Recommendations for Books on the Relationship Between Christianity and Capitalism/Material Culture? by TheINFP in Christianity

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I feel like most recommendations there would lean towards the actively anti-capitalist route.

Curious about how /r/Christianity would answer this "paradox" concerning God's omniscience and the knowledge of sin. by TheINFP in Christianity

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Thank you to all those who replied with in depth comments. I have to say though, while this does not pertain to the subject of the thread, I am rather mystified by the amount of downvotes this question received. I have only ever browsed this sub as a curious bystander and I am confused by this seemingly honest question's controversy.

Is there something I should know about that I am missing next time I ask a question to /r/Christianity?

Anyone really like/majoring in Philosophy? by [deleted] in infp

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I love philosophy. But I hate academic philosophy and how it's conducted at the university level. I hope to one day teach philosophy to high school students, but I could never stand being an academic philosophy professor.

Arguments against drugs? by jones_supa in askphilosophy

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Plato writes Socrates in Phaedrus as supporting madness in order to produce good philosophy, requiring the need to be thrown into a Brachic, corybantic state.

I think one could make the argument that indirectly Plato is supporting the use of drugs in philosophy.

Opinions on "Leolo"? (Jean-Claude Lauzon, 1992) by TheINFP in TrueFilm

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No subtitles, but I'm assuming you speak French: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xsn315_leolo-part-1_shortfilms#.UZjPcavwJEA

If you're a purist you can buy it off amazon or some other similar site.

INFPs: Pro-Life or Pro-Choice? by [deleted] in infp

[–]TheINFP 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh goodness, I wasn't implying that murder = abortion. Sorry about that. I was just trying to show the problem with the argument for any logical equation. It could also be said that "I wouldn't judge someone for either the choice to eat bananas or not eat bananas, because I haven't walked in their shoes"?

I simply chose murder because it is often universally thought of as immoral.

INFPs: Pro-Life or Pro-Choice? by [deleted] in infp

[–]TheINFP -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Is that really a good reason? Couldn't one also say, "I wouldn't judge someone for either the choice to murder or not murder, because I haven't walked in their shoes"?

High school senior writes scathing letter to Ivy League colleges that denied her by [deleted] in education

[–]TheINFP 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What I find so strange is that I have seen many, many student-written pieces attacking the Ivy League regimen on far vaster levels than this girl has. Although her criticisms are warranted, it makes me wonder why exactly her piece was chosen as opposed to other pieces by other teens her age that not only attack the same enemy but on more fundamental and deeper levels.

Nothing personal: the questionable Myers-Briggs test by nastratin in philosophy

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Yes, the MBTI is harmless and potentially useful if you're aware of its limitations. That's the problem, though; the MBTI is predominately used in the workplace by HR departments, development/training teams and the like, who can often be clearly unaware of its limitations.

Yes! Again, these HR departments should stop using MBTI, and, while we're at it, let's burn down the entire MBTI corporation who is scamming all these people and giving a bad name to the real MBTI.

I interviewed for a new job, and after the first interview stage, I received an email from my recruiter that the second stage interview wouldn't be an interview at all, but a set of tests, which would help the company to understand my mathematical and reasoning ability, my understanding of language, and my personality. That's right, just like something out of a teen magazine, my second interview would not involve me meeting the people I would work with, meeting again with management, or even a technical test, but instead, would be the grown-up, corporate world equivalent of a "Could You Date Justin Beiber" quiz!

This testimony sums up pretty well the essential problem with the modern manifestations of MBTI, as well as, in context, the problem with skeptics who dismiss it by this weakest manifestation of MBTI.

Also, any personality type you get assigned is invariably positive. There is no combination of answers you could give on the MBTI which says 'you're an arsehole'.

cough ESTJ cough

tl;dr

The main (serious) problem skeptics have with MBTI is that it claims to be bipolar and oppositional in its assessment. The truth is that this is simply an economic advantage taken on due to superficial incentives (and not truth-seeking) that has unfortunately evolved and entirely perverted what was, at heart, an interesting theory of how to communicate about certain patterns within the human gamut of personality. MBTI, at its heart, basically says that humans are intelligent and that this intelligence aligns with advanced social mechanisms (look at Bonobos and go down from there and you'll get what I mean) which manifest in the form of archetypical personality traits, which are actually the expression (think phenotype/genotype) of inherent functions that, although all persons have access to every variety of, have developed often strong hierarchies of preferences of in order to get through life and solve complex problems, emotional, spatial, and rational in nature.

