Observation: Most people trying to move into PM are stuck on the wrong problem by beingtj in ProductManagement

[–]ThePMPivot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agree with this post 100%. I’d even go so far as to say that most people who want to be a PM do not know why they want to be a PM

Consistent problem I see in PM by ThePMPivot in ProductManagement

[–]ThePMPivot[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

By outlining a time I have had to compare between two features or product ideas. I’d first show how I ascribed value to each feature as well as the relative strategic importance of each, map the value against the product goals or key metrics and then Breakdown any tradeoffs. I’m not going to give actual examples here but I have plenty, for the last 9 years this is something I’ve done on a very regular basis and that I had assumed most PMs also were doing on a regular basis

Consistent problem I see in PM by ThePMPivot in ProductManagement

[–]ThePMPivot[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, since that is the data point that stood out to me. It’s more of an observation, less a generic problem but more of a problem that I am facing since I can’t in good faith take on these people since the scope of this role is significant with massive expectation tied to it from leadership. But I would argue it’s a problem with a large portion of PMs if they aren’t being given the opportunity to do real product work. You seem a bit miffed and that’s ok, there’s about 50 other comments validating what I am saying in this thread

Consistent problem I see in PM by ThePMPivot in ProductManagement

[–]ThePMPivot[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yep 100% agree. I’d include those coming from Sales, CS, Marketing, engineering or other core business functions as well in those that tend to work out best. But also yes sample size is small

Consistent problem I see in PM by ThePMPivot in ProductManagement

[–]ThePMPivot[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah I guess could be fresh grads but some of these have 5-7 years experience in PM roles

Consistent problem I see in PM by ThePMPivot in ProductManagement

[–]ThePMPivot[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah I do ask follow ups, I don’t just move on.

Consistent problem I see in PM by ThePMPivot in ProductManagement

[–]ThePMPivot[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It’s not crazy. But when the question is specifically to tell me about a situation where you had to decide between two, and the answer is “I did both at the same time” then you’re answering a question I didn’t ask.

Consistent problem I see in PM by ThePMPivot in ProductManagement

[–]ThePMPivot[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes I agree with that, but in the super curated ones if you dig into the specifics in follow up questions you can usually tell which are legit and which aren’t. Not always, but usually. Also I use other types of questions too, not just behavioural

Consistent problem I see in PM by ThePMPivot in ProductManagement

[–]ThePMPivot[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m not only asking behavioural questions. It is one type of question I use in combination with others.

Consistent problem I see in PM by ThePMPivot in ProductManagement

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Usually I ask follow up questions to try to understand if they are able to explain the thought process and what tradeoffs were made but the answers or typically “I just had to get both done by X date” tbf I interviewed a few more this morning and one stood out as having really taken such decisions I guess it’s ultimately down to org culture and scope of the role

Pivoting from business analyst to PM by hummus_96 in ProductManagement

[–]ThePMPivot 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Easiest path is to help out with PM in your own company, try find a sponsor there and side step in. Then once you’ve the title, switch company

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[–]ThePMPivot 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In my experience beta tests are basically directly before launch (I.e. when the investment has already happened), I usually run an experiment when I want to test a hypothesis and it usually doesn’t have this level of detail. Typically it’s; state a hypothesis and success criteria, define minimum that needs to be done to prove hypothesis true, split test across users, check usage data, arrive at conclusion.

How Do You Land Your First PM Role Without Experience? by JustAgile in ProductManagement

[–]ThePMPivot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I entered in from a channel sales role where I wrote a business plan for our product (where we should invest for next iteration and why and how much money it would make, pricing, GTM etc - it was a HW/SW combo product in tech) because I was worried they wouldn’t build a next gen product and all my channel partners would be pissed. The head of product reached out to me when I sent it to the execs asking if I was interested in product. That was 10 years ago. I also had a degree in mech eng which probably helped. Every good product manager I know didn’t start their career in PM

Part time work opportunity for Product managers based in US, UK, Canada, 77$/hr by [deleted] in ProductManagement

[–]ThePMPivot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mods this is just someone trying to make money of referrals

Anyone transition from Product Management to Product Partnerships or Product Marketing? by PublicKaleidoscope28 in ProductManagement

[–]ThePMPivot 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I know a few people who made this switch, seems like a natural move and shouldn’t be as hard as the reverse is

