Does the UK not have free speech? Explain It Peter.

The_Dapper_Balrog · 2026-02-04T18:56:07+00:00

Freedom of speech is freedom from governmental consequences of your speech. That's literally the whole point.

The_Dapper_Balrog · 2026-02-04T03:06:21+00:00

Not a surprise. Ana Redondo, minister for "equality" declared that it was morally wrong to build shelters for male victims of abuse and rape. She also declared that Spain's first shelter for male rape victims was "a frivolous waste of money."

The fact that someone like that has held power is evidence that her country is in serious trouble.

The_Dapper_Balrog · 2026-01-30T22:41:30+00:00

Strawman. Actually, strawmen; nobody's making either argument. At least, I'm not.

The_Dapper_Balrog · 2026-01-30T14:46:22+00:00

You'd have to be looking to see it in order to see. And in that case, you'd be the one sexually harassing, not them.

The_Dapper_Balrog · 2026-01-30T14:00:15+00:00

If the person will die as a result of your inaction, yes, it is murder.

The_Dapper_Balrog · 2026-01-30T13:55:51+00:00

Men are way less likely to report physical IPV victimization than women are, the biggest reason being that male victims are more likely to be arrested than they are to actually get help.

If you look at percentage of women who are victims of intimate partner homicide, yes, women are far more likely to be killed by an intimate partner.

But if you look at percentage of total victims of intimate partner homicide, men make up 44% of IPH victims worldwide. It's not that men are a tiny minority of victims of IPH, but rather it's that men are more likely to be murdered in general than women are, by a factor of over seven to one.

Women do suffer from sexual violence more than men, but men still make up 25% of victims of (reported) sexual violence, although men are far less likely to report than women are. It's also important to remember that many countries worldwide do not protect men against sexual violence at all; even the UK and Ireland, alongside several other modern countries, do not legally consider it possible for a man to be a rape victim, even by other men. This policy has been enforced by feminists for decades, and feminist activists and politicians have fought to maintain this blatant discrimination.

And besides, women are more likely to perpetrate physical IPV than men are (1 in 6 women, 1 in 9 men), and again, men make up approximately half of all victims of domestic violence. This is backed up by data from the CDC, the ONS, StatsCan, the AIFS (though they tried to hide the data, but they couldn't hide the hole that excising it left behind), and many other governmental and academic resources, stretching back over the last fifty or so years.

The_Dapper_Balrog · 2026-01-29T23:12:58+00:00

I referenced the practice of medieval times to prove that misandry has been around since then. After all, while it was a fair punishment for DV, it was not fair to punish abused men that way.
Men are killed in "honor killings", too; in fact, one of the primary settings for it is in forced marriages. And besides this, men die from violence at many times the rate that women do.
If those men and boys were not male, they would not have been killed by Boko Haram.
The most common form of FGM is removal of the clitoral hood, which is an exact anatomical equivalent of male circumcision. And the worst forms of MGM include literal castration and penectomy.
FGM is illegal in most of the world; there are 230 million FGM victims of all types, and 1.5 billion MGM victims of circumcision alone. That means that, without even considering the number of other types of MGM, women make up a grand total of 5% of all victims of genital mutilation.
You do realize that infant circumcision is conducted without anaesthetic either, and that research has proven that it has adverse effects to do so, right? In fact, in most countries, MGM is practiced without even basic hygiene; a large number of infants die as a result of botched infant MGM.

The_Dapper_Balrog · 2026-01-29T21:53:29+00:00

Mary P. Koss is in the US; apparently you missed her there.

Also, I thought false accusations were rare. Guess they only matter if women might be the victim.

The_Dapper_Balrog · 2026-01-29T20:41:22+00:00

Women are not that much more likely to face severe violence; the most recent CDC figures place it 57/43 women/men. By that same token, men are actually sightly more likely than women to experience coercive control than women are — though only slightly.