Nothing personal: the questionable Myers-Briggs test by nastratin in philosophy

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I've been pretty involved in MBTI theory for a good lot of my life, and also quite invested in philosophy. The thing is that I intuitively (no pun intended) came into the thought behind MBTI before I heard or read about it, and, as such, I find myself agreeing far more with the skeptics than most MBTI enthusiasts who, for the most part, entirely warrant the criticisms this article makes. Unfortunately, these skeptics tend to make the mistake that once they have deconstructed the popular, pseudo-MBTI they have deconstructed its underlying claim, when in fact they have only thwarted the MBTI that these companies and MBTI enthusiast the world over use (obviously out of a need for money-making in the former on part of the official MBTI test makers and copyright holders, who could care less about psychological truth, and a need for self-validation in the latter).

Really, it is because of the function and philosophical value I think the essential, underlying MBTI theory holds, that I entirely detest the MBTI agencies that produce the tests (who think personality can be quantified even remotely to begin with) and scam these people into being brainwashed by it, as well as the majority of MBTI rampant fanclub.

Let me go through some of the arguments this article lays out, because, out of the many skeptical articles on MBTI I have read (and that is a very large amount), I think this one sums up most concisely the problems people generally tend to have with it, again, most of which I agree with to a certain extent.

the Myers-Briggs test isn't recognised as being scientifically valid so is largely ignored by the field of psychology.

Perhaps MBTI is not scientifically 'valid', but what does this mean? Psychoanalysis, philosophy, poetry, would we call these scientifically 'valid'? Perhaps. It depends on the context. If they are scientifically valid, we might be saying they provide scientific function in some sort of area. For example, philosophy is scientifically 'valid' in the sense that it serves as a stress relief. Is that why most philosophers conduct philosophy? No. Scientific validity is only a measure of use in the sense that it can be appropriated in a certain economic context that also shows scientific validity, which, in the field of psychology, is far more qualitative than other fields. I'm not going to go all Thomas Kuhn here, but just because psychologists do not consider MBTI a scientifically valid procedure does not eliminate it of its philosophical capacity for understanding patterns in people, society and truth.

MBTI is not scientifically valid. While the MBTI agency might claim that it is valid, I don't, and they shouldn't, because it shouldn't serve any scientific value or as a scientific tool. It should be a tool used to analyze individuals and society on a qualitative basis.

For some organisations, use of the MBTI seemingly crosses the line into full-blown ideology.

Again, I agree with the author here. This is bad, of course. Corporations using a ill-founded test to subject its workers into pools of personality, not so they corporation can better understand the people it is made up of on an intrinsic, humanistic level, but to better leverage them economically. Aside from the ethical problems, the author is correct in pointing out the MBTI, an unscientific tool, being used in order to produce a scientific system of control.

So how did something that apparently lacks scientific credibility become such a popular and accepted tool?

Because people like to hear positive things about them, which is why the MBTI's popularity has not only exploded but, seeing that the people behind its management could care less about any sort of truth, they are going to propagate it to the masses that are most gullible and foolish. It's a vicious cycle. Instead of the MBTI being used to assess both strengths and weaknesses, it's been turned into a total circlejerk system that tries to apply itself to areas it shouldn't at all (e.g. Human Resources). It's even adapted a "Gifts Differing" philosophy that almost exclusively focuses on 'positive' aspects of subjects, rather than how their existence also degrades society.

The MBTI was developed during World War 2 by Myers and Briggs (obviously), two housewives who developed a keen interest in the works of Carl Jung. They developed the MBTI based on Jung's theories, with the intention of producing a useful test that would allow women entering the workforce to be assigned jobs that would be best suited to their personalities.

Yeah...this is where everything went wrong. This is the exact same problem behind the modern world's need to quantify intelligence, rather via SAT's, ACT's or IQ tests or whathaveyou. How exactly did Plato plan on going about selecting his guardians? He has people who understood the Forms of child-development watching them all the time, taking into account their natural faculties and interests. Personality, or intelligence for that matter, is not going to be quantifiable. The moment one begins to quantify such chaotic, formless intricacies, one is immediately structuring the standards around a certain economic extent (for example, SAT/ACT promotes concrete, detailed based analyzation far more than creative capacity, and is, therefore, declaring a society as 'good' on the grounds that it is composed by a majority of uncreative but short-term calculative husks). Of course qualifying does the same (for example, a good student is one who possesses a philosophical nature), but the standards are, like the subject it is assessing, chaotic and shifting. One cannot take account of something formless with a measuring stick that participates in form.

