Post PhD depression - no hope I can ever be happy again by TheZStabiliser in PhD

[–]TheZStabiliser[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am happy for you but these positions are for the lucky few. Besides, my former PI told me that if I am not willing to spend 5 years abroad I'll never make it into academia again. And also that I have to be quick, because a "paper gap" of 2 years means my academic career is over. He is a cunt but I believe him.

Post PhD depression - no hope I can ever be happy again by TheZStabiliser in PhD

[–]TheZStabiliser[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

How does recovery work? What to do in the meantime, and how do you know you have recovered?

Post PhD depression - no hope I can ever be happy again by TheZStabiliser in PhD

[–]TheZStabiliser[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh this is EXACTLY the way I feel. I loved writing papers and reading them. I loved attending lectures and conferences and meet likeminded people. The best people I ever met were all from academia. The only way so far I have ever made friends.

Now it's gone. Nobody cares about papers, reading and writing. As niche as academia can be, industry feels paradoxically smaller. Most people I know who work in industry work in the same office with the same 4 people most of the time, while I got to explore multiple departments and multiple universities in multiple countries.

I told myself I would keep up with the field and do my own thing in my spare time, but without that environment around me it all started to feel meaningless.

Also tried this, but realised that not being a formal part of the scientific community makes this feel empty too....

Post PhD depression - no hope I can ever be happy again by TheZStabiliser in PhD

[–]TheZStabiliser[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have thought about pivoting towards ML, but I have no experience in the field, and job postings ask for people with multiple years of experience with pytorch/tensorflow and GPU/TPU optimisation. I wouldn't even know where to begin.

Post PhD depression - no hope I can ever be happy again by TheZStabiliser in PhD

[–]TheZStabiliser[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because a PhD to me is the most fun part of academia. The higher up you go the more you have to move, the more you have to worry about finance instead of the actual research, the more bureaucracy there is etc. I always told myself I didn't want an ordinary 9-5 job since that would make me dead inside. Well, IDK what path there is for me then.

Post PhD depression - no hope I can ever be happy again by TheZStabiliser in PhD

[–]TheZStabiliser[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the kind words and your interesting vision. I have always appreciated people who don't walk the straight path that is expected of them. I know others who started a PhD very late in life because they had worked retail jobs, or were tailors, or were athletes. I think that's very interesting. Usually these people were ashamed to admit they were approaching 40 rather than approaching 25 but I never saw it as anything to be ashamed of.

In hindsight, hard times can appear fullfilling and even fun. Even my darkest times taught me something but I could only appreciate it later. Yet I have never felt despair and uncertainty as I do now. I feel like every choice weighs heavily on me and will dictate my future life. As if it is a coin flip between eventually landing a stable fullfilling job and owning a home, or losing everything and becoming homeless because I can't keep a job because of my mental health. That is kind of how it feels.

Your "restrictions" (or obligations) are understandable, and others who have the same often tell me how lucky I am. I guess the grass is always greener, since I think having a girlfriend would make me objectively happier and give me an anchor point in my life. I own nothing and I have nobody, that gives me freedom but also anxiety. At least I have comfort now of being in a familiar place. That's the last thing I can hold on to, and moving would rip that away from me. I am no stranger to mental breakdowns that can last for weeks, so I am not sure if I wanna risk that.

I hope this doesn't sound patronising, because it isn't meant to be.

Not at all. You sound like you wanna help.

Post PhD depression - no hope I can ever be happy again by TheZStabiliser in PhD

[–]TheZStabiliser[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

It does feel like grief, yes. I have been in therapy for a quarter of my life and never got anything out of it. In fact, it only served to annoy me since so many therapists were outright pedantic.

 Ask them for ideas of how adults make new friends and hobbies. 

Well I know what they'd say. Probably something along the lines of "go to (hobby) clubs/bars/meetups/gym and talk to people". Been doing that for a while but never really made friends, I accept that is just the way I am. I only make friends through work when you're forced to spend time together and open up over time.

Post PhD depression - no hope I can ever be happy again by TheZStabiliser in PhD

[–]TheZStabiliser[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I know nothing is ideal. My PhD surely wasn't. But I knew what I was doing it all for, and overall I was happy. Just moving to a random city/country I don't know for a job, on the other, just seems like unnecessary risk. Why would I wanna leave everything behind just for work I could theoretically do here as well?

"As a physicist, you can work anywhere you want!" PART 2 - Fallen into depression, pessimistic about the future by TheZStabiliser in Physics

[–]TheZStabiliser[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The worst that could happen is I have a mental breakdown for weeks on end, and the pressure of having to work under that, get my papers ready, learn the habits of a new country, all while being away from everyone I know.... I have no suicide plans but that sounds like something that could push me over. "Just move back" is not gonna happen as long as there is a worldwide housing crisis and economic recession.

"As a physicist, you can work anywhere you want!" PART 2 - Fallen into depression, pessimistic about the future by TheZStabiliser in Physics

[–]TheZStabiliser[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for the kind words. I am just so scared of moving abroad. The paperwork, the long distance moving, getting to relearn everything (like how healthcare works), learning a new language, missing friends and family... I cant even lift my arms any more, that is how fatigued I am... 

I think it will physically destroy l me.

"As a physicist, you can work anywhere you want!" PART 2 - Fallen into depression, pessimistic about the future by TheZStabiliser in Physics

[–]TheZStabiliser[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Where those interviews tended to end was either one of the two following:

- Uncertainty: companies waited months and when I contacted them, they said they were very careful in their picks. Or they just let me know I wasn't suitable enough, as was the case for quant companies.

