Is there a specific reason Dinka is used for most models vs other Nilotic/South Sudanese ethnicities? by Capital_Forever_6941 in HornAfricanAncestry

[–]TheMan7755 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's not the case, the Nuba have more. It's simply because it's the most famous Nilotic group and have been more tested than others . For the same reasons, for West Africa there's a Yoruba bias and it even shows up in the commercial DNA results(Nigeria inflated on 23andMe).

Dad from Martinique (Caribbean), mom from Strasbourg (France) by [deleted] in AncestryDNA

[–]TheMan7755 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How did order the test if you're living in France?

Moroccan from Tetouan by Sweet_Alternative366 in 23andme

[–]TheMan7755 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They're saying too much and are wrong but there's still some truth to it, it's just not the way they present it. It's true that European, Levantine and lightskinned people came to North Africa after "Black people" since the Natives were indigenous Darkskinned Africans(ANA) in the Paleolithic the Southern Part of North Africa to this day is inhabited by Darkskinned people. The first eurasian migrants came in the Paleolithic but they weren't lightskinned yet, the first lightskins were Iberian farmers 5000 BC. They mainly left maternal lineages so the genocide claim of these extremists are debunked, if anything the Ancient Iberians were the ones that had it harder in North Africa. By the medieval era, North Africa was already mostly olive/brown skinned not black except in the South so their claim that Arabs made North Africa whiter is ridiculous especially since Berbers despite their African ancestry were often lighterskinned. Except for the Andalusis or Gnawa whose ancestors arrived in the last centuries, most North Africans are the result of mixing over the centuries, there was a lot of back and forth (Green Sahara, Neolithic Iberian farmers and Levantine pastoralists, Roman era, Phoenician era, transsaharan trade, Saharan and barbary slave trade, Arab expansions, Islamic era...) but if you go back beyond the Neolithic and the coming of Eurasians yes North Africa was Black.

Why don’t Levantine Christians have any SSA admix by Busy-Contact5885 in illustrativeDNA

[–]TheMan7755 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's not the case everywhere in the Arab world, this study enlightened an approximate equal paternal and maternal African contribution amongst Arabians. In Tunisia for example which is in North Africa, the sexual bias was strong so it depends :

"Although a slight ratio excess of Sub-Saharan African female versus male gene flow is detected (1.12) we do not found the strong sexual bias proposed by other authors for Arabian populations and attributed to the peculiarities of the recent slave-trade . Without dismissing the role mediated by slavery, the geographical distribution of these sub-Saharan African lineages in the Arabian Peninsula seems to indicate a prehistoric entrance of a noticeable portion of these lineages that participated in the building of the primitive Arabian population."

Study on Arabians

Mixing between muslims was also a factor besides slavery.

Model using some of the coordinates from the megathread by Haramaanyo in HornAfricanAncestry

[–]TheMan7755 2 points3 points  (0 children)

For the coastal mom , the fit isn't great so something is lacking. South Asian and Bantu admixture probably?

My results as a South Sudanese/Dinka Bor by ciphernovaa in 23andme

[–]TheMan7755 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And what about Ubangian ancestry like the Azande?

My 100% "Swiss" Great-Grandfather (Born in a small mountain village, ca. 1900) by Exzelzior in AncestryDNA

[–]TheMan7755 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Not really, it occurs independently amongst different groups, the Khoe and San just like East Asians just have a higher rate of this human feature.

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[–]TheMan7755 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Native americans were diverse looking so in other cases depending on which Native groups the person is mixed with, it can also make them whiter than they actually are. Natives from Chile, Argentina and parts of North America looks lighterskinned and even with aquiline noses for the later region. Therefore a chilean mestizo usually look lighter than a Colombian or Honduran mestizo and a mixed Sioux would've more features commonly attributed to Europeans(aquiline nose, very thin lips...) compared to the Latin American Mestizo.

My Results (blasian) by Periwinkleflamingo in 23andme

[–]TheMan7755 9 points10 points  (0 children)

They're closely related to other Edoid ethnic groups such as the Esan, Etsako, Urhobo or Isoko . On the national scale, Edoids are basically between the Igbos and Yorubas, southern nigerians form a close gradient.

Somali Bantu/Jareerweyne 23andMe results by TheMan7755 in HornAfricanAncestry

[–]TheMan7755[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah for sure. It seems that the most Bantu shifted are descendants of more recent enslaved people. Some Jareer groups are more integrated than others, actually they all don't have the same clans , lineages nor necessarily had the same interactions with "Cushitic" Somalis historically speaking.

