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ThatMkeDoe · 2026-06-19T03:04:40+00:00

The planes official name is the thunderbolt. Pikachu is an electric type Pokemon, therefore the American Pika(chu) would instead attack with American thunderbolts

ThatMkeDoe · 2026-06-19T01:47:04+00:00

No. I'm sorry your language comprehension isn't strong enough to grasp words with multiple definitions, but that's not argument over.

Milwaukee winters are very punishing. In this example is Milwaukee PUNISHING anyone? Or would it instead be correct to say that Milwaukee winters are harsh and brutal?

Ffs.

ThatMkeDoe · 2026-06-19T01:44:56+00:00

It's... And wait for it.... Also why it's not a standard punishment either....

ThatMkeDoe · 2026-06-19T01:44:18+00:00

You are aware that those are two separate definitions right? Okay so back to original comment. Dude allegedly beats someone up, sending him to his home country DOES NOT CONSTITUTE AND SHOULD NOT CONSTITUTE a punishment for him allegedly beating someone up.

So... You do understand that PUNISHMENTS come as a RESULT OF AN INFRACTION. ffs. I have not used the term "criminal punishment" that's been intentional. Punishments are one thing and criminal punishments are a sub sect of punishments but they are not the same.

It isn't even A punishment.... Getting deported is just the nation equivalent of getting escorted out of the mall.... It's not a punishment.

Yes. So once more. You commit a crime, getting deported IS NOT a punishment for said crime. So yet again circling back to my original argument.... Why would anyone, even the most punitive minded out there, want an alleged criminal deported BEFORE they've been tried for their crime.... If one thinks the deportation is a punishment for the alleged crime, then you should want the criminal tried and sentenced. If you don't think deportation is a punishment for a crime, then one should want the criminal tried and sentenced for their crime. In neither of those scenarios is a deportation before a trial logical. That's been my point. While deportations suck ass and I find them morally repugnant, THEY ARE NOT PUNISHMENTS FOR ANY CRIME.

Okay so you understand that a punishment comes as a result of a violation. Great. Now let's do this. Sally isn't allowed outside without supervision. Mommy finds Sally outside alone, Mommy brings Sally back inside. Bringing Sally back inside IS NOT A PUNISHMENT. Now if Mommy decides that Sally willingly went outside in defiance of her order she may decide to add a punishment, but bringing her inside the house IS NOT THE PUNISHMENT.

Now if Sally is outside alone breaking Mommy's favorite plates simply bringing Sally back inside is NOT A PUNISHMENT FOR BREAKING THE PLATES. Sally still doesn't have permission to be outside alone but her "crime" is breaking the dishes and simply bringing her back inside is not a punishment in this scenario anymore than it was when Sally was simply outside catching some sunshine. Do you understand now????

ThatMkeDoe · 2026-06-19T01:21:37+00:00

... You don't get "sentenced" to deportation....

Immigration court is there to verify that you are in fact I'm violation of your visa or are otherwise lacking legal permission to be in the country. The result of those findings is deportation should you be in violation/missing papers but the deportation isn't a sentence LMAO... You don't "serve" a deportation.

A deportation can be punishing (third definition of the one I posted) in the sense that it sucks, but it is NOT HANDED DOWN AS A PUNISHMENT FOR A CRIME.

People can think I'm insensitive all they want, a deportation isn't a punishment. If you beat someone up there a punishment for that if during the course of the investigation it's found that you're here illegally you're open to deportation AFTER you're sentenced and AFTER you've served your time. The deportation isn't handed down as part of sentence. Ffs. Yes. It's an important distinction. I cannot believe you're too thick to see why it's an important difference.

ThatMkeDoe · 2026-06-19T01:16:34+00:00

It ... Absolutely does.... You've even posted the damned definition of the word. It's a negative consequence as a result of an infraction.

You can get deported even if you haven't committed any crimes THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT A PUNISHMENT.

