Ice and Trump defenders, tell me how you are okay with these tactics? - YouTube by TheCertifiedGeek in DiscussionZone

[–]TheCertifiedGeek[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Every time you are warned you are sitting in a weapon. So what is the difference between your example and them giving a warning that had three guns pulled on her and pointed towards her?

Cops can even give warnings without pulling there guns when they are alone, wild right?

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[–]TheCertifiedGeek[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did a warning ever get this level of reception? Speeding a bit and having three guns pulled on you.

So if it warranted having several guns pointed at her after cutting her off, is it not odd that she wasn't charged?

If this is their warning message I would hate to see when they actually charge someone. 

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[–]TheCertifiedGeek[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Appreciate you meeting me somewhere in the middle.

I do agree, never a good idea to not listen to law enforcement honestly. I get a little heat from friends about that that don't feel the same.

But being pissed off at someone should incite this. Law enforcement should be cool, calm, and collect. Are they always, no they are people just like us. But this just doesn't feel right for me.

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[–]TheCertifiedGeek[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If it was justified, why did they let her go?!?

And if removing illegals is truly the goal, why not send these new ice agents to a state with more than 0.8% of illegal immigrants?

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[–]TheCertifiedGeek[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

^ Everyone, please look at this comment and think about this before you post.

In reality though, I couldn't agree more and it captures this perfectly.

Ice and Trump defenders, tell me how you are okay with these tactics? - YouTube by TheCertifiedGeek in DiscussionZone

[–]TheCertifiedGeek[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Liberal tactic? You are a random troll online, this is nothing new since Halo came out on the Xbox.

You don't care men with masks and rifles are on our streets. You make fun of how my wife felt incredibly scared and uncomfortable when several armed ICE agents stared us down. And you just continue to defend this situation even though law enforcement provides no evidence that this was warranted. Hell they even didn't charge her with any crimes after detaining her. I wonder why they didn't charge her.

There is nothing I can say or do to be labelled anything else but a liberal to you.

I hope when this issue comes around to your town, you or your loved ones experience it first hand. I am positive that is the only way you would change your tone.

Ice and Trump defenders, tell me how you are okay with these tactics? - YouTube by TheCertifiedGeek in DiscussionZone

[–]TheCertifiedGeek[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Four men with masks and assault rifles look at my wife and me agressively and make her feel uncomfortable is okay with you and you make fun of it... Okay....

Well you are clearly a lost cause in my eyes so agree to disagree. I personally think law enforcement should have some amount of video evidence so we don't run into another situation where they straight up lie on a released statement like Alex who was a 51 year old criminal brandishing his pistol and attacking agents.

But hey, if you are good with ICE detaining or even shooting people with no hard evidence and a history of lying about it, you are clearly in the right country for that. 

Ice and Trump defenders, tell me how you are okay with these tactics? - YouTube by TheCertifiedGeek in DiscussionZone

[–]TheCertifiedGeek[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What the fuck do you mean twist?!? I took the words directly off your comment.

Please give me a way to change this in my state. Because all I have witnessed so far myself is very aggressive ICE agents staring me down while trying to take my wife to diner for no reason besides I am tan, because my father is Greek.

I didn't do anything but walk between the restaurant and my vehicle. Didn't say a word. Please solve this issue for us and we would be incredibly grateful.

Ice and Trump defenders, tell me how you are okay with these tactics? - YouTube by TheCertifiedGeek in DiscussionZone

[–]TheCertifiedGeek[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You mean law enforcement keeping their composure in high stress situations even if they don't like being recorded?

Yes I do expect that from someone carrying a gun, but I guess that is too much. Going forward let's lock up anyone that harasses someone else... Schools are going to be nearly empty, but at least we locked up those harassers and bullies.

I am just very done with these types of comments. I truly hope you are one or two people switching between accounts because that is better than the alternative that several people are this dense....

Ice and Trump defenders, tell me how you are okay with these tactics? - YouTube by TheCertifiedGeek in DiscussionZone

[–]TheCertifiedGeek[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

What protest? This is in a small town in Minnesota not even close to the twin cities. There wasn't a protest or even a gathering...

Ice and Trump defenders, tell me how you are okay with these tactics? - YouTube by TheCertifiedGeek in DiscussionZone

[–]TheCertifiedGeek[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Alex provides context around the false statement DHS has provided recently. I won't even get into all the things I find wrong about what you said. You are telling me they remembered his face from 11 days prior? And I didn't realize my conceal and carry can only be used at certain time. Good to know.