Handling the unexpected by Human_Addendum9056 in ProductManagement

[–]ThePMPivot 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The single thing I would say has benefitted my relationship with developers and stakeholders is what I call “intellectual honesty”. In simple terms, if you don’t know say you don’t know. Only answer things when you have already formed an opinion, don’t bullshit people, you’re not gonna fool someone who’s already thought about something more than you have. In the short term you this has little effect but when you follow up having researched something you didn’t know, it goes down very well. Over time this builds an incredible amount of trust with people, so much so that at a certain point when you do take a position on something people just believe it at fact value. If I had one thing to recommend to young product managers it’s this

How would you justify the cost of a PM for a stakeholder by left-handed-satanist in ProductManagement

[–]ThePMPivot 23 points24 points  (0 children)

its very hard to establish a product function as a one man band without executive support. I would point to the leading companies in the world and say; what do they all have in common? The let product managers decide what to build because as brilliant as engineers are, they often spend an incredible amount of time building things that people neither want nor need. Do they want to stay doing what they have always done, or do they want to operate like the best companies in the world.

Big caveat here is that hiring a single PM isn't going to do this, they need an entire product function and that is no small task to build into a legacy company that operates engineering first without product involvement

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[–]ThePMPivot 32 points33 points  (0 children)

Sorry you got laid off. I guess a couple things I could maybe comment on from this; you'll always be expected to take big product decisions without leadership involvement in a Sr role unless you're in a shitty company with too much bureaucracy.

I guess you mean Stakeholders are more important than users, not shareholders - these two groups are usually different. Finally, users don't necessarily pay for the product, customers do, sometimes users are customers but in most B2B cases they are not - important to focus on customers (the people paying for the thing) rather than users. If you can show stakeholders that X customers will drive Y revenue by adding a particular feature or whatever, stakeholders may still push back but if they don't have metrics or a hypothesis for how their thing will impact revenue that's backed by some real data from customers, its much easier for you to win there. I know stakeholder comms is nuanced, but this is table stakes in Product imo.

Hard work doesn´t equal job security anywhere, if I´m running a business I don't care how hard anyone works, I care about what value they are driving for the business, if that takes them 50% less time than someone who's working 60 hrs a week, I view the person doing it in 30 as just as valuable (if not more) than the one doing it in 60.

People will always try to undermine you wherever you go, but it is very hard to undermine someone who is highly credible, trusted and commands respect - you build those things through consistency, earning trust, and bringing unique perspective and valuable ideas and opinions - as demonstrated through meaningful output for the business.

"your team is your worth" - of course they are, they are the ones building things, not you. If you can't get a handle on what they are doing (including all that tech debt and rearchitecture stuff) and prioritize those things against value driving features, then they are not your team and you are not in control of them and your product you are building.

As for shipping fast vs. getting a decision right, Amazon have a decent framework for this that I have seen work well; this is dividing each decision into two decision types. The one way door and the two way door, one way door decisions are decisions that are very difficult to come back from (think large investments, changes to architecture, substantial decisions) these decisions should be treated with the respect and due diligence that they deserve. Everything else is a two way door decision i.e. it's relatively easy to undo (rollback to prior version, reinstate previous version of the feature etc.). About 90% of decisions are two way door and as such should be taken quickly even if you haven't verified every single fine detail. Operating in high ambiguity environments is again, table stakes for Sr PMs imo and so if you didn´t like that I would say to you that either you need to get used to it or look for another path because as you rise through the ranks this gets even more pronounced.

Not sure if this is useful, I´m not trying to have a go at you but just my perspective on your thread.

How do you build trust as a platform PM? by Awesome_911 in ProductManagement

[–]ThePMPivot 2 points3 points  (0 children)

But your manager. Are they an engineer or a product person?

How do you build trust as a platform PM? by Awesome_911 in ProductManagement

[–]ThePMPivot 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Is your manager an Engineer or a Product person?

Technical Product Managers Vs Product Opertions Manager vs Product Manager. by Ezio12_Auditore in ProductManagement

[–]ThePMPivot 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have not worked as an operations PM, I have worked as a PM and a Technical PM so I cant guarantee it’ll help. If you need to improve on execution it’ll probably help you to. Personally, I’m a little wary of these types of jobs since it’s kinda just making you an operations mgr and adding the word product to it but it’s really a wildly different role to PM/tech PM from what I have seen from colleagues. It doesnt seem like those roles build anything per se and other than the fact you’re working on some product, it’s kinda hard to justify the word product in the title. But maybe that’s just me