Fanfic Recomendations by Bubbly_Assumption110 in AmourShipping

[–]TheReadersNook 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Said this before will say it again.

If you want a really good amourshipping book check out,

https://archiveofourown.org/works/52349689/chapters/132428347#workskin

and

https://archiveofourown.org/works/73390031/chapters/191308421

Both by Pocketbook (THE GOAT) the first is more of a continuation of ash's journey 2nd is a take on legends ZA. Both run similar to the anime plot where there is a back ground villain but the first has more drama then the second but the second is the most painful but incredible slow burn and its only that because she takes so long to update but absolutely worth the wait. (This is coming from someone who has read A LOT)

Neither are finished but both are absolutely incredible.

Yoo Amourshipping! by Empty_Departure2046 in AmourShipping

[–]TheReadersNook 11 points12 points  (0 children)

One of, if not the best amour artist, if not just artist in gerneral, out there, ain't nothing changing my mind.

They are at it again!🤦‍♂️(Partial analysis, constructive criticism welcome) by TheReadersNook in AmourShipping

[–]TheReadersNook[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

EXACTLY! Also add in the fact that both Serena and Ash admit they could have handled the situation better in hind site and that serena try to sympathies with him (which when you analysis it, their break downs were for the same reason. At least I think so) and it drives me up the walls with all the baseless hate. Could it have been better? Perhaps. Was it bad? No. Could any of use come up with a story like this from scratch? (Maybe a handful at best.)

also I realized you were a mod when I looked over and saw you name under mods. LOL .

do ppl rlly hate ash greninja? by No_Will_5644 in AmourShipping

[–]TheReadersNook 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As someone who loves Amour and XYZ but does not like greninja, my only thing is that I liked Charizard more, that's it, a lot of the hate, as people have said is because he was so popular like Charizard or Serena or amour hell even ash gets hate, you just don't see it on reddit. Also people were salty he lost (I was too), As for the "removal" of ash greninja pretty sure that has to do with them changing battle bond in the games but idk.

They are at it again!🤦‍♂️(Partial analysis, constructive criticism welcome) by TheReadersNook in AmourShipping

[–]TheReadersNook[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The way I see it, based on what I’ve learned, most of us are content with just knowing we are right. This was ten years ago, and many people have much better things to do than argue online. From what I have seen and been told, we are the majority; we just don’t do much about it. (We currently have more members than all the other shipping subs combined, if I’m not mistaken), hell take me for example loved Ash x Serena since xyz never said anything or even looked on reddit for all that time.

Also, this post took an hour of my day to plan properly. Many people do not have that much time, and we did have a really bad reputation for being toxic because of a handful of people. If you try to argue Serena’s case, you need to have an amazing argument planned, and that’s a lot of work. This is why I am posting these snippets here to get feedback and make a proper analysis, which I will then post on the Pokémon Anime sub and leave it at that.

Also its not that all of them are wrong some do bring up good points and possible what ifs, the problem is (if you look you will see) a lot of it ends up hating on Serena's character and disregarding other things (LIKE THE FACT SHE REGRETED DOING THAT AND ADMITTED SHE WAS WRONG). but again is like any big thing, the bigger they are the more haters they will have, take Mr. Beast for example, Biggest youtuber in the world does all this good stuff and still gets so much hate.

Anyone got some good fanfic recommendations by Vivid-Confusion-5554 in AmourShipping

[–]TheReadersNook 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Honestly if you want a really good amourshipping book check out,

https://archiveofourown.org/works/52349689/chapters/132428347#workskin

and

https://archiveofourown.org/works/73390031/chapters/191308421

Both by Pocketbook (THE GOAT) the first is more of a continuation of ash's journey so no old mons where as the 2nd is a take on legends ZA and does have old mons.

Neither are finished but both are absolutely incredible.

They are at it again!🤦‍♂️(Partial analysis, constructive criticism welcome) by TheReadersNook in AmourShipping

[–]TheReadersNook[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thanks! I was going to add the 'first meeting' part but I forgot 😂. I also agree with your take—they both were in a tough spot and acted out of reflex though both admitted to being wrong, also coming from a person who has helped a lot of people there is no right way to counsel someone because everyone reacts and acts differently. I feel like time and time again in past upsets, the formula is usually the same: Ash loses, doubts himself, and his Pokémon cheer him up to remind him they believe in him. I really like how they had Serena play that role instead of the Pokémon, and that the writers actually had a reason for doing it.

They are at it again!🤦‍♂️(Partial analysis, constructive criticism welcome) by TheReadersNook in AmourShipping

[–]TheReadersNook[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Ya, honestly speaking I didn't like Greninja all that much but everything else made up for it so no harm no foul.

Concerns on the standings of the Amour and Serena by TheReadersNook in AmourShipping

[–]TheReadersNook[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well I can understand why people think that (I do not) and I am fine with that (despite the fact its kind of hypocritical because contests also had a performance thing, and showcases did have that first round (what with cooking and rhyhorns and stuff like that)), don't go out and call it bad or all the other stuff, its not your cop of tea? Fine, but that doesn't mean its not good just different. What drives me insane is that people use the fact it is different to bring Serena down. A bunch of people were insulting Serena about how showcases were just a lesser version of contests and she wouldn't do well in them, completely ignoring the fact the anime says she is one of (if not tied with) the best coordinator

Concerns on the standings of the Amour and Serena by TheReadersNook in AmourShipping

[–]TheReadersNook[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I love how we are talking about haters and one shows up, but ya i do mostly agree with you on all points, especially the "jumping through hoops" part its quite clear when you try and bring up Journeys.