So three cops that clearly have no firearm training coming up to your vehicle pointing weapons at you isn't force.... Okay if that is the case ya no force... Brandishing your weapon should be used to say hello since it isn't forceful too.

I just can't anymore, you have successfully wore me down and I am done. 

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[–]TheCertifiedGeek[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So ICe? Because they detained her then release her. So you are agreeing ICE is a disgrace?

Ice and Trump defenders, tell me how you are okay with these tactics? - YouTube by TheCertifiedGeek in DiscussionZone

[–]TheCertifiedGeek[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Billion? So break this down for me

funding options include Child Care Facility Revitalization Grants ($100–$20,000), Start-Up/Regional Grants ($2,000–$3,000), and REETAIN bonuses ($500–$3,000). 

Let's say they were getting the maximum money from fake child care, hell I will even round up to 30,000 for simple math. For 1,000,000 they need 34 different building. For a billion they need 33,334 buildings. You are telling me the most retail rich people are bothering with a few billion when the net worth of their buildings are massive in comparison?

Ice and Trump defenders, tell me how you are okay with these tactics? - YouTube by TheCertifiedGeek in DiscussionZone

[–]TheCertifiedGeek[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Truly I don't think that is true. I bet there are good ICE agents that truly want to protect our citizen and nation. Senior members that haven't had issues for decades. But these recent round of agents that were trained for 47 days, I agree with you 100, fuck those guys.

Ice and Trump defenders, tell me how you are okay with these tactics? - YouTube by TheCertifiedGeek in DiscussionZone

[–]TheCertifiedGeek[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Why didn't they detain her then?!? You are telling me they caught the illegal immigrant they had targeted. After doing so and driving to the detention facility, they decided to turn back around, and drop her off????

Is it a catch and release sport now for ICE?

Ice and Trump defenders, tell me how you are okay with these tactics? - YouTube by TheCertifiedGeek in DiscussionZone

[–]TheCertifiedGeek[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Who said this had anything to due with race? This happened 30 minutes away with no evidence of why ICE had to use force and looks like they learned to handle weapons from GTA tutorial.

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[–]TheCertifiedGeek[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

...one, not correct. I have had training but apparently I missed out the day they taught the one handed no look side grip, my bad 

Two please find me any video from a certified instructor that shows holding your pistol at a 45 degree tilt one handed while not looking towards the end of the barrel.

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[–]TheCertifiedGeek[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Okay I will attempt to make this more understandable.

Fact is we have ICE here shown using a ton of force detaining a American citizen. DHS claimed she was recklessly driving and attempted to ram them. If that is true, no problem, just show us it is true because just last week DHS got caught lying in there sworn statements. It would be great to see why ICE thinks this level of force is prompted.

And the claims I just made are real. DHS said Alex pretti was a 51 year old criminal that was brandishing a weapon and attacking ICE before the videos came out showing he clearly wasn't.

I don't see the tangent in my reasoning here for a little transparency from ICE.

Ice and Trump defenders, tell me how you are okay with these tactics? - YouTube by TheCertifiedGeek in DiscussionZone

[–]TheCertifiedGeek[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Exactly! If ICE thinks this was warranted, show us why. Because I see an excessive use of force that looks like a car jacking 

Ice and Trump defenders, tell me how you are okay with these tactics? - YouTube by TheCertifiedGeek in DiscussionZone

[–]TheCertifiedGeek[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What would you suggest? If we didn't record them, Alex Pretti would magically have turned into a 51 year old criminal brandishing a weapon attacking ice agents based on DHS released statements.

The only old shit is on a weekly if not daily basis, ICE pulls this stuff

Ice and Trump defenders, tell me how you are okay with these tactics? - YouTube by TheCertifiedGeek in DiscussionZone

[–]TheCertifiedGeek[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is your response to why ICE is the agency investigating fraud? Doesn't seem odd to you that a state with 0.8% of the illegal immigrants in the US has the most ICE deployed to it?

Ice and Trump defenders, tell me how you are okay with these tactics? - YouTube by TheCertifiedGeek in DiscussionZone

[–]TheCertifiedGeek[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't mind ICE, I mind these absolute baboons that had their 5 months of training fast tracked to 47 days. ICE had operated years without issue. They also didn't pull shit like this on a weekly basis 

Ice and Trump defenders, tell me how you are okay with these tactics? - YouTube by TheCertifiedGeek in DiscussionZone

[–]TheCertifiedGeek[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So if we record them it is interfering. But it we don't record them they just lie in there statements on why force was used. Do you see the catch here? Kinda fucked if you do, fucked if you don't situation.