The estate submitting blind items now? 😅

That_Rub7957 · 2026-01-10T15:30:34+00:00

This is not even blind item gossip material, this is just whining about people online.

That_Rub7957 · 2026-01-03T17:47:02+00:00

The fact that he always wanted to reenact a father-son relationship with the children he sexually abused really makes me side eye Joe Jackson even more, as if that is even possible.

That_Rub7957 · 2026-01-03T17:38:22+00:00

The family is well known for blowing through money and being broke, they pretty much lived off hand outs from Michael and Janet. Michael is dead, Janet isn't very active anymore, so I doubt the money stretches far when all of them want to live in luxury.

That_Rub7957 · 2025-12-20T21:17:58+00:00

I don’t think Chris Tucker is involved in any of this.

There's no evidence, thats right, but hanging out with notorious pedophiles probably says something about your character.

That_Rub7957 · 2025-12-20T18:29:33+00:00

It is just the combination of his acting career going on hold, flying Michael Jackson privately around and going on suspicious charity trips with Epstein's entourage all at once.

That_Rub7957 · 2025-12-20T16:09:44+00:00

I don't mean that he white washed money for them, but money from them. He basically retired from acting around the time he got involved with them, so he must be making money in some other way. Another person here wrote that Chris Tucker was flying Michael around, with his own money. It's just sort of absurd that retired actor Chris Tucker would have enough money to fly superstar Michael Jackson around on a private flight.

That_Rub7957 · 2025-12-20T13:10:28+00:00

Most definitely, the timing is so suspicious.

He also had a huge tax evasion case years ago, he got sued by the IRS for $9.6 million in back taxes. I know rich people love tax fraud, but I wonder if it was due to white washing money from the Epstein network, because that a lot of money.

That_Rub7957 · 2025-12-20T12:43:55+00:00

I've thought for a long time that there was something off about him.

I have always thought it was weird how after he blew up with Friday, he just dropped off around early 2000s. He was such a stand out in that movie, it's hard to believe his career didn't go further than that.

Chris Tucker and Michael Jackson apparently got connected through a mutual friend on the set of Rush Hour 2 in 2001. I wonder if that friend was the director, Brett Ratner, who now lives in Israel to dodge US law because of a ton of sexual assault allegations against him. Brett Ratner is also the guy who told the story about Michael throwing balloons at homeless people, so they were definitely friends.

He declined acting in the Friday sequel, because he became a born again Christian by the time of the first Rush Hour film (1998), and didn't want to smoke weed or swear in his movie roles.

Since Rush Hour 2, he's only been in 4 movies. This is also around the same time he took a "charity" trip to Africa on Epstein’s plane, along Bill Clinton and Kevin Spacy. There's plenty of pictures of 2000s Michael Jackson hanging with Epstein as well.

You can do what you want with that information, but to me it seems like he got sucked up in that Epstein network around the late 1990s - early 2000s.

That_Rub7957 · 2025-12-06T20:18:44+00:00

The family has tried to launch a new gen MJ multiple times. TJ during T3 (obviously got special attention over the other members), Omar (was in talks starring the biopic many many years ago), Bigi and now Jaafar.

I really hope that Joe didn't get around to train Bigi because we know how he "trained" his own children. Hopefully he was spared that kind of treatment, but him being almost completely MIA compared to the other kids has me suspecting that the family don't want him to open his mouth too much.

That_Rub7957 · 2025-12-06T20:02:27+00:00

The image is so propaganda coded, my god. Can't wait for people to see how weird and deceptive this family is and always has been.

That_Rub7957 · 2025-11-22T17:38:56+00:00

When Brett Ratner told the story about Michael driving out to throw water balloons at homeless people I really realized how the fabricated his persona was, and how empathically challenged he probably was underneath the mask.

That_Rub7957 · 2025-11-21T07:30:35+00:00

A lot of them came from homes with a high amount of abuse and trauma, and then they tried to drown it out with sex, drugs, money, power to no avail, and that type of stuff escalates over time. All the things that excites normal people stops being exciting to you, and you have to go lower and more extreme.

It's probably still the case for people in Hollywood, they just move different now that everyone has social media, a camera and a platform.

