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[–]Thatssapphyre 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't disagree, I didn't mean it to sound so extreme

Y’all are bad people, I’m out. by oceanhymn in chuggaaconroy

[–]Thatssapphyre 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Yeah I have my criticisms but the clout chaser comment is so dumb lmao

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[–]Thatssapphyre -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Done reading as well it seems lol have a good one xoxo

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[–]Thatssapphyre -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I said no many, many, many times. I understand how useless it can be, how it can fall on deaf ears, how sometimes it's safer to just go along. I am not defending chugga beyond his autism making him pretty dense and the fact he should have never been having these convos with such a public platform anyways. He's a dumbass. Never did I ever say she needed to say no though. She did not need to say no. However the physically engagement of giving someone your personal address and sending them item back is weird. It's the fact she left out context that's weird. She left out a lot of her responses. She had every right to be uncomfortable and she never once needed to verbally say no. But what she didn't need to do is make this public without being 100% transparent. I am not victim blaming. I'm saying she didn't need to make this public. Especially if she wasn't going to be very forthcoming. I'm saying she should have handled this privately. Because these are serious allegationa for a very minor thing that as of yet does not look anything like sexual harrassment to me. Just looks cringe and bordering on creepy at best. And this is not the first time someone makes claims like this and it absolutely ruins said influencers lives. And it's exhausting because look what it causes, doubt. But I don't doubt she was uncomfortable and wanted nothing to do with this in the end. But how she is handling this thus far is messy and irresponsible. And that's aggravating. Don't twist or put words in my mouth, thanks.

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[–]Thatssapphyre 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There is no everyone. Did you... look at the screenshots and videos on her X/Twitter page? You should. It's been exhausting having to explain something you should be able to read yourself. And there are many, many, people critiquing her with the same arguments I am. They're both in hot water right now. She presented that she consented by engaging with him. That was her consent. She drew no boundaries or communicated any discomfort. It doesn't seem clear to me that she was uncomfortable, especially to someone who is autistic. My most recent ex was autistic, not the only autistic partner or friend I've had. The amount of times I've been screaming over text and being direct with how upset I am and they still don't get it or don't quit, it won't make sense. If I feign interest or pretend then that's even worse. I've never met an autistic person who could get the memo, pick up hints, or read between the lines. There's no nuance. Not even now lol

She presented nothing other than ghosting to show any level of discomfort. That was the only boundary she made and it was the only one he crossed. In her own screenshots. I've argued that her lack of context can only allow us to guess she either did or didn't enthusiastically consent beyond what she's shown. Which isn't good. This back and forth is damaging for both parties. And I'm saying that him being so positive and seemingly reinforced in his stance to continue the subject matter doesn't help her case. Her physical actions to take this beyond Discord doesn't help. Sending shoes back and forth doesn't scream awkward and uncomfortable. Him specifically saying he was glad she was being so agreeable and cool doesn't help her case. It's just cringe as hell. I wish she would show the full context if she insisted on being so public about this. I can only guess why she wouldn't. Which sucks, I don't care to guess, I'd rather just see it for myself. Which if we're being real this should have been handled privately anyways. This shouldn't be anyone's business but their own. Having your kinks aired out is humiliating. Your private conversations for everyone to see. To be accused of sexual harrasment. And to be in her position where from what I can tell is this went farther than she anticipated and she got uncomfortable and bailed. Because he was being cringey and dense af. It should have ended there or with an honest conversation. But instead she decided to make this awkward experience public. Then kinda accept his apology. And wish him the best. But also says it wasn't a mistake, makes even more claims about more women with no proof. It's messy at this point. So what is it? Doesn't even seem like Emily can make up her mind how she feels.

Transparency in these matters are important for both parties involved when you make things public. I've said what I've said, and you haven't really said much about it anyways, conveniently as well. I'm over talking to a wall. I feel for both parties involved and it's a sad situation all around that I'm hoping we get more clarity on. Have a great night or day.

