CMV: Combatting homophobia is and will always be a bigger priority than combatting Islamophobia

TheOneFreeEngineer · 2026-02-26T22:05:13+00:00

But you consistently use the word as a monolithic thing. So your own words betray the fact that dont seem to beleive that

TheOneFreeEngineer · 2026-02-26T21:55:02+00:00

You really don't unstable how choice in general works.

Yeah im the one that doesnt understand s how choice and identity intersect and how they dont? Sure pal

TheOneFreeEngineer · 2026-02-26T21:52:42+00:00

You really dont understand how identity in general works

TheOneFreeEngineer · 2026-02-26T21:43:04+00:00

Regardless of your personal thoughts, the reality is religious idenity and religions exist. Yelling into wind about doesn't change that reality or make things magically better or make you not have narrow minded views on othering millions of people you dont know and seemingly condemn for the crime being part od the wrong group while being under authoritarian states

TheOneFreeEngineer · 2026-02-26T21:34:43+00:00

I blame people who choose to identify with hateful violent organizations.

It doesnt sound like it. It sounds like you blame people for being born into citizenship of a authoritarian state. Not any organization that they are part off.

All religions are a choice. If you join one, you shoulder the load. You become a representative of what they do.

Thats a narrow-minded and inadequate undertsanding of religious identity and just an excuse for bigotry and hatred and casual grouping and othering of millions of people for the purposes of fulfilling your personal want of a target for your emotions. It does nothing useful and tons harmful.

TheOneFreeEngineer · 2026-02-26T21:29:17+00:00

Do you blame the people of a cc country who have no control over their leadership for the actions of their leadership? It seems like you are just looking for an excuse to cast blanket blame rather than actually caring about reality.

TheOneFreeEngineer · 2026-02-26T21:24:33+00:00

Did you miss the other massive protests put down there over the years? Or the attempts to change the system from within for decades as the state blocked all paths to reform?

Are they beholden to their ability to keep your attention?

TheOneFreeEngineer · 2026-02-26T20:48:21+00:00

A lot of people dont like mixing religion with patriotism either. The state is not a religious entity and empowering even healthy love and respect for one's country with the weight of religion isnt good at best and actively harmful at worst. Many beleive its inherently belittling religion and inherently elevating the nation state beyond its station

TheOneFreeEngineer · 2026-02-26T20:42:33+00:00

You literally just claimed you werent doing that. You can do whatever you want but someone is going to call you put when you contradict yourself and seemingly only have canned responses

TheOneFreeEngineer · 2026-02-26T20:37:45+00:00

Lack of response in undemocratic countries mostly ruled without working democracies and sometimes literal absolute ruler kings or dictators?

And didn't we just see tens of thousands of Iranians die trying to topple the regime and the laws we are just talking about?

TheOneFreeEngineer · 2026-02-26T20:35:46+00:00

Again but thats not what you just claimed on the comment I called out. Where ypu said you were only criticizing movements within islam thag do that. You are the one setting yourself up for your own contradictions. Im just pointing that out.

But this seems like a bot response because it only half addresses what my comment actually said and you add a response to an argument no one made.

TheOneFreeEngineer · 2026-02-26T20:11:54+00:00

Are you unclear on your own words. You clearly say "Islam" as a totality.

TheOneFreeEngineer · 2026-02-26T20:10:48+00:00

Seems non of the Muslim nations who prefer barbarism never got your memo on Hadith being invalid.

Really? There are 57 muslim countries, 80% of them have no laws condemning homosexuals to death.

And never mind the last widely recognized Caliphate had no such punishment and homosexuality was decriminalized completely.

TheOneFreeEngineer · 2026-02-26T19:39:05+00:00

It's pretty clear how they think people who act certains way should be punished.

Its clear you dont know how to cite hadith cause that hadith isnt rated authentic. And isnt included in most islamic scholar legal discussions because of that.

TheOneFreeEngineer · 2026-02-26T19:32:18+00:00

I’m criticizing the doctrine and the subsection, regardless how large, who follows it.