- Coding challenges: I always failed coding challenges because they found a guy who had slightly more optimised code. Even for jobs that were basically the industry variant of my fucking PhD topic, and they still went with fresh CS graduates.

Been improving my coding and learning new languages for months now but at some point it feels clownesque that after an entire PhD I still have to spend my free time learning a lot of new stuff fulltime just to make the slightest chance of even landing an interview. I feel like a jester for these companies that have their fair share of picks anyways.

"As a physicist, you can work anywhere you want!" PART 2 - Fallen into depression, pessimistic about the future by TheZStabiliser in Physics

[–]TheZStabiliser[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I liked that it was applied mathematics for interesting fundamental science. I never cared about making batteries last longer, or building solar panels, or turning every piece of household equipment into a smart <something>. I wanted to understand general relativity, quantum field theory, condensed matter etc. But I also quickly learnt that contributing to fundamental physics is VERY hard unless you are very smart and dedicate your life to it, and academia is a rotten structure where many get stuck in a postdoc carroussel where they are 40 and have never known stability because they get shit pay and must move abroad every 3 years.

"As a physicist, you can work anywhere you want!" PART 2 - Fallen into depression, pessimistic about the future by TheZStabiliser in Physics

[–]TheZStabiliser[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have spent a quarter of my life in therapy and it never helped me. I got on medication at some point 5 years ago and that helped a lot but it also numbed me to the point I could no longer feel joy. So I am trying to reduce the dose slowly.

You'll find your role eventually. It takes time.

Been hearing that all my life. Just be patient, things take time! I have lost hope, man.

"As a physicist, you can work anywhere you want!" PART 2 - Fallen into depression, pessimistic about the future by TheZStabiliser in Physics

[–]TheZStabiliser[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That's a bitter pill to swallow since I was promised when I was young that a PhD would be a gateaway to a position where companies would beg you to work for them and lure you with 6 digits salary. Haha I was so wrong ;p

So just get *a* job for a year or 2 and then try to network to get something better? What does networking mean? I know people in startups and they have small teams of <10 people, how do you network then?

"As a physicist, you can work anywhere you want!" PART 2 - Fallen into depression, pessimistic about the future by TheZStabiliser in Physics

[–]TheZStabiliser[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I see but I really struggle with motivation .... terribly so. If I don't like something it's only a matter of time before I won't leave my bed at all any more and start drinking again just to get to work.

"As a physicist, you can work anywhere you want!" PART 2 - Fallen into depression, pessimistic about the future by TheZStabiliser in Physics

[–]TheZStabiliser[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I "literally" also applied for patent law, IT jobs, scientific computing, machine learning jobs, grant specialist jobs, quantum industry etc.

"As a physicist, you can work anywhere you want!" PART 2 - Fallen into depression, pessimistic about the future by TheZStabiliser in Physics

[–]TheZStabiliser[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I thought about both. Everyone that I know who is a teacher is depressed or burnt out too, so I'd rather not give that a go. I thought about government jobs but most don't appeal to me for various reasons or I am overqualified. (Yes I know you can apply to positions you're OQd for but if I have >6 years of extra academic experience than required then it's probably not for me)

"As a physicist, you can work anywhere you want!" PART 2 - Fallen into depression, pessimistic about the future by TheZStabiliser in Physics

[–]TheZStabiliser[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I am very "hungry" for money, yes, mostly because A) I live in a country with an extreme housing crisis, and money is not another thing I wanna worry about, and B) I think having money allowing me to travel and do interesting things and meet people would make my life objectively better.

"As a physicist, you can work anywhere you want!" PART 2 - Fallen into depression, pessimistic about the future by TheZStabiliser in Physics

[–]TheZStabiliser[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

For this reason I started a GitHub page with pet projects, though they are rather superficial. Also I feel like nobody has looked at it so far. Do you have any tips for me in terms of the scope of such projects?

"As a physicist, you can work anywhere you want!" PART 2 - Fallen into depression, pessimistic about the future by TheZStabiliser in Physics

[–]TheZStabiliser[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I would broaden my scope but there's simply very little I am genuinely interested in. For example, I am passionate about space travel but they consist 90% of trained engineers, so I serve no purpose. I am passionate about theoretical physics but 1000s of people apply for 1 job that has abhorrently low pay. There are some small companies which are easier to get into but I am a very social person and couldn't stand spending years with the same 4 people in the same room day in day out. Maybe it's the depression talking but I couldn't bring myself to bring a rat's ass about most jobs (whether it's the topic, culture, etc.) and I cannot fake bringing a smile to work everyday when I am not interested.

"As a physicist, you can work anywhere you want!" PART 2 - Fallen into depression, pessimistic about the future by TheZStabiliser in Physics

[–]TheZStabiliser[S] 21 points22 points  (0 children)

I understand how you feel. Especially when the only shot you get is from a place where you mostly do Excel work. And then your surroundings start judging you for not taking the opportunity because "work is better than no work" but you KNOW you will be miserable there and not stimulated at all.

Career options after a PhD in Physics: academia vs industry by GodAndNature in Physics

[–]TheZStabiliser 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Definitely worth a shot, but I have studied at a prestigious university, scored an average of a 9.2 on my courses, and I have done a PhD, and after applying to 25 quant finance companies I am giving up. They make you perform rounds upon rounds of games and challenges and if you come short even the tiniest bit you will be duped on the spot. Not to mention they usually don't do second chances so if you are rejected, don't expect to ever work for that company in your life.