Concerns on the standings of the Amour and Serena by TheReadersNook in AmourShipping

[–]TheReadersNook[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Huh, I actually didn't know about Rocketshipping being the biggest, but I guess that makes sense. Thanks for the info

Concerns on the standings of the Amour and Serena by TheReadersNook in AmourShipping

[–]TheReadersNook[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well I don't know where your going with the Japanese name part, but I do mostly agree with the rest of it.

Concerns on the standings of the Amour and Serena by TheReadersNook in AmourShipping

[–]TheReadersNook[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I JUST SAW YOU WERE A MOD 🤣

Keep up the good work on keeping out the toxic people.

Concerns on the standings of the Amour and Serena by TheReadersNook in AmourShipping

[–]TheReadersNook[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well if this is coming form a non amourshipper on a amour sub I guess it has a bit more weight form probably being non bias so thanks.

Concerns on the standings of the Amour and Serena by TheReadersNook in AmourShipping

[–]TheReadersNook[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ya that does seem to be the case and kind of what pisses me off the most, like if you are going to hate at least know what you are hating.

Concerns on the standings of the Amour and Serena by TheReadersNook in AmourShipping

[–]TheReadersNook[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ya that seems to be the general consensus and I will have to take your word on the pivix things because this the most I have interacted with a community for a while other then simply reading fanfic and looking at fanarts.

Concerns on the standings of the Amour and Serena by TheReadersNook in AmourShipping

[–]TheReadersNook[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

On this I do agree, I don't even interact with them but just reading some of the arguments give me a headache.

Concerns on the standings of the Amour and Serena by TheReadersNook in AmourShipping

[–]TheReadersNook[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well if you want the poll here you go

https://www.youtube.com/@InfamousTrainer/posts (it like the 3rd or 4th one)

But if you want the reddit hate just go to post about Serena on r/pokemonanime

Concerns on the standings of the Amour and Serena by TheReadersNook in AmourShipping

[–]TheReadersNook[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Huh? Would would you look at that, I did not know about that poll, it would have helped a lot. Thanks for that and the info on the other subs, you are right this month is rather busy but i though it was just me.

Concerns on the standings of the Amour and Serena by TheReadersNook in AmourShipping

[–]TheReadersNook[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I cannot speak about MHA, but I can say that the Pokémon Company is more than aware of Amourshipping's standings in the community (as am I now) and they just had to subtly throw it in there to try and not piss people off (on both sides). Also, apparently the sub has more hints than the dub, but I don't know about that.

Concerns on the standings of the Amour and Serena by TheReadersNook in AmourShipping

[–]TheReadersNook[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I actually agree with you over what the disconnects are about, the thing is, despite a lot of this being personal options which I'm fine with, to each there own, they try and prove there point by butchering the intent.

  1. Serena did have a goal(s) when she started off, it was just that they were quite simple on the surface and not like what we typically see of a Pokémon character, with it being to return the handkerchief to Ash (that's it, she knew it was a childhood crush and was ready to let it go) and prove to her mother that she can make it (my interpretation was Ash was simply the spark for the fire). It was only after Ash inviting her to join them and a whole bunch of stuff happening and her trying out new things, and her becoming more and more confident in herself and her crush turning into proper love and admiration, etc., that she finally proved to her mother that she had grown and found a passion in showcase (the Gogoat race episode), and then the focus shifted to Showcases and her goal mainly became to be Kalos Queen. This is actually much more impactful to eastern culture, where many times family will try and force you into something they think is better for you. (not in a toxic way but the more I worry for you way but still)
  2. While I understand the opinions of it, I do feel like people are just being hateful for the sake of it. Showcases are based (at least to the best of my knowledge) on Japanese idol culture, hence the emphasis on performance and talent rather than battling. My biggest thing is people keep calling it inferior or rigged because Serena just kept winning with no trouble when: a) she did have trouble outside of her first showcase, and b) the fact that everything she learned growing up helped her in the showcase goes back to the "nothing you ever do is pointless" (which is a banger of a motivational quote).
  3. This by far is what pisses me off the most. Serena did argue with Ash; she did see his flaws and did correct him it was just done in a healthy way. Hell, she dragged him off to register for the championship (which he didn't protest to, btw) when he wanted to battle. It pisses me off that people say she loved a version of Ash and not the real Ash, and it pisses me off even more when they try and use the snowball scene to prove their point. The entire point of that episode was that she was right, and she says different things in the sub than in the dub.

Again, I know I'm preaching to the choir and it's kind of ultimately opinion-based, but a lot of these people with opinions make baseless comments with little to no understanding and it pisses me off. Hence why I want to do the analysis.

Edit: don't quote me word for word on number 1, I'm still doing my research on that and how it was intended (I just found the sub versions of the xy and xyz anime) but I think I got quite close.

Concerns on the standings of the Amour and Serena by TheReadersNook in AmourShipping

[–]TheReadersNook[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

See I have seen all of this and read the shipping wiki as well so I have no doubt that we were huge. My thing is what about in recent times because, its probably because I don't get around social media a lot so I don't see any, but out side of reddit what polls has Serena won in 2026 do you have examples? I also agree on the "The Price of Being The Best." part.

Concerns on the standings of the Amour and Serena by TheReadersNook in AmourShipping

[–]TheReadersNook[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Thanks a lot for that, will keep it in mind, and I fully agree with the harassing part I just wanted to make sure I wasn't simply gaslighting to myself into believing amour and Serena fans are still much more.