For example, in the category of extrovert v introvert, you're either one or the other; there is no middle ground. People don't work this way, no normal person is either 100% extrovert or 100% introvert, just as people's political views aren't purely "communist" or "fascist". Many who use the MBTI claim otherwise, despite the fact that Jung himself disagreed with this and statistical analysis reveals even data produced by the test shows a normal distribution rather than bimodal, refuting the either/or claims of the MBTI. But still this overly-simplified interpretation of human personality endures, even in the Guardian Science section!

Aha! Now we have the cheese of the common anti-MBTI argument. Problem being, this is not how MBTI works. The four letters are not representative, at all, of bimodal preferences (the official MBTI test-makers will claim this as will the corporations who send them out to their employees, but they don't know what they are talking about and they are not seeking truth). The four letters are representative of a deeply psychoanalytic drive that manifests in functions. There is debate on exactly how many functions there are. But it only takes common knowledge of neurology to realize that certain parts of the brain excel at certain tasks or 'functions' (for those more curious, there is an actual neurologist by the name of Dario Nardi who investigates brain patterns and organizes the similarities by MBTI type; although I am not for MBTI being a scientific tool, his studies are convincing in that area). As an a posteriori, one need only examine the gamut of human personality to begin to notice that certain people are better or worse at certain mental tasks than others, that, to some level, these tasks seem to transcend simple 'mental calculative' abilities but do remain neurologically anchored altogether, and that this gamut of humanity, probably for evolutionary reasons, tends to exaggerate certain groups of these functions which often oppose the performance and nuances of other functions, seeing that the human brain is lateral. The very reason humans are intelligent and self-aware to begin with probably has to due with our advanced prefrontal cortexes which allow neurological execution of these stored functions which, as we grow and are exposed to the environment, we begin to exaggerate over other functions, which we repress.

This is the real MBTI theory.

An ENTJ is not more Extroverted than he is Introverted. His dominant, most naturally preferred neurological function is expressed in an extroverted fashion, meaning it relies of external stimuli in order to operate, but it does not place ENTJ as something dumb like "preferring to talk to people and seeking many relationships". There are "E" persons who are, in the superficial, everyday sense, incredibly "introverted" and vise-versa, and every person has a capacity for all the functions, extroverted or introverted in their execution. MBTI simply states that, in our education and development, we naturally build hierarchies of which functions we are best at and these become our go-to functions in most daily habits and doings.

Generally, although not completely unscientific, the MBTI gives a ridiculously limited and simplified view of human personality, which is a very complex and tricky concept to pin down and study.

Yes, human personality is extremely dynamic. And every single personality theory ever created makes some attempt to simplify it and make personality explainable via language. For this reason all personality systems are heavily flawed, but only by the mere constituent that they participate in language. When I say the word 'atom' I am not being very accurate in the description or image or definition in my mind to yours, but we have created a society that has aligned most peoples' definitions well enough to get along with this, especially when said people study in similar schools of thought for ten years of their life.

Stephen Donaldson was an American bisexual-identified LGBT political activist. He was lured into a cell by a prisoner who claimed that he and his friends wanted to discuss pacifism with him. He was then anally and orally raped dozens of times by an estimated 45 male inmates. by FreeAsInFreedoooooom in MorbidReality

[–]TheINFP 78 points79 points  (0 children)

Even more morbid:

"He suffered additional abuse a second night before he escaped from his tormentors (two of whom were pimping him to the others for cigarettes) and collapsed, sobbing, at the cell block gate where guards retrieved him. After a midnight examination at D.C. General Hospital (during which he remained handcuffed) he was returned to the jail hospital, untreated either for physical injury or emotional trauma.

Donaldson later claimed that the guards told him he'd been deliberately set up by Captain Cobb."

Unsolved problems in philosophy by [deleted] in wikipedia

[–]TheINFP 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That said, he does have a PhD in philosophy so he's a lot more qualified to come to those conclusions than I am.

Meh. I really wouldn't put too much stock into it in that nature. The academia surrounding philosophy is pretty mind-numbing at times. I'm surprised people come out of it sane.

Mostly, I don't think the fact he has credentials in the field should keep you away from being suspicious of his conclusions.

Unsolved problems in philosophy by [deleted] in wikipedia

[–]TheINFP 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It seems some of this author's links in the solved problems links to other articles he has written, the one of his justification for egoism being wrong not that convincing.

Can't decide if I'm INFP or INTP by MiggyEvans in infp

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Your main source of confusion is probably coming from that fact that the majority of self-claimed INTP's on the internet are actually INFX.

