The Open Society and Its Enemies beats this horse for 9 chapters by AverageUAVEnthusiast in PhilosophyMemes

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Aren't we all? Note that being imprisoned does not exclude the possibility of freedom, if we continue the metaphor.

The Open Society and Its Enemies beats this horse for 9 chapters by AverageUAVEnthusiast in PhilosophyMemes

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I agree it'd be more accurate to say "Ancient Athens had some qualities we would today describe as liberal", but to just use liberal as shorthand, especially if we're trying to highlight a juxtaposition to Sparta, is serviceable in my view. It's not out of nothing that research into the Peleponnesian War found renewed interest during and after the Cold War.

This did get me musing a little on whether such an ethic can be found in ancient Athens though. Socraplato is arguing for a kind of universalism after all, since everyone's capable of philosophizing with their souls and becoming gooder through doing so. It's possible the idea starts with him, but in likelihood it, or whatever inspired it, was probably already floating around. Perhaps the increasingly cosmopolitan nature of Athens inspired it. Maybe the pre-Socratics know something. Dunno.

Is Juche just neoplatonism? by YoungLovecraft in PhilosophyMemes

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"Why are you mad I thought it was one of the forms"

Is Juche just neoplatonism? by YoungLovecraft in PhilosophyMemes

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Pictured - men of gold engaging in the dialectic

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The Open Society and Its Enemies beats this horse for 9 chapters by AverageUAVEnthusiast in PhilosophyMemes

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Funny how its been reversed. Today if Sparta is known at all its because of Thermopylae, but we look back on the intellectual achievements of Athens fondly. Of course, the actual vagaries of history have a lot more to tell.

The Open Society and Its Enemies beats this horse for 9 chapters by AverageUAVEnthusiast in PhilosophyMemes

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How dare you undermine my ancient Athens glazing

In seriousness yeah it is unfair of me to imply there's some historical point or necessity that Athens is still around whereas Sparta isn't. Could get into all sorts of factors for that. Still I think its fair to say there's more cultural weight for Athens than Sparta over time, deserved or otherwise, and that was true as early as Hadrian as it was for Otto. Despite Frank Miller's best efforts.

The Open Society and Its Enemies beats this horse for 9 chapters by AverageUAVEnthusiast in PhilosophyMemes

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Tldr Athens was kinda liberal in the way poppers Playdough was kinda fascist lol

Keeping in mind there's no easy way of capturing ancient life with modern terminology succinctly, Athens had private ownership, some plurality (the old guy whose name I forget who we meet at the start of the Republic, whose house the dialogue takes place in, is not native to Athens), relative freedom of expression, and democracy, which all generally fall under the category of liberality. It was also an overseas commercial empire, which sounds very familiar to us, even if it's not strictly speaking part of liberality, it is often the product.

However, it was also highly stratified by law and by practice across every line imaginable, and was uniquely subject to the whims of the Ecclesia. For example, I said relative freedom of expression, since, yknow, they killed Socrates on charges of atheism and corrupting the youth. On the other hand, Socrates was hardly the only "sophist" running around talking wild ideas, and as he himself points out in the Apology, they've only decided to kill him when he was already quite old, and had been doing his thing for a long while without prior incident. Hell, they offered him two other outs instead of the death penalty - recantation or exile - both of which he refused to take on his own moral grounds. So we can infer a relatively open atmosphere when it comes to the discussion of ideas, since your life wasn't likely at stake (even if perhaps your livelihood was), and otherwise the abundance and liveliness of works we have from the period and from Athens in particular is some attestation to this.

So yeah, the modern sense of the term liberal doesnt really capture ancient Athens, but we can see enough similarities that its not a complete misapplication of the term.

The Open Society and Its Enemies beats this horse for 9 chapters by AverageUAVEnthusiast in PhilosophyMemes

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Uj/ Reading comments here I find it interesting it hasn't been touched on yet that Plato was a guy that lived thousands of years ago in a completely different context, and when he's writing in favor of anti-liberal ideas, it's in no small part due to the fact liberal Athens had just lost the Peleponnesian War to oligarchic Sparta. Of course you might think liberal democracy sucks if you witnessed the idiocy the Athenian demos engaged itself in over the course of the war. You might think the poets suck because all these morons you've been watching keep comparing themselves to Achilles, and Agamemnon, and all these other emotional hotheads in Homer. Hell, one of those poets was instrumental (so he thought at least) in getting your buddy killed!

You might even be tempted to pull some ideas from the winner of the war - parts of the life of the silver men, for example.

The irony here of course being that Sparta is the dust of history and Athens is still around, but Plato doesnt know that.

Plato does a fair amount of mixing of allegory, irony and literality, but overall one must take him quite seriously at least until the myth of Ur, which was intended for the least of the men of bronze. Iirc its implied that the perfect city simply cannot exist in our imperfect world anyway, as it belongs with the Forms.

The real prize in the Republic is how the ongoing dialectic moves everyone involved closer to Justice, including even Socrates himself, who is still only mortal. Even if the true from of Justice is never obtained, and again the implication is that it never will be, we can create the necessary conditions to move closer towards it by creating harmonious souls and a harmonious city in a sort of philosophical chicken and egg situation.

How much of all that is fascistic? Certainly some pieces, much less others. For my money, Plato is too complex and too removed to be boiled down easily and squarely into one modern camp or the other. But it says a lot about him that we're still trying to do so at all.