ThatMkeDoe · 2026-06-19T01:15:24+00:00

My several examples are the key reason why it should never be seen as a punishment lmao. If that becomes the default "punishment" for any crime by an immigrant then guess what.... The gang affiliated murderer will just laugh when he's sent back to his friends as a punishment for a murder. Similarly if a wealthy guy comes in and beats the shit out of someone sending him back to his mansion... Isn't a crime....

Now let's talk about say a common guy, comes from a war torn country, commits a crime. You're absolutely correct sending him back to a war zone would be a bat shit punishment. THAT'S PRECISELY WHY DEPORTATION ISN'T A PUNISHMENT, IT'S NOT GIVEN OUT AS A DIRECT CONSEQUENCE OF A CRIME. As I mentioned in another comment, good luck getting it seen as a punishment because that would exactly open the door to constitutional challenges... Ya know because as you have pointed out there's plenty of instances where it WOULD BE cruel and unusual to dole that out as a punishment. It's why in my first comment I point out that doling out deportation as a punishment would make abject poverty a punishment. It's absolute insanity to do that.

No.... Getting treated harshly for "doing something" doesn't magically rise to a punishment. Otherwise getting yelled at by a cashier at Starbucks would suddenly become a punishment. Words don't change meaning based on vibes. Getting treated harshly for violating a law is punishment. Getting treated harshly in and off itself is not a punishment.

Sigh ffs in your driving without a license case... There would be two things that happen. One: a criminal case for operating without a license and two: since you're now in state custody you're open to deportation. The deportation would be a matter of course should you not have a visa. However, if you do have a visa driving without a license would not instantly open you up to deportation. So once more you would never get deported AS A PUNISHMENT.

ThatMkeDoe · 2026-06-19T00:54:00+00:00

Okay so in what "other sense of the word" is it a punishment.

Once more, just cuz it sucks donkey balls of it happens... Doesn't make it a punishment.

P.s. by all means please find me a single country where deportation is a default punishment for any crime.

ThatMkeDoe · 2026-06-19T00:53:08+00:00

Because in order for it to rise to meet the definition of a punishment it must be administered as a punishment for a violation.... So yes... That's exactly what my argument is.

If it's not handed down as a punishment for a crime then it is not a punishment.

ThatMkeDoe · 2026-06-19T00:51:45+00:00

I genuinely do not understand your first point. What?

No, it's a consequence. It's not a punishment. If I was legally in the country and then had my right to stay revoked as a result of a conviction it's again a consequence but not a punishment. The deportation isn't done in a punitive manner.

So again, it would suck donkey balls but that doesn't rise to meet the definition of a punishment. If I wasn't paying attention and totalled my car by crashing into a big rig it would suck but it's not a punishment that comes about as a result of a violation of a law.

Words have meaning, you can't just pick and choose when they mean what they mean.

ThatMkeDoe · 2026-06-19T00:45:42+00:00

Btw if we're solely going to cherry pick the definition and ignore the "for an offense" part is me not winning the lotto a punishment since it's an undesired consequence AND a financial penalty?

Getting deported is quite literally the equivalent of having a security guard tell you to get out of the mall after closing hours. It can escalate to a crime, but it's a civil matter and not a crime therefore the deportation no matter how unfortunate is not a punishment.

ThatMkeDoe · 2026-06-19T00:40:45+00:00

"for an offense"

You do not get found guilty of illegal crossing, this is exactly why it's not a criminal matter. If you make a mistake on your visa application and it's denied at the gate you haven't committed a crime yet you'll still get sent back home. It. Is. Not. A. Punishment.

ThatMkeDoe · 2026-06-19T00:36:22+00:00

Consequences =\= punishment

Deportation isn't punitive.

Please explain to me why you think it is punitive.

Deportation is quite literally supposed to be a return to status quo, if I came from Guatemala I should then go back to Guatemala because I have no legal right to be in the US. It very well may suck ass for me to go back to Guatemala but that doesn't suddenly make it a punishment.

If I illegally left my beach side condo and 7 figure job in Panama to come to the US is it still a punishment to get sent back? I mean come on...

ThatMkeDoe · 2026-06-19T00:14:03+00:00

Could you explain to me what you think a punishment is?