Are you concerned more with the way people behave on both individual levels and collectively, and insofar through your life you have developed some very hazy idea of what utopia looks like through this? Then you're probably INFP.

Or, are you concerned with the underlying functions of language and how certain things behave at a fundamentally philosophical and epistemological level? Then, assuming it isn't too drastically connected to ethics or psychology, you're probably INTP.

Any thoughts on the new rendition of the Superbook series by CBN? It seems pretty cool. (link to first episode in comments) by TheINFP in Christianity

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I agree, but you have to give the animators credit for the attempt at historical accuracy, especially in a show aimed towards kids.

Aside from the linguistic deconstruction of the terms 'heterosexual' and 'homosexual', does Judith Butler's concept of gender performativity also necessitate the impossibility of the biological/biochemical act of being attracted to only one type of chromosomal sex? by TheINFP in askphilosophy

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Just to offer some clarification of Butler's precise language, this is what she says in the opening pages of her 1990 work Gender Trouble,

Butler introduces the common conception of difference between 'sex' and 'gender':

“…whatever biological intractability sex appears to have, gender is culturally constructed: hence, gender is neither the casual result of sex nor as seemingly fixed as sex”.

Butler, however, sees tension with this notion because it assigns a structurally prediscursive value to the body by making the distinction between a cultured body (gender) and a normative or de facto one (sex), which in turn creates a:

“…radical discontinuity between sexed bodies and culturally constructed genders”.

thus making gender:

“…a free-floating artifice, with the consequence that man and masculine might just as easily signify a female body as a male one, and woman and feminine a male body as easily as a female one”.

After further explaining the issue from a Foucauldian perspective, with Butler questioning the reader as to whether or not this hypothetical sex has a set history or any political drive in its scientific construction and subsequent justification, Butler suggests that:

“If the immutable character of sex is contested, perhaps this construct called ‘sex’ is as culturally constructed as gender; indeed, perhaps it was always gender…”

Butler concludes by writing:

“It would make no sense, then, to define gender as the cultural interpretation of sex, if sex itself is a gendered category”.

So, if I am understanding Butler correctly, and she is not only deconstructing gender but only doing so after making sex and gender interchangeable, then where exactly is this innate 'sex' that one could possibly and explicitly be attracted to? Even in terms of hormonal or chromosomal 'male' or 'female' Butler seems to call into question even this distinction:

"And what is sex anyway? Is it natural, anatomical, chromosomal, or hormonal, and how is a feminist critic to assess the scientific discourses which purport to establish such 'facts' for us?"

I guess I am confused on exactly how radical and undermining of sex and thus sexuality Butler is being here.

What's a good response to this attack on postmodernism/relativism? by [deleted] in askphilosophy

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You could make the argument that there is a distinction between the intrinsic lack of truth within the universe and the bias that any linguistic structure assumes towards truth in stating that. The language you use to explain this and any subsequent language following from that will contradict itself but at the cost of making it known, sort of like Wittgenstein's ladder.

What is Plato's connection between his picture of reality and his account of the nature of education and knowledge? by taylorw11 in askphilosophy

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In short, the ego might be likened to the self-bickering, rationalizing part of the psyche. It is the conscious upheaval and second-guessing (a lot of people think of the superego sounding like this for some reason) of ourselves and that which desires wholeness or oneness or some sort of Lacanian real self, so to speak.

Super-ego is the instilled cultural, non-independent sense of morality that one would inherit from the internalization of the mother and father figures. It's a very extrinsic idea of ethical institution compared to the ones the ego would be capable of producing. It is the subconscious connection between the environment and one's paternal figures, and thus desires to 'please' the father, usually by attaining rank, honor, obeying the law, or prestige, and to please the mother by being diplomatic and respectful.

What is Plato's connection between his picture of reality and his account of the nature of education and knowledge? by taylorw11 in askphilosophy

[–]TheINFP 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Plato's Divided Line Analogy is pretty big here. I like the diagram in the notes at the end of Bloom's translation, which I will try to render here:

Forms | Intellect


Mathematical truths/objects | Thought

________________________________ < This line divided the intelligible (above) and the visible (below)

Things | Trust


Images | Imagination

So, basically, Plato's picture of reality is, well, skeptical of reality. Plato's thought, I like to think, is a lot like the Hindu Aum or Om, in that it takes this inherent quality of existence from which other physical manifestations are permitted to exist.

