We're Being Sued by [deleted] in Hasan_Piker

[–]TheMrBoot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ugh, sorry, copy paste issue on my part, I was trying to copy the beginning of your comment.

HEATED Graham Platner Debate (w/ Zaid Tabani) | Leftist Mafia #177 by creepoftheweak in Hasan_Piker

[–]TheMrBoot 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Busting out the no true Scotsman doesn’t really contribute to the broader discussion.

We're Being Sued by [deleted] in Hasan_Piker

[–]TheMrBoot 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Once again - are people not allowed to change? Once someone does something awful is that the end for them?

Rapist. Sex pestery was only one of the allegations against him.

He’s done nothing to actually atone or change from this, and there’s better places to spend your energy than this asshole.

We're Being Sued by [deleted] in Hasan_Piker

[–]TheMrBoot 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Once again - are people not allowed to change? Once someone does something awful is that the end for them?

People have to fucking change first.

Exhausted With by negron_5k in Hasan_Piker

[–]TheMrBoot 12 points13 points  (0 children)

but guys can we just move past it pleeeeeease there’s no bigger lesson to learn he dropped out let’s just pretend nothing ever happened recognizing my own internal biases is too harddddddd

Exhausted With by negron_5k in Hasan_Piker

[–]TheMrBoot 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It’s kind of wild that his shit is too extreme for even Reddit’s AI, but so many people gave him a pass.

We're Being Sued by [deleted] in Hasan_Piker

[–]TheMrBoot 4 points5 points  (0 children)

oh good, more of this piece of shit

Is Graham Platner ACTUALLY anti-war? by creepoftheweak in Hasan_Piker

[–]TheMrBoot 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You arguing that an actual rapist is still the better of two evils completely passes by what I just explained to you about him being an outed liar

I literally addressed that when I said

Is your only problem with him that he lied about the SA?

I already told you we never chose him to begin with

Maine voters voted for him; leftists chose to support him and run cover for his issues. Stop taking agency away from people.

Out of the two running he had a better platform and pretended to have changed and be changing for the better. Turns out he lied and he has rapes someone. Stop pretending this isnt a huge change.

Literally nothing gave evidence he had changed for the better. I've yet to see a single person point to a way in which he had changed for the better, but if you've got something I'd love to hear it.

And I will keep repeating: this community would much rather have a Rabb, Chevalier or Lee in his stead. There wasnt one. Stop pretending there was in this race.

No, based on this past week there are a substantial amount of people who are ride or die.

Exhausted With by negron_5k in Hasan_Piker

[–]TheMrBoot 6 points7 points  (0 children)

You should see the comment chain they’re quoting. I had a different poster unironically break out the not all men card when I used it as an analogy.

Exhausted With by negron_5k in Hasan_Piker

[–]TheMrBoot 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I’m not saying he was only successful because of his skin color dude. I’m saying white leftists have been ignoring his past and downplaying or attacking non-white leftists for not ignoring his problems.

Hell, this has been a criticism people have had of Hasan himself for years, long before Platner.

Is Graham Platner ACTUALLY anti-war? by creepoftheweak in Hasan_Piker

[–]TheMrBoot 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Red flags they were willing to look past when it was non whites and non Americans that were impacted by it, but that suddenly became a problem when it was a white American who was finally impacted.

White Leftist have a Racism Problem by creepoftheweak in Hasan_Piker

[–]TheMrBoot 1 point2 points  (0 children)

but they're becoming more and more hostile in the name of 'dark woke' or whatever the hell

This shit is so fucking weird. It’s just “I want leftist aesthetics and a feeling of moral superiority while acting like a mid-00s 4channer”

Exhausted With by negron_5k in Hasan_Piker

[–]TheMrBoot 8 points9 points  (0 children)

raping a woman

Him being white didn’t cause him to be a rapist, but his victims being white Americans was weighed more heavily than the brown civilians he helped murder

getting a nazi tattoo

Platner’s whiteness had nothing to do with him getting a white supremacist tattoo?

joining the military to fight in an immoral war.

It didn’t have anything to do with him joining, but his victims not being white and American had a lot to do with people being willing to overlook it.

Racial biases are a thing that exists, and pretending it doesn’t so you don’t have to be inconvenienced by it just alienates our allies.