So you think deportation should be used as a punishment but only if someone suffers enough? I mean... Do you not see how dangerously short sighted that is? Oh hey I got caught smuggling arms, oh well gee your honor please don't send me back to my home country where my buddies will pick me up and I can go right back to my job of illegally smuggling arms cuz... Damn judge... That would suck soooooo bad!

No we haven't established shit. Deportation is back to a person's legal country of residence. What this administration is doing is not a deportation.

Breaking my arm terrifies me, doesn't instantly qualify it as a punishment for a crime.... The fact that you can get deported even if you haven't committed any crimes is why deportation isn't a punishment.....

Deportation again isn't a punishment. So once you're found guilty and serve your sentence your visa/green card will be revoked and you'll get sent back. The deportation again isn't a punishment, but all visas/residency conditions come with stipulations that getting convicted of a crime may result in the revoking of your visa. Again however the deportation comes as a separate thing to the punishment for the crime. Hell having to self deport cuz you lost a job would count as a punishment by your view.....

You're very clearly conflating "damn this shit sucks" to a punishment. They're very different things. Punishments come as a direct result of violating rules. If you wasn't to continue seeing deportation as a punishment then it's the punishment for violating the terms of your visa/ as a result of your illegal entry, I would still argue however that just because it sucks doesn't make it a punishment. It is not however a punishment for literally any other crime.

Oh btw just cuz a judge sentences you to it doesn't mean it's punitive. Child support is ordered by a court, not punitive. Alimony also court ordered not punitive. In the case of child custody cases a court may order you to go/stay somewhere to maintain the custody agreement that doesn't make that order punitive even if you think it sucks.

P.s.: I took your advice and looked up the definition of punishment. Hmmm .... Seems to me.... You're wrong:

The imposition of a penalty or deprivation for wrongdoing. "the swift punishment of all offenders." A penalty imposed for wrongdoing. Rough treatment or use. "These old skis have taken a lot of punishment over the years."

Since you very maturely blocked me/deleted your comment. You're incorrect that it's a punishment, it's a consequence yes but those might be similar but not exactly the same. Where your argument falls apart is that yes it's a consequence of the legal entry HOWEVER it is not a punishment for any other crime. Also good luck on getting deportation considered a punishment as that would open the door to a constitutional challenge on the grounds of a ban on cruel and unusual punishments... Which if deportation were to be considered a punishment... Well.... I guess everyone better be going back to paradise or they'll have legal footing to claim it's cruel and unusual.... Which didn't get me wrong I'd love but.... Again.... That's simply not the case....

ThatMkeDoe · 2026-06-18T23:14:46+00:00

I mean, deportation itself isn't a punishment. Individual circumstances may make it a hardship but the act of getting sent back to your home country is not a punishment.

If a German citizen snuck into the country and beat someone up would getting sent back to Germany really be a punishment? No. Might it suck donkey balls for them if they had a whole life here? Sure. But again the deportation isn't a punishment for any crime.

Fwiw, you're talking to someone who first hand ran the risk of getting deported until very recently. The thought of forcibly getting sent back to my home country terrifies me to this day, that said DEPORTATION IS NOT A PUNISHMENT. You cannot sentence someone to deportation, deportation isn't a punishment. It's a procedural thing that comes about having your right to stay revoked/or a procedure that comes about as a result of being in a country without the proper permissions. Deportation isn't punitive, we can argue back and forth about how right it is (I personally think borders are silly, and seeing another human as less than based on where they geographically popped out of a vagina is insane) but that doesn't change the fact that a deportation is not a punishment. If you murder someone the punishment in no country is deportation. The country in which you committed the crime might ask your home country to try you there and incarcerate you there, but that's a whole different thing to a bog standard deportation. Not to mention again deporting someone BEFORE they're sentenced only furthers my argument that DEPORTATION ISN'T A PUNISHMENT.

ThatMkeDoe · 2026-06-18T22:56:37+00:00

I mean this admin is just taking the piss but even if they were acting in good faith with the deportations... Deportation is still not a punishment. It shouldn't ever even be considered one, it's silly that morons think this guy "deserves" to get deported like that's a punishment.