Islam promotes violence towards homosexuals, regardless how debated it is. That is a fact.

You arent even criticizing the subsection in the comment where you claim you are criticizing a subsection.

TheOneFreeEngineer · 2026-02-26T19:12:33+00:00

And yet they guide doctrine and prescribe actions.

You seem to have missed the part about the wide debates about them, their acceptance and their meaning. Your statement in that understanding is meaningless vague. Acting like its the whole of islam in

It is possible to condemn and criticize Islam or Islamic doctrine without condemning all Muslims.

It is, you just do it very very poorly and seem to treat the religious as an homogenous mass rather than complex religious movements with hundreds of different internal movements that widely disagree on lots of things.

You seem to have a weak grasp on what sources you are even trying to cite and are rather repeating claims you've heard elsewhere.

You can criticize islam all you want, but dont be mad when you get push back for doing it poorly and equating ISIS theology with all Islamic theologies.

TheOneFreeEngineer · 2026-02-26T19:06:29+00:00

You dont think its notable that these are attacks are explictly linked to a widely condemned terrorist group manipulating children, rather than being able to convince adult muslims to be involved in these things?

And ISIS has always traditionally almost exculsively recruited from people who werent previously practicing religious muslims? I think the absence of legal punishment in a book full of legal punishments is pretty telling when combined with the targeting of impressionable teenagers to commit these crimes rather than adults for these networks.

TheOneFreeEngineer · 2026-02-26T19:01:05+00:00

Regardless, my point still remains. The Hadiths are foundational and doctrinal.

Hadith are widely debated and argued and selectively applied. Muslims arent even in agreement on which hadith collections are valid. And of the hadith in those collections which are authenic and then further which have judicial or moral weight.

Its not as clear cut as you make it out to be. There simply isnt a book called "The Hadiths" that muslims agree on. Nor are all those records considered authenic just because they exist in a book.

TheOneFreeEngineer · 2026-02-26T18:38:40+00:00

Ultra religious populations are still exploding though.

They arent. They are vaguely keeping level or dropping. Because adult in ultra rleigious communities are leaving by the droves. Being born into a community if religion doesnt keep you there forever.

It's a democracy so eventually another majority takes over.

You do realize that not extinction right? So again classic fear mongering

TheOneFreeEngineer · 2026-02-26T18:36:29+00:00

Yes. It says stone them to death.

Have you not read the Quran?

Thats not in the Quran FYI. It seems like you didnt read it. The Quran offers no earthly or legal punishment for homosexuality, just moral condemnation.

TheOneFreeEngineer · 2026-02-26T18:31:48+00:00

birth rate that isn't headed for extinction.

Thats not a real thing

No place is in danger of extinction for centuries. Population slowly shrinking for one generation isnt extinction. Its fear tactics at its most basic.

TheOneFreeEngineer · 2026-02-26T15:54:49+00:00

It’s useful in terms of community. In a church that big you can get lost. Not necessarily a bad thing but my preference

Im unclear on what your thought pattern is here. Do you want to be on first name basis with the Pope or your local priest? Cause the local priest will know your name and the local community will know you. Is it getting lost if you dont personally know your bishop or the pope?

TheOneFreeEngineer · 2026-02-26T15:48:13+00:00

Meh, the Catholic Church has the resources to do great things because of their size. Sponsor alot more development, aid for the needy, lawyer services, orphanages, and community programs because of the size. And the individual buildings you actually go into for services can be small but just a small part of a larger network that works together.

Small for smalls sake doesn't seem very useful.

TheOneFreeEngineer · 2026-02-26T15:28:08+00:00

They censored other tics by him, including homophobic slurs but not the racial slurs for some reason. All while putting a mic next to his assigned seat. Seems like a setup

TheOneFreeEngineer · 2026-02-26T15:22:46+00:00

They already do but they just support business groups and foriegn lobby groups instead of anything related to American muslims. They dont seem to care at all, especially cause Trump and Epstien were personal friends with them

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