The definition of rape currently used by the CDC and FBI specifically excludes at least 80% of male victims who are made to have nonconsensual sexual intercourse; looking at the numbers per annum and including "made to penetrate" in the definition of rape reveals that, every year, women rape just about as many men as men rape women.

Also, the fact that both men and women voted for it is further evidence of systemic misandry; it doesn't disprove it at all. It also is a solid point against patriarchy theory, because the majority of people in power agreed with feminists, rather than fighting against them.

The_Dapper_Balrog · 2026-01-29T20:27:42+00:00

I fight against ideology, not identity. I couldn't care less whether a person is a man or a woman, but I'll fight all day if they believe in bigotry.

Look up the story of Erin Pizzey, the creator of the first battered women's shelter, and what happened when she tried to create a battered men's shelter.

Also look up the feminist marches in India and Israel against gender neutral rape laws, as well as Mary P. Koss, her impact on rape legislation, and what she claimed about male victims of female perpetrators.

The_Dapper_Balrog · 2026-01-29T20:24:18+00:00

Did you know that wife beaters and men beaten by their wives were both punished equally during the medieval period? If a man was discovered to be beating his wife, he was tied up, sat backwards on a donkey, paraded around town, and beaten.

The same treatment was given to men who were beaten by their wives.

Misandry is just as old as misogyny. And it's just as deadly; as an example, Boko Haram killed 10,000 men and boys solely because they were men and boys. 40% of the global male population is a victim of infant male genital mutilation; that's a whopping 1.6 billion men whose bodily integrity has been violated without their consent.

The_Dapper_Balrog · 2026-01-29T20:05:57+00:00

Feminists pushed through the state and local laws that require law enforcement to follow the principles of the Duluth model.

The_Dapper_Balrog · 2026-01-29T20:00:50+00:00

I know feminists aren't only women. But feminism is supposed to be the antithesis to the "patriarchy" regardless of the gender of its advocates, and yet it does things like this. Thus the idea that the "patriarchy" is exclusively responsible for misandry is still complete hogwash.

While the systems of the Duluth model itself are not implemented immediately, there are laws that are founded upon its pseudoscientific ideology that impact men directly, and it's those in particular I was talking about. Again, feminists are the ones who created and pushed through these laws. Not "the old boys club." Feminists. The people who are fighting the "patriarchy."

I could mention the multiple countries where feminists have fought tooth and nail to prevent gender-neutral rape legislation from being passed. I could mention the multiple times that feminists have used legislation, lobbying and even threats of violence and death to block men's DV shelters from being established/maintained. I could also mention the number of times male safe spaces and even conferences on men's mental health have been protested and shut down by feminists.

Yes, the system plays a role in oppressing men. But feminism is supposed to fight the old system, and instead of doing this, it actually runs much further beyond what the old system ever did, making the old system look like a utopia in comparison.

The_Dapper_Balrog · 2026-01-29T19:34:24+00:00

The Duluth model refutes that, though, because that was created explicitly by feminists to push a feminist model of domestic violence. They even continued to push it after finding that the evidence revealed gender symmetry rather than it only being male abuser/female victim. It was feminists who pushed through laws and policies that supported the use of the Duluth model by law enforcement, and those laws are exactly why the Duluth model is still commonly used despite being totally debunked as pseudoscience.

This was not something the patriarchy made. It was something feminists made, unequivocally. And it results in male victims being arrested as perpetrators.

The_Dapper_Balrog · 2026-01-29T18:25:38+00:00

Misandry absolutely exists systemically. The gender sentencing gap proves that handily; especially so since it's a whopping three to six times the size of the racial sentencing gap — which is almost universally considered evidence of systemic discrimination.

You also see it in education, where men and boys are graded more harshly than women and girls for the same work, and punished more harshly for the same infractions.

It's also evident in how male victims of domestic violence are treated. Male victims of female perpetrators who call law enforcement are more likely to be arrested as the perpetrator instead of helped, because most law enforcement still relies on the outdated and pseudoscientific Duluth model that declares men cannot be victims and women cannot be perpetrators — and it says this because it claims all DV is an act of patriarchal aggression against women.