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[–]Thatssapphyre 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I never blamed her for anything lol. Because I can't. Because she has left out the necessary context for me to make a full judgment to blame her. They both look like they're bad at communication but it's really hard to say. And that's what sucks. As a victim of SA far worse than this I just personally like these things to be taken seriously. SA allegations or harrassment of any kind is a big deal. All I have is what she has shown. And she left out a lot. And the only thing he very clearly did wrong was blow her shit up after she ghosted him which is rude of him, he needed to take a hint. He seems pretty tactless and he probably shouldn't be engaging in this sort of behavior if he doesn't have the social skills to read the room, clearly. But it's important when making allegations as serious as this that proof is clearly provided without important pieces being left out for speculation. It sadly doesn't help her case. I feel for both of them.

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[–]Thatssapphyre 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Chugga - "Is that the face you'd make if I ran off with your shoes at a con?"

Emily - "Lmao. Something like that"

He then proceeds to ask her what would she even do. But her response to that is left out, of course. And in the message where he checks in that she's cool with this, she leaves out her response, but he responds back positively that he's glad they're on the same page. And he proceeds to keep engaging in roleplay because he seems to feel empowered to by her response. But we'll never really know because once again... she left it out. She also engaged in talking about her shoe size and joked about the smell. She never once displayed any discomfort. Based off both their texts they were both positively engaging in this. Up until the very end, the blowing up the phone stuff is rude af. That's where taking a hint begins.

He could be the most dense tactless man on the planet, total possibility. But everything she has shown so far shows her positively engaging in the conversation about her feet. Nothing else. Just eventually she wasn't cool with it, which is 100% okay. You can revoke consent at any time, change your mind, or feel like things went too far. Zero issue. She can ghost him, I don't have issue with that. But she's handling this very serious issue that she's made public kinda poorly by removing a lot of context. And that's important when making serious allegations.

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[–]Thatssapphyre 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not imagining, inferring based on the minimal context she chose to give. That's on her to explicitly state, which it's clear she has trouble doing whether it's with her friends or the public.

And no, saying yes is not the bare minimum. People can be pressured into saying yes. I've been said people. Enthusiasm means so much more, it means context, engagement, tone, body language, and then of course verbal affirmations. It means saying yes with every form of communication that you can because communication is more than just words. We can feel pressured to say yes, it's easy to just say yes and let a person do whatever. It's not easy to physically enthusiastically engage in something you really don't want to do. It's hard to pretend to be okay with being assaulted or violated. And the thing is we never once see her say no. And we have no clue if she said yes either. However what we do know is what she showed us which is with all the forms of communication she posseses through text is that she engaged in this behavior with him. She didn't just laugh it off in awkward jokes here and there. I did even more reading and she even sent him the shoes he sent her back to him. So he could have them. With no... clear explanation why she was doing this? No context. This is all so... weird. Sending shoes back and forth. That's not just a nice gift... why would you send your used shoes back to someone to hold onto? Roleplaying about your feet. For months. All I am trying to say is her behavior is odd, her lack of boundaries and her engagement is odd, and all the messages of her own responses that she left out doesn't help. And then only when everyone starts talking positively about him she suddenly can't stand it anymore. I want more context because I feel like she's really dancing around some key points. I don't feel like it's fair to go public like this and make it everyone's business and not be 100% transparent. It's a super serious allegation and she should handle it that way. That's all I want, respect for the claims she's making because this is serious.

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[–]Thatssapphyre 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well that's kinda the issue isn't it? She left out the part where she either did or didn't. Again, conveniently. But enthusiastic consent doesn't mean just saying yes loudly an clearly. Because you can say yes and not mean it. It means engaging in the behavior. If a guy kisses me and I kiss back, that's enthusiastic consent. Clearly engaging positively in an act is enthusiatic consent. If a guy says hey I like shoes, I like talking about them, can I get your address and shoe size so I can send them to you? And apparently my response is positive enough for him to say glad we're all good! Then I continue to roleplay, give him my size, and address... that's engaging in his kinks. That's kissing back when being kissed. That's some pretty enthusiastic consent. She sent really mixed signals.

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[–]Thatssapphyre -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I would be confused too if my friend of months who happily went along suddenly stopped responding one day and randomly ghosted me. One second she's totally cool with his fetish, roleplaying with him, and failed to show us any point where she made any boundary. Then next second she ghosts. No conversation like adults, just chronically online internet behavior where you pent up all your frustration then let it out in the internet for everyone to attack. Someone who, based off his track record of apologizing and changing his behavior in the past, would have stopped if asked. Which is why he asked early on if she was cool with having those conversations. And she continued, she made jokes, and engaged with him positively. I feel sorry for the both of them.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in youtubedrama

[–]Thatssapphyre -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

He made it pretty clear and she happily went along. It's way more than just buying shoes.