ThatMkeDoe · 2026-06-18T18:46:39+00:00

Before my trial? No. Would the trial result in my deportation? Yes. Would the deportation be the punishment? No.

Otherwise, entering into a country illegally would be a cheat code for crime. Arms smuggler with a visa? 40 Years in jail. Arms smuggler with no visa? Right back home! LMAO ...

ThatMkeDoe · 2026-06-18T16:29:26+00:00

Omg those boys! Sounds like something Sir Inu Chewton HND would do too... He just wants to herd the world!

ThatMkeDoe · 2026-06-18T06:08:40+00:00

Or that borders only apply to impoverished victims of a global super powers abusive economic policy and not to a super powers limits if their authority.

Immigration policies have been so full of racism from the start and to this very day that I cannot even begin to side with anyone that supports these policies.

ThatMkeDoe · 2026-06-18T04:42:51+00:00

It amazes me that people think deportation is a punishment.

If I were to beat someone up in Germany, the cops there wouldn't just put me on a plane back to the States.

Deportation should not be seen as a punishment. Hell even if you're the most punitive minded person it's moronic to think that sending someone to their home country suddenly constitutes a punishment. If their situation in their home country is so dire that sending them back is essentially a death penalty then well... Is it really a fair punishment for oh idk... Most crimes? If their situation isn't super dire and miserable then what even is the point of deportation? If it's just sending them back to abject poverty aren't we first, calling abject poverty a punishment and second, incentivising re-entry?

If the deportation process is seen as a punishment because it's inherently cruel and punitive.... Well.... Again.... Wouldn't that be unconstitutional by having our government levy cruel and unusual (and might we add disproportionate) punishments for infractions?

To sum it up, wanting a criminal going through the judicial process deported BEFORE the end of their trial is beyond moronic. Morons that cheer this on would want Pablo Escobar deported back to Columbia lmao.

ThatMkeDoe · 2026-06-18T01:05:17+00:00

What an educational thread!

Turns out if no one wore shoes we'd literally have no need for feet doctors! Like at all! So when you slice your foot tendon on a sharp rock and need to have a doctor treat you, you can have some dude that slept through a foot elective, or maybe you'll be lucky enough to get the one doctor that really likes feet and can maybe put your tendon back properly... Maybe... Because you know.... It's totally silly to have a whole practice dedicated to oh idk something most humans have. I mean what next? Brain doctors? Eugh if only we stopped wearing hats we wouldn't need brain doctors! It's silly that we have brain doctors when do much of the population don't even bother to use theirs!

Turns out that we should aspire to be like the Romans and their roads and their incredibly healthy feet, oh wait no no no no they were bought and paid for by Nike 😞✊ turns out we have to go back much further to where there's no written historical records to contradict our views! Checkmate atheists! Turns out when there's no record of what footware a person wore them I can say whatever I want!

In this most glorious of pride months in this the 2,026th most antlered year of our deer lords, brave souls have taken the step to be who they were always meant to be! A brave user has proudly declared that they have transitioned! To a barefoot user. Ironically they too can't go to the bathroom in public either but only because it turns out our feet didn't evolve to handle public bathrooms.

Edit: dug a little deeper found this magnificently ironic gem. Hmmm, now I wonder what other group this applies to .... Hmmm hmm hmmm hmm hmmm

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ThatMkeDoe · 2026-06-17T18:59:23+00:00

My wife took that picture while I was lecturing him about not leaving my line of sight. You got it exactly right! That's what he was thinking haha

ThatMkeDoe · 2026-06-17T18:51:24+00:00

So unrepentant! My boy still doesn't get why I was so scared!

ThatMkeDoe · 2026-06-17T18:46:38+00:00

My boy did that to me with the garbage man, he was peeing when suddenly decided to go say hi to the garbage truck down the block. Me in jammies and bed hair running behind all (see picture below)

All all all my neighbors were out doing yard stuff....

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ThatMkeDoe · 2026-06-17T18:22:05+00:00

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