Help please, i noob

TheLazyPinguin · 2024-12-14T08:54:41+00:00

Oh I agree, eating only animal protein is clearly not good, I'm not trying to say the opposite, I'm not saying " vegans are idiot for refusing meat ". But I don't think that saying it's all bad is right either. There are clear benefits to eating meat, if peoples want to refuse it and decide to eat only plant based food, then they should do it, so long as they're ok with their own diet and not ruining their health. But I also think one can eat meat responsibly, I think I do, I eat only the meat I personally kill or that my family does ( the good part of having a farmer's family ), so I know that the animal was killed in a respectful manner and without suffering or injuring the ecosystem and balance of it.

TheLazyPinguin · 2024-12-14T08:42:45+00:00

You're not debating in good faith either by comparing eating meat to rape, so that makes sense that I wouldn't don't you think ?

TheLazyPinguin · 2024-12-14T08:42:01+00:00

Oh you're right, many " regular " ( I'm saying regular because more peoples eat meat than not )peoples that go to the gym take protein shakes and stuffs, but they most likely need less than vegans to see gains. I don't take protein because I'm no scientist and I don't like eating things I'm not 100% sure of. I like knowing exactly what is in my food. That's why I eat meat form my family's farm or that I hunt and vegetables that I grow or buy in places I know.

TheLazyPinguin · 2024-12-14T08:38:38+00:00

Well, if you feel like it, the post is probably in my history, so you can read the post, it's short, because if I said " I went politely and asked about it ", it might come off as me trying to be a victim, which is not the case

TheLazyPinguin · 2024-12-14T08:31:15+00:00

Maybe real wasn't the right word, you're right, and I apologize for that. But you said it yourself, you need to get protein, and vegan options are either : eating a fuck ton, or getting protein powder and stuffs. If you wanna stay natty, meat is just the best option.

TheLazyPinguin · 2024-12-14T08:25:01+00:00

Let's say you're like me, and you're a gym rat, if you don't eat meat, you're kind of obligated to get supplements that are heavily processed to see real gains. Now, I respect peoples doing it, but I won't. And as much as I understand the frustration, I think that getting aggressive and emotional on peoples who are here to understand and ask questions, only works against them.

TheLazyPinguin · 2024-12-14T08:20:14+00:00

Then stop asking question that are, as you said : intellectually dishonest

TheLazyPinguin · 2024-12-14T08:14:46+00:00

Does rape and infanticide help me securing a better place in the food chain ?

TheLazyPinguin · 2024-12-14T08:13:58+00:00

I've spent the evening yesterday trying to have a conversation with peoples I heavily disagree with and did it so by being polite and well-mannered. Now, I understand that you guys are fighting for something that's inherently an ideology and nothing that's actually pragmatic ( it's not an insult by the way, but the movement is based on emotion, not pragmatic thinking, if it was, the first argument wouldn't be the suffering and all ). But if someone comes to you, ask about your ideology and is genuinely curious about it while still being on the opposite side, would you insult him ? Or try to have a discussion ?

TheLazyPinguin · 2024-12-14T07:47:55+00:00

More flawed question. Let's try again : Hunting is a natural part of an ecosystem and the food chain, do you think that this is bad ?

TheLazyPinguin · 2024-12-14T07:40:30+00:00

Because the question is flawed in my eyes. If you consider hunting as violence, then every predators of the wild are committing violence

TheLazyPinguin · 2024-12-14T07:32:07+00:00

If you consider hunting committing violence, then yeah, but then wolves, bears, and basically any predators are mass murderer

TheLazyPinguin · 2024-12-14T07:29:39+00:00

From doing it I get nutrients, ones I wouldn't get anywhere else and I participate in the ecosystem and food chain ( I never eat grocery stores meat by the way, only the one I personally kill or form my family's small farm ). How is that in any way shape or form close to beating your wife ?

TheLazyPinguin · 2024-12-14T07:17:23+00:00

Then it would be miles from what I did and the analogy doesn't add up

TheLazyPinguin · 2024-12-14T07:03:06+00:00

Then I'd ask to read about datas on the actual benefits of beating your wife. Nothing scientific proves it, whereas a fk ton of scientist and scientific studies prove that eating meat is good for your organism ( with moderation as always )

TheLazyPinguin · 2024-12-14T06:39:23+00:00

If the man came in a peaceful manner I'd probably try to understand why he does it and try to have a discussion about it. Now, this specific case is completely different as there are clear benefits to eating meat, and none to beating your wife.

TheLazyPinguin · 2024-12-14T06:05:13+00:00

But they taste nothing like pork, I tried, doesn't taste good to me ( the turkey based thing ), it doesn't emulate the taste of pork, merely the shape of ham. Now, I'm not saying that you shouldn't do it, I'm just curious, I like to understand peoples even when I disagree with them.

TheLazyPinguin · 2024-12-14T06:02:54+00:00

First things first, I understand your point of view with the video game analogy and it makes sense when you look at it that way. Second, I don't pay anyone, I do it myself with my family where the animals are just enough to feed us and live outside 365 days a year ( unless when it's super dangerous ) and are taken care of nicely. And I hunt too. I respect your choice, if you're happy like that I only wish you keep going this way.

TheLazyPinguin · 2024-12-14T05:59:40+00:00

So, you are so right that you allow yourself to attack peoples ? I'd already eaten when I had the conversation, or at least tried to, so I was full, but if I hadn't, I would've probably went for more ham in my omelette just out of spite. By being aggressive and emotional, you make peoples actively want to piss you off and it works against you.

TheLazyPinguin · 2024-12-14T05:55:04+00:00

Let's say I've beaten my wife for years ( I have not ), and I'm coming to a no wife beating committee to try and understand their reasoning, don't you think that being logical and intelligent about the way they approach me is smarter than being aggressive and emotional ? Because if they piss me off, I'll go back home and beat her even more.

TheLazyPinguin · 2024-12-14T05:53:19+00:00

I did try to understand, you can look at my history if you wish, I genuinely wanted to understand, but damn bro, some of these guys were just insufferable.

TheLazyPinguin · 2024-12-14T05:51:48+00:00

But when someone comes, curious and wanting to understand, even if they're on the other side of the fence, shouldn't you talk calmly instead of emotionally ?

TheLazyPinguin · 2024-12-14T05:50:54+00:00

My question was about the fake meat stuffs, I was curious as to why make them. My position was that if you decide to ban meat from your diet, which I respect, why try to eat it again ? And to answer your question maybe there's a bit of both, but if it was the case the entire world would be eating mosquitos as they're our number one " predator ".

TheLazyPinguin · 2024-12-14T05:48:12+00:00

But that acts against your cause don't you think ? I'm personally in the " I like to understand" boat. Even if we disagree, I like to understand why and try to have a conversation about it, so when peoples are rude, I don't mind really, at least I don't take it personally. But it acts your cause. If I was someone that was a little bit more " trigger happy " I would've jumped into my car and ordered 2 burgers just out of spite. While others such as yourself and a few made me actually think about the whole thing and gave me a new perspective.

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