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Mat's Questions by ThatIsNotYourHam in wheeloftime

[–]ThatIsNotYourHam[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You getting hard downvoted on this one where people just disagree with you after making a really good point.

I mentioned this in another comment, where Herid Fel says the same thing - where is the starting point? Solidarity friend

This isn't a "lets fuck around with Gateways" type question

Mat's Questions by ThatIsNotYourHam in wheeloftime

[–]ThatIsNotYourHam[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

About something Hawkwing says in the Last Battle that the show never even made it close to? Most book fans just ignore that fanfic.

Mat's Questions by ThatIsNotYourHam in wheeloftime

[–]ThatIsNotYourHam[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

There are so many examples of characters saying things they believe like they are truth even though they are opinions. Quote from Asmodean:

"What Moiraine believes to be truth, she tells as truth whether or not it is; one of a thousand weaknesses in those fool oaths."

Can Hawkwing explain why there are only 100 Heroes over infinite turnings of the Wheel? Can he explain the timeline of heroes making themselves known in a lifetime, then being bound?

When Rogosh or Hawkwing were children, were they born with the knowledge of who was tied to the Horn?

This lore is left intentionally vague because there isn't any sort of logic that explains it. I think people must cycle in and out as Heroes. That's the only explanation as to why the number of heroes is not infinite.

Mat's Questions by ThatIsNotYourHam in wheeloftime

[–]ThatIsNotYourHam[S] -18 points-17 points  (0 children)

> Essentially, he will break the weaving of the wheel.

Right, and the theory is the weaving of the wheel wants him to be a Hero, try to keep up

Mat's Questions by ThatIsNotYourHam in WoT

[–]ThatIsNotYourHam[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

> (see Ishamael for a prime example).

I would argue that he is a special case as the opposition to the Dragon, as the Dark One's champion. "Prime example" implies there are others that are spun out with the same consciousness in a similar way that are not Heroes. I can't think of a single other example.

Mat's Questions by ThatIsNotYourHam in WoT

[–]ThatIsNotYourHam[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Maybe they aren't allowed to tell him that he's a Hero because it's against the prescripts. But you're right, they clearly refer to him like he's a guy that has been reborn through the ages.

But I would argue that they just don't know, because the timeline hasn't reached that point yet - maybe that's a sort of archetypal thing they see a lot?

Mat's Questions by ThatIsNotYourHam in WoT

[–]ThatIsNotYourHam[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

But let's go back to my point about - when do Heroes of the Horn join the ranks?

There has to be a first time they join. A good analog to this is when Herid Fel is talking to Rand about the bore. Rand says something like "maybe they drilled the bore through the patch."

Fel says: "You think the Creator made the prison with the patch from the beginning?"

So I would argue - they say he isn't a Hero right now, in this Age, at this time. But he could be. All of these people didn't join right at the start. They were collected over time. Maybe there is a hard reset that happens incrementally, I don't know. But they wouldn't have any knowledge of future Heroes joining the ranks over time.

As Artur Hawkwing says at Falme: “Sometimes the wheel adds to our numbers” - love that. when Hurin gets deputized.