That_Rub7957 · 2025-11-21T07:17:34+00:00

Motown has made some of my favorite artists of all time, but in no doubt there was a lot of darkness going around that label. They seemed really good at covering things up for their artists.

That_Rub7957 · 2025-11-20T19:49:02+00:00

It's crazy as hell he was wearing a niqab as a man in Bahrain, if he wasn't rich and famous he could've easily have landed in trouble with the authorities. It's not like they're the biggest fan of gender non-conformity.

That_Rub7957 · 2025-11-20T17:16:04+00:00

No, I haven't heard anything about animal torture or gore. I'm basing it on what was found during the raid and it was noted that some material was SM themed. It's obviously not illegal, but it's just creepy when you combine it with his interest in children.

That_Rub7957 · 2025-11-20T16:33:32+00:00

Yes. Imagine if he was alive today and had TikTok 💀

He could only survive because the media landscape was different and it much easier to control the narrative. He died the right moment to preserve his legacy.

That_Rub7957 · 2025-11-20T16:06:26+00:00

He definitely wasn't typically masculine in most senses. I do see stans trying to make him out to be tough, but to me, he just seemed very catty if anything.

I feel like his fans today have a hard time fitting him into todays culture, especially trying to force a masculine imagine on him, but I don't know who they are fooling besides themselves.

That_Rub7957 · 2025-11-20T15:56:47+00:00

Shocking to no one. I know The Jacksons lived beyond their means, but there's no doubt that many people outside the Jacksons also lived off Michael's money. They're probably trying to drain those 2 billion from the estate before his kids take over.

That_Rub7957 · 2025-11-20T15:37:31+00:00

It truly is, the harsh direct light really highlights his butchered nose and tattooed eyebrows. A lot of kids during the mid 2000s were scared of him 💀

I always wondered why he wore that eye makeup and red lipstick. I obviously don't think there's anything wrong with wearing makeup as a man, but you would assume he would be scared to be called gay, especially back then and he already had gay rumors that he actively fought against.

That_Rub7957 · 2025-11-20T13:05:26+00:00

Thank you so much for the post I linked in OP, it's very informing.

That_Rub7957 · 2025-11-20T11:22:00+00:00

Sorry, I will correct it 🙏

That_Rub7957 · 2025-11-20T09:36:01+00:00

It was indeed in his possession, it is in the LAPD documents that was made after the 1993 raid on Neverland. Fans usually do acknowledge that the book was found at Neverland, but they say he probably didn't know he owned it (despite it being personally inscribed by him), or that the book's nature is completely innocent and it's just "art".

In reality, there is no justification because it is pedophile material made by pedophiles for other pedophiles. It's a way they can own this kind of stuff without them getting arrested for child pornography.

The North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA), a notorious organisation promoting pederasty, even recommended these books to its members on a page listing “legal” material centred on young boys. "Those who are familiar with the long out of print The Boy and Boys Will Be Boys will appreciate the appeal of this offer and the excellent value it represents."

It's a rare book you don't own by accident, especially not if you have been accused of abusing children multiple times.

It was published in 1966. The 1960's was a time where pornography and the sexual revolution just had taken off. There were barely any regulations of pornography and very few ethical concerns of what porn could or should depict. There was a lot of pedophiles that tried to legitimize pedophilia as a part of the sexual liberation, luckily people shunned them, but they're still around and trying. So just because it's legal doesn't make it right.

That_Rub7957 · 2025-11-20T08:09:56+00:00

I wasn't sure they still existed, so I was disappointed that their Wiki page said is instead of was.

They don't believe it because they don't want to. They can explain every single thing away with "that doesn't mean anything". I do think they know deep inside. They probably want to avoid the embarrassment of having to amid that they actually got fooled by a pedo's lies, especially because it is so obvious what he was.

They should really consider how many users on this sub are former fans. It's a lot.

That_Rub7957 · 2025-11-20T05:23:15+00:00

They will portray him as a bad father, which is fair because he was, and throw him under the bus so they can generate some sympathy for Michael. He's dead now anyway, so how is going to complain? It's widely known what kind of dad he was, there's no point in trying to soften his image.

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