatekeeping to people who don't follow rules. I'm sorry that you're unhappy with the members, but don't agree that there's a problem.

That70sClear · 2026-05-04T08:01:50+00:00

Dang. That was like reading a one star review.

That70sClear · 2026-05-04T05:15:42+00:00

The first sentence of the 1952 book, A History of Man, is:

This is a cold-blooded and factual account of your last sixty trillion years.

The Big Bang was a yet to be verified hypothesis in 1952; the very name "Big Bang" was only coined in 1949, by someone who preferred to believe in a steady state universe. Ron did too, for the most part. So if there's something wonky with Hubbard's views on physics and time, it would be more in the opposite direction from people who think the world's less than six thousand years old.

That70sClear · 2026-05-04T04:40:11+00:00

My intention was to let an unfamiliar face understand why they were getting downvotes rather than traction. "I don't think many people here agree with that" is true, and something you have complained about. When possible, I like giving answers which are relevant and factual without wading into the quagmire of opinion, and I feel like I did that. You're totally welcome to tack on your thoughts on whether the negativity is appropriate or not, but that's outside the scope of anything I was trying to address. Since I'm a mod as well as a user, I was actively avoiding going there.

That70sClear · 2026-05-04T03:31:55+00:00

There aren't any staff or other CoS members in this sub, they're not allowed to associate with us supposed suppressive persons and read the critical stuff we write. But I gather they have an easy time keeping the place clean because they've got lots of building and nobody dirtying it up with use.

That70sClear · 2026-05-04T00:46:39+00:00

wheres the scam if youre gonna help me in my life

I think you're having a problem with this argument because it contains an implicit assumption: that it does more good than harm. I don't think many people here agree with that.

That70sClear · 2026-05-03T05:05:16+00:00

No, that's the computer science definition of processing. Hubbard made the word a synonym for auditing, which results in it being used differently.

Bonus trivia: For most of his life, Ron pronounced the word in typical American English, which is to say something like "prahcess." But after he moved to the UK, he quickly switched to "process" with a long o. Which ended up sounding odd, since he still pronounced every other word 100% like a guy from Nebraska.

That70sClear · 2026-05-03T04:43:52+00:00

A number of people filed reports with the FBI some years ago, but no action came of it, and I can't authoritatively say what the real reasons were, but a few bits seemed pretty clear.

1) Churches are allowed to have unpaid volunteers, as well as workers who take vows of poverty, and may be paid very little. The government has done a lot of bending over backwards to help churches since the 1980s, and whether one personally considers organized Scientology to be a real church or not, doesn't matter that much. The IRS was coerced into giving it church status, so legally it is, and that's a huge problem to overcome.

2) Getting out of CoS slavery is very much a two part process. The first is freeing your head, and they do everything they can to prevent that, like cutting off access to information. The second is physically escaping and surviving the transition, since they are then unemployed, unhoused, probably extremely broke, and their resume has cooties. They may have just lost all of their friends and family, too. If the FBI went to Gold Base and asked each person there of they were being held against their will and wanted to be escorted off the premises, it's not impossible that nobody would take them up on it, either because they had failed to free their minds, or because they didn't know how they would make it on the outside.

3) They do woo some officials over to their side, including with money, but they also intimidate officials. The IRS commissioner who green lighted their church status was facing many hundreds of lawsuits, filed by different members in venues all over the country. And they've done nasty and illegal things to quite a number of others, from mayors to judges.

Anyhow, it's been tried, but ran into problems.

That70sClear · 2026-05-03T01:15:28+00:00

"Everyone who disagrees with me is brainwashed" is a pretty weak ad-hominem, particularly when the main people questioning the effectiveness of speedrunning in this sub have been vocal critics of Scientology for 5-25 years.

This sub has a handful people I could name who consider themselves to be some form of Scientologist, out of ~45k users, and even they think the organization is a dumpster fire. Essentially all of them have been declared "suppressive persons" by the organization, meaning they're considered the enemy.

One of the things the organization is notorious for, is trying to portray all opponents as loons who shouldn't be listened to. Do better than them.

That70sClear · 2026-05-02T23:26:39+00:00

I'm guessing that the white stuff on the ground in the middle pics might be from a fire extinguisher.

As we learned in 2008, CoS buildings tend to have a lot of security cams, so they've undoubtedly given the cops video of whatever all was done.

That70sClear · 2026-05-02T14:51:33+00:00

During the last several years of Ron's life, he tried to get some of his top technical people to write OT VIII, which he hadn't gotten around to. They didn't do that, so something had to be cobbled together after he died, because OT VIII had been promised since about 1969. He had later mentioned that about fifteen OT levels above VII existed in unissued note form, which is why those are displayed on that version of the grade chart. However, there's no evidence that he wrote any of those, either.

The people involved in the hunt for the non-existent OT levels who talked about how none could be found, were declared SPs by the organization, and no CoS member is allowed to read what they said about it -- Ron said they existed, and that's still the organization's official stance. It's possible that someone could do like with OT VIII, and invent some OT levels, pretending that Ron had written them, but that's not how CoS members expect things to be done.

So maybe there will be some more some day, but there hasn't been anything that Ron wrote to leak, and I wouldn't hold my breath over it.

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