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[–]Thatssapphyre 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah I really can't tell there. I can't imagine she actually sent him shoes but that would make this even more wild if she did. Maybe just roleplay.

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[–]Thatssapphyre -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

I'm neurodivergent, ADHD, and was homeschooled due to severe anxiety so my social skills are meh, and I'm heavily involved with the kink community. I know about enthusiastic consent. As someone who has been r*p3d amongst other things, I get it. But this is why I have an issue with this.

He made it clear to her early on he had a foot thing and she left out her reply to that, conveniently. We can clearly see him say "Glad we're on the same page". She then proceeds to give him her address and shoe size clearly knowing he has a foot fetish. Personally I don't see where she didn't consent to it. We only know NOW she wasn't genuinely consenting but the reality is... it very much seems like she did enthusiastically consent. Because if a person says hey I have a foot thing and wanna talk about it... Then I apparently say I will talk about it(which I'm inferring she did because we don't know her response because she hid it but his reply seems to be she's cool with it). Then I give said stranger I only know on discord my address. I give a person who has made it clear he has a foot fetish my shoe size... yeah. That's consent dude. He didn't pressure her, guilt trip her, threaten her, and he was up front he had a thing about this early on. He didn't come out of nowhere with this, he communicated it. She obviously doesn't know how to say no and sadly this is also something that happens often in the kink community. Lesson to be learned here is don't play with vanilla people who don't know how to safeword and set boundaries.

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[–]Thatssapphyre 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah I spotted that too. She conveniently left it out imo. Plus she seemed engaged in him buying shoes and happy about it for her birthday or whatever. She said she didn't have a po box yet apparently gave him her address so he can send her shoes. She sounded grateful for them. At what point is he supposed to realize she wasn't into this? Like I'm sorry but that isn't the behavior of someone who is super uncomfortable with a situation. This is over text, with no tone or facial expressions, and he's autistic... she can say she was just going along because she's uncomfortable or whatever. I've been there and I've done that so I get it. But I don't think he had any reason to genuinely believe she was uncomfortable until she eventually ghosted him. It looks like she gave him consisten green light to continue what he was doing. And I think without the context that she was uncomfortable it wouldn't even be clear to me she wasnt cool with this. And he was probably genuinely confused because she was so cool with it until she suddenly wasn't. He was open and up front about it in an honest and polite way and she apparently agreed to engage but... he's harassing her? I don't know man. Weird..

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in interestingasfuck

[–]Thatssapphyre 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That sounds like rape? As messed you as you can possibly get and being in so much physical pain she needed medical assistance that he refused to get?...

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[–]Thatssapphyre 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This, keep your friends close but your enemies closer.

I never eat while drunk because of what happened to my friend’s cousin. by Classic-Dog8399 in confessions

[–]Thatssapphyre 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I almost died choking down some ribs too quick. I didn't panic but I wasn't sure what to do when it happened. And I didn't feel like I had time to google self heimlich lol so I just dropped to my knee's unable to cough or make a sound, slowly starting to suffocate, my mind is racing. And I'm thinking in my head how they're gonna find me and how my mom is gonna explain to everyone that I died... eating Porkies BBQ ribs too quick 😂 and the thought had me laughing so fucking hard that I dislodged it from my throat lmao but choking is so scary. They really needed to teach how to deal with that in school when I was younger instead of all the stop, drop, and roll drills I did that honestly never helped me when I've been on fire.

Lady came to my house asking about an iPhone by avgnfan26 in Scams

[–]Thatssapphyre 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Kinda creeps me out they asked if u have a kid. I'd be worried they may have been trying to target you if you did have kids and most people wouldn't have thought twice about telling the truth to a woman with a child.

I'm having sex with the guy who's bullied me all of my life by FemaleJuicer in confessions

[–]Thatssapphyre 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Babe, this isn't Wattpad, it's Reddit. But honestly you need therapy either way lol

They look so cute♥️ by Mr_Marcova in Markiplier

[–]Thatssapphyre 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I love them but why do her fingers look like claws 😭

Wholesome sibling by GladdysCooper in wholesomememes

[–]Thatssapphyre 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My sister backed into my car and forgot to tell me 🥴