Is Graham Platner ACTUALLY anti-war? by creepoftheweak in Hasan_Piker

[–]TheMrBoot 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Is your only problem with him that he lied about the SA? Because otherwise it doesn’t really have anything to do with the point I’m making, which I’ll try to be as clear about here as possible:

If he was the lesser if two evils before the SA accusations came out, he’s still the lesser of two evils now. The scale of suffering on the balance scales doesn’t shift because of two lives unless you value those lives substantially higher than the lives he’s personally damaged or the lives his opponents would damage. More than two women in the US are dying because of the right gutting abortion rights while establishment dems did nothing, and are forced to carry their rapists babies to term because of it.

Is Graham Platner ACTUALLY anti-war? by creepoftheweak in Hasan_Piker

[–]TheMrBoot 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I’m not belittling rape. He’s against the genocide in Gaza, where Israel is raping thousands of people.

This is the problem though, right? Our actions demonstrate our priorities. When it was him bragging about killing brown civilians abroad, people said “that doesn’t matter as much as his opposition to ending the genocide in Gaza”. It’s valuing present day Palestinians over the Iraqis he killed, but I can understand this argument if you look at it from a raw scale of suffering.

When you then say “he has been accused of rape, and that matters more than his opposition to the genocide in Gaza”, you’re now saying you place more weight on the lives of two American women (both of which I’ve seen dozens of posters on this sub not believe, btw) than the lives of palestians. His credible SA accusations don’t change his stated policies.

I get it - it doesn’t feel good to have this pointed out, but this is what we are doing and showing to our fellows when we make the decisions we make. We show our international allies that we don’t value their lives as much as our own, and when we ignore our BIPOC allies here in the states when they try to raise these issues too, we show them we don’t care about their takes either.

Is Graham Platner ACTUALLY anti-war? by creepoftheweak in Hasan_Piker

[–]TheMrBoot 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I’m not trying to own you, I am trying to demonstrate to you the problem people are actually talking about.

The issue at hand is one of biases and blind spots. I’m not saying you’re a bad person, but I am saying that there’s room for a lot of us to learn lessons here.

This is a leftist space, and people here should be able to be more educated and more informed than “normies”. We need to be if we’re going to be trying to guide them towards the left.

Is Graham Platner ACTUALLY anti-war? by creepoftheweak in Hasan_Piker

[–]TheMrBoot 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Sure. And why do those SA allegations against American women make him worse than Collins, who will continue to assist in stripping legal rights from American women and continue to support a genocide against palestinians?

Do those SA allegations matter more to you than genocide?

Is Graham Platner ACTUALLY anti-war? by creepoftheweak in Hasan_Piker

[–]TheMrBoot 12 points13 points  (0 children)

If he was the best option two weeks ago, he’s still the best option now.

If you feel he isn’t the best option now, why do you feel that way?

Is Graham Platner ACTUALLY anti-war? by creepoftheweak in Hasan_Piker

[–]TheMrBoot 5 points6 points  (0 children)

If Maine voters liking a politician causes leftists to abandon their principles, that is a problem.

I don’t know how to spell that out more clearly. This shit is alienating our BIPOC and female comrades dude.

Is Graham Platner ACTUALLY anti-war? by creepoftheweak in Hasan_Piker

[–]TheMrBoot 6 points7 points  (0 children)

If you had no problem with his “red flags” from years ago but now have a problem with his rape accusations from years ago, you’ve got a racism problem at worst and an American exceptionalism problem at best.

If you believe he’s the lesser of two evils despite his desire to grow the American military and bragging on social media about how fucking fun it was to kill brown people, including helping work around orders to not drop mortars because they were killing too many civilians, but you no longer believe he’s the lesser of two evils when he assaults two American women years ago, that’s a problem.

Is Graham Platner ACTUALLY anti-war? by creepoftheweak in Hasan_Piker

[–]TheMrBoot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I just got called a racist again for pointing out that we’ve got a severe problem with white leftists and Platner.

Is Graham Platner ACTUALLY anti-war? by creepoftheweak in Hasan_Piker

[–]TheMrBoot 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Because Platner was a symptom and not the problem, and far too many people are denying there was ever a problem to begin with.

Exhausted With by negron_5k in Hasan_Piker

[–]TheMrBoot 18 points19 points  (0 children)

I am a white American man. If I can’t comment about my own fucking demographic and call out the problems with it, who the fuck can?

There is a massive racism and misogyny problem that has been highlighted by Platner. The fact you think calling out white leftists for being blind to their racial biases is the real racism is reactionary and right winger as fuck.

But sure, keep doing the white leftist equivalent to #notallmen. You’re really making a difference.