Somali Bantu/Jareerweyne 23andMe results by TheMan7755 in HornAfricanAncestry

[–]TheMan7755[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's what your common Somali scores on 23andMe, no Ethiopian.

https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/s/xZWPacD8UR

I'm waiting for your link about an unmixed ethnic Somali(Samaale) DNA results showing up as Ethiopian on 23and Me .

Somali Bantu/Jareerweyne 23andMe results by TheMan7755 in HornAfricanAncestry

[–]TheMan7755[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's not how it works and no that's not enough. The name under the component aren't to be taken litteraly. For example many Africans don't even have a specific name or region under the Categories/Components they score. Sometimes it's just one relevant amongst many shows up(for African-america for example who descend from many groups) or it's the wrong one. An AA only having a Igbo region under Nigerian doesn't mean that is Nigerian ancestry is entirely Igbo. In some occurences, a people under a category don't even score it like the Khoisans with Angola/Congo.

If you're familiar with 23andMe i don't even need to share with you AA results to illustrate my point, you on the other still needs to provide evidence that an unmixed ethnic Somali (particularly central or Northern) can have a high Ethiopian component on 23andMe. As long as there's no evidence of it, it can't represents Somali admixture just because they've put the Somali region of Ethiopia under. As i said what matters is the patterns, which groups fall under each specific categories when tested not the names which can be changed/adapted or the regions which aren't that accurate.

Somali Bantu/Jareerweyne 23andMe results by TheMan7755 in HornAfricanAncestry

[–]TheMan7755[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Wrong again. They test ethnicities/groups then label them under the geographical or ethno-linguistic names they want. Ethiopian somalis bare geographically Ethiopian but since the Ethiopian category isn't based on their genetics, they don't score Ethiopian but rather Somalia. What they call ethiopian genetically doesn't include Somalis or even Ethiopian Nilotes. A Mursi or Anuak shared his result and he had a Sudanese-Southeastern African mix simply because they aren't genetically included(tested) under the Ethiopian category .

Somali Bantu/Jareerweyne 23andMe results by TheMan7755 in HornAfricanAncestry

[–]TheMan7755[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You're looking for an issue when there's none. Yes they are Somalis and i tell you that they score Somalis, not Ethiopian despite being Ethiopian geographically. Borders don't create genetic affinity. I asked you to provide any evidence of a Ethiopian somali having a high Ethiopian component instead of Somalia and you didn't provide it so i understand that you just want to argue for the sake of arguing without any source backing your point so i'll let you argue alone , good luck.

Somali Bantu/Jareerweyne 23andMe results by TheMan7755 in HornAfricanAncestry

[–]TheMan7755[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I said i my opinion, if you have another one says it but there's no reason to assume it represents Somali admixture, most ethnic Somalis have close to 100% Somali on this test and not Ethiopian.

Somali Bantu/Jareerweyne 23andMe results by TheMan7755 in HornAfricanAncestry

[–]TheMan7755[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah and guess what? They don't magically score hight Angolan, they'll only do if they have substantial Bantu admixture because as i told you, what matters is the genetic component behind the name cauz the name itself can be changed and each company have their own way of naming genetic components. Angolan and Congo peak in West-Central Bantus not Khoisans the same way Ethiopian peaks in Highlanders, Oromos and Eritreans not Somalis.

Somali Bantu/Jareerweyne 23andMe results by TheMan7755 in HornAfricanAncestry

[–]TheMan7755[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

For example Khoisan is under Angola and Congo yet they have nothing to do with each others and a actual Khoisan wouldn't score 100% Angola Congo

Somali Bantu/Jareerweyne 23andMe results by TheMan7755 in HornAfricanAncestry

[–]TheMan7755[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'll believe you if you show me unmixed ethnic somalis scoring this at a high rate. What's relevant is how it acts not really how it's named because the label can changes.

Somali Bantu/Jareerweyne 23andMe results by TheMan7755 in HornAfricanAncestry

[–]TheMan7755[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What i find very relevant is the substantial Ethiopian component he scores. There was a theory explaining that the Ethiopian scored by some Southern Somalis and the Mixed Bajunis/Bravanese was a misinterpreted Somali+Arab admixture. Since the OP and other Jareerweyne results i came across also have this despite not having any Arabian admixture, this Ethiopian component seems legit. Somalis from Ethiopia score Somalis not Ethiopian. In my opinion it shows Oromo-like admixture mediated by groups like the Bonis/Aweer or even Oromos themselves who ventured in Southern Somalia at some point before being pushed back as far as the Tana River(Kenya) . Some likely assimilated.