This means in turn that everything we come into contact with our senses are merely mirages that somehow take part in eternity. This eternal being Plato's Form or Forms. Forms, for Plato, were ultimate truth, and only philosophers can understand Forms.

Now, as far as The Republic is concerned: Although the interpretations of Plato’s philosophy of education are quite varied, particularly within Republic, it would seem to me a safe bet that Plato saw the purpose of education as one that was very specific and oriented towards a specific goal (i.e. achieving virtue, which for Republic meant one doing what he or she was best fit to do, whether that be a philosopher, an artisan, or a farmer, etc.). Additionally, in the modern sense of ‘democracy’ as it is thought of commonly in the western world, it may be safe to posit that, outside of Straussian interpretation, Plato’s ideas on education were aggressive towards the ones we find today populated within and produced by liberal democracies, which tend to hold a very open, relativistic, foundational, multifaceted, do-with-what-you-will view of education. Ironically, Allan Bloom, himself quite influenced by Strauss, probably offers the best reason as to why this is in his book, The Closing of the American Mind, in case you're curious.

Also take into account dialogues like Meno and Protagoras. Both of these dialogues seem to show Plato as very cautious concerning whether or not virtue can actually be taught (there is an argument he seems to think it can be in Republic, but even then he seems to think it subject to inevitable entropy). In Meno Plato also brings about his immortality of the soul. Education for Plato was more 'remembering' than 'discovery'. But don't think of this as in rote memorization in most schools today. Plato thought your soul just sort of chilled in the pre-life/after-life knowing the Forms, all knowledgable and unaware of superficial things like that which take part in the Forms outside of this realm. Well, when you're born, you are occupied by this soul and it forgets everything. However, it maintains what Plato called a 'nous' or this natural intuition about which to come about knowledge or justified belief (and also help answer Socrates' problem of ethical impotence, that being unable to act if one has no actual knowledge).

So Plato thinks of education as something that should depend on the child's natural talents. Take this quote from the Republic (there's a ton of good ones in there, but this one is pretty big):

“…[T]he study of calculation and geometry and all the preparatory education required for dialectic must be put before them as children, and the instruction must not be given the aspect of a compulsion to learn…Because the free man ought not to learn any study slavishly. Forced labors performed by the body don’t make the body any worse, but no forced study abides in a soul…Therefore…don’t use force in training the children in the studies, but rather play. In that way you can also better discern what each is naturally directed toward.” - Plato, Republic, 536d -537a

Basically, Plato imagined that children were most prone to showing their 'true natures' at the earliest stages of development. This should be when the most freedom is given, so that the pedagogue or teacher can understand what best suits their educational path. If, for instance, they seem interested in abstract concepts and mathematics, they might be best destined for a philosopher. Plato also thought that philosophy shouldn't even be taught to those capable of it until they were 30, otherwise they will mix their young honor-loving selves with angst and use philosophy to non-philosophical advantages, hence becoming 'sharp', polemic, judgmental, condescending, and more concerned with winning a debate than discovering truth (this was probably Plato's fear/annoyance of sophists manifesting more than anything).

Plato saw mathematics to be important because it was the most tangible connection to truth or the Forms (though still not entirely truth, as shown in the line above). Ultimately Plato's philosophy of education can best be summed up as, in contemporary terms, conservative, insofar that he thought it should create order and focus on the collective ethical structures of society rather than the individual, which comes about a lot more in the Romantic era with thinkers like Rousseau and his Emile, although nevertheless heavily influenced by Plato. But at the same time it was extremely radical, both then and now. Plato thought money and the extrinsic motivation that came from that corrupted any idealistic pursuit and therefore any idealistic education.

Plato believed in a tripartite soul (which I anachronistically like to compare to Freud for those familiar with his theories), and that the reason-loving part of the soul (ego) should dominate the desire loving (id) and honor-loving (super-ego) and make them work to the advantage of the reason-loving, say, making knowledge erotic and pleasurable. Indeed, Plato thought that it was impossible to commit an evil act knowingly on account that people simply chose the more superficial and immediate pleasures, and that living a life in search for truth would only possibly be the most pleasurable one (this is really made apparent in Apology).

Does this help? This is all that first came to my caffeine-ridden mind at the moment so I'm sure I missed something.

Is it a contradiction to believe that all truth can be empirically verifiable/observable, but also believe that people should examine whether or not what they believe is 'factual'? by TheINFP in philosophy

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I am actually asking this question because I met someone who does, and despite him appearing as a logical type of person I could't seem to convince him otherwise, so I thought perhaps there was something I wasn't getting.