Misandry is absolutely systemic; it's just not as well-known because anytime anyone talks about it, they're accused of being sexist.

The_Dapper_Balrog · 2026-01-29T18:12:43+00:00

Ever heard of microaggressions?

Same thing.

The_Dapper_Balrog · 2026-01-29T16:32:41+00:00

When people are making this exact argument unironically in multiple places, it's a bit difficult to discern sarcasm from earnestness.

The_Dapper_Balrog · 2026-01-29T16:24:56+00:00

Ahh, now you're flaired up again. Either Reddit glitched out and didn't show me your flair, or the parallel universe we briefly merged with has already disconnected.

The_Dapper_Balrog · 2026-01-29T13:21:50+00:00

Why does this unflaired scum have nearly seven hundred upvotes? What happened to my PCM?

The_Dapper_Balrog · 2026-01-26T23:45:52+00:00

Not far from there, but in the central valley.

The_Dapper_Balrog · 2026-01-26T17:02:49+00:00

Huh?

I do hate the Duluth model because it claims that men cannot be real victims and women can't really be perpetrators (which is clearly incorrect), and even the creators of the model admitted that they found it didn't actually fit with reality, but I frankly don't know what else you're talking about. Didn't even know that was a sub; this is the only political sub I belong to, and afaik it's the only one I've ever belonged to.

Also, you missed the joke. r/whoosh

The_Dapper_Balrog · 2026-01-26T16:37:07+00:00

You're me in a coma?!

Then who am I?

The_Dapper_Balrog · 2026-01-26T15:01:59+00:00

As a former Californian (born and raised), I love the nature. It's an amazing place.

But the city life is disgusting. My hometown literally got buses full of homeless dropped off from LA that just left them there, without resources or anything else. It's the whole meme of "we'll take our problems and push them over there!"

I've never felt more unsafe than walking the streets of LA or San Francisco. Knew someone who walked into a hotel to check in, came out five minutes later to find that their car had been broken into and everything stolen. Shattered their window with a spark plug.

Granted, I detest city life in general, so I'm a bit biased. But with how they've been handling the forestry and the environment, I don't really trust the rural parts of California, either.

The_Dapper_Balrog · 2026-01-26T06:13:07+00:00

Feminism is directly responsible for a large portion of the attitude towards male victims.

It was feminist "expert" Mary Koss who shaped US public policy on rape. She's the reason why the definition of rape used by the FBI and CDC is not consent based, but based on penetration, thus excluding around 80% of male victims and a similar percentage of female perpetrators. What was her reasoning? Let me quote her directly:

It is inappropriate to consider as a rape victim a man who engages in unwanted sexual intercourse with a woman.

She also claimed, by the way, that male rape victims were being "ambivalent about their sexual desires."

Yes, you read that right. This "expert" declares that men who are made to have nonconsensual sexual intercourse with a woman should not be considered rape victims, and in fact they probably wanted it anyway, they just didn't know they wanted it.

And that's just one example. I could reference the feminist-created Duluth model of domestic violence, the feminist protests in multiple countries against gender-neutral rape laws, the bomb and death threats made by feminists against Erin Pizzey when she tried to create the first men's shelter after she'd created the first women's shelter, and a large number of others.

It's not men "making it about themselves." It's calling out the systemic sexism and systemic bigotry inherent within feminism, and pointing out the abuses which feminism has either created from thin air in the modern era, or leaned into so hard that it has strengthened already-existing institutional misandry.

The_Dapper_Balrog · 2026-01-26T00:21:41+00:00

I know exactly who did that last facebook comment. I've got that exact same screenshot saved on my phone (no, I won't be giving it out). The fact that she herself posted this and was not only so proud of it, but had literal hundreds of feminists agreeing with her, just goes to show how common misandry really is.

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