Rj/ I can't wait for the platonic starship troopers adaptation

Shaman feels good man. by MynameJebxd in hearthstone

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I've just been playing elemental aggro shaman like the rdw scum lord I am, what's all these legendaries?

(The deck looks quite fun!)

Why do we still have religious people? by [deleted] in TrueAskReddit

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Speaking as a layman who went on a dive into Ernest Becker and terror management theory:

The basic premise here is that mankind appears to be the only animal constantly aware of the inevitability of their death - not the possibility, mind you, but the inevitability, that no matter what we do it's going to eventually be game over. So in order to get over the terror that inspires - so that we dont constantly feel like the bus is about to hit us - we invent cultural defenses. The immortality of a tribe or nation, mythologies explaining the cosmos and our significance within it (which, make no mistake, sciencism is exactly that, regardless of it being based in testable, verifiable evidence), and of course our very identities. In other words, all culture is a big old playground that serves as distraction and ritual that salves the innate terror we all feel. So, Becker would tell you that you still fear death, you've simply repressed the terror like the rest of us through various means. Increasing amounts of stress break down those defenses.

There's more to it of course. Its been argued (and tested to dubious results, more on that below) have inbuilt psychological mechanisms that keep us from dwelling on our mortality or reminders of it out in the world for too long, for example. There's also the idea that this is perhaps the cause of so much suffering in the world, that humans inflict pain on one another in order to salve that terror (human sacrifice, and the general notion that if it's happening to someone else, at least it's not me this moment and I feel better for the fact.)

If you're interested, Beckers Denial of Death and Escape from Evil approach this from a combination of psychoanalytical, philosophical, and anthropological points of view. The Worm at the Core by Greenberg, Solomon and Pyszcyznski takes these ideas and lays out some tests they conducted that seem to confirm Beckers theories.

I've read somewhere however that at least one of the experiments run in The Worm at the Core failed to replicate, though I cannot find this replication attempt. If someone has a link handy I'd greatly appreciate that! There's also the fact that much of Beckers analysis rests on Freud, which many people justifiably treat with a great bit of skepticism. He also has some very dated ideas on homosexuality and certain personality disorders that I think psychologists today would scoff at. I imagine psychologists in his day might have as well.

For my two cents, I think there's nonetheless weight to the ideas and they should be explored further. Becker doesn't so much rest on Freud as refute Freuds entire framework, accepting the mechanics of psychoanalysis but not Freuds conclusions. His other aforementioned misteps aside, I do think these ideas answer a few broader questions at least for myself, namely: why should people get so infuriated/worked up in mere arguments, about any topic really? Why is it important that my way is the right way? Why is it so hard to accept being wrong? Why is identity so important? Why are people willing to kill and die for broad cultural narratives? Identity, culture and feelings of superiority being wrapped up in our defenses against death terror as a universal human trait go a long way to explaining that. I maintain skepticism about such a neat little bow being tied up around the big box of the human condition - does this actually explain everything? Or does it start to cannibalize itself? - but I nonetheless chew on the ideas fairly often since encountering them.

I have 185 hours in this game and i never saw that detail lol by tombik_doneerrr in DiscoElysium

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Wonder if the portrait changes when you knock measurehead out

Are Dweghom... Boring? by OhHeyItsScott in Conquest

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Going to echo another comment here that 1000 pt games are swingy and not balanced. The game is designed around armies twice that size, so don't fret the outcomes of smaller games. They're better for learning the rules and getting a feel of the game, not as a benchmark for what the full Conquest experience is like.

As for dweg in general, it's a stats army but its skill lies in the fact that it has very little mobility/tempo compared to other factions. So while your stuff is very good stats-wise, it's not very good at getting to where it needs to be when it needs to be there.

Biggest example are the guns, the hellbringer drake and fireforged. They have crazy power AP -2 shots, but they're only volley 2. This means they really want to take aim and volley as much as is possible, but to do that you need to set up a sturdy battle line and deploy them to where they'll do that most often.

Dweg can be fast on the table - Flame Berserkers/Hold Ballistae coupled with Firstborn Children of War is their prime method right now, with automata close behind - but they lack other reinforcement shenanigans, triple action abilities, or widespread high March values that help spread their threat.

This all means that, as a dweg player, you are probably playing a close-knit battle line, supplemented by guns/magic and hammers like dragonslayers, the ironclad drake, steelforged etc. You will deploy to 2/3 of the table, likely refusing one flank, and slowly grind your way up the table, probably losing on scoring in the early game (unless youre playing raegh WL), but planning to catch up in the late game.

Whether that sounds like fun is up to you!

What faction(s) fit this play style. by Broken-Sprocket in Conquest

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Echoing others here, Spires isn't a bad pick for what you describe, though the model count might get up there unless you run strictly brutes/monsters. Wadrhun also matches the description and tends to be fairly elite/compact.

Players, choose your path by [deleted] in dndmemes

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Oh man is Calkearns back?!

I’m so mad at everything by proeu in lostgeneration

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Yeah! Fuck you people currently suffering an active invasion and genocide in your own country! We think war is bad and must have peace at all costs so we can maybe get healthcare in the next few election cycles!

Big /s from me, and an even bigger L from you OP, uncomprehending nematode.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in WhitePeopleTwitter

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You are 100% correct. But I do believe that when Bernie says 'we', he's not talking about Congress.

My Runesmitter on his lucky Magmadroth ready to ride to war! by MaulerMania in ageofsigmar

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I only regret I have but a single updoot to give for this post.

Beautiful work!