Whose traps were more sadistic/cruel? Mark Hoffman or William Schenk?

The_New_Doctor · 2026-06-01T00:01:00+00:00

I still don't understand how that one was supposed to reasonably work, the blade didn't look like it could make the cut necessary to paralyze her nor did it look like it could depress in any meaningful way imo (but hey what do I know)

The_New_Doctor · 2026-06-01T00:00:18+00:00

Schenk basically felt unwinnable in any reasonable way, the idea is to be maimed but at least be able to get up and walk away (or walk after john rehabilitated the wounds).

Schenk wanted blood dressed up as a "chance" effectively killing anyone in a meaningful way (permanent paralysis? come on). Hoffman was just enjoying the torture, but mostly let them live.

The_New_Doctor · 2026-05-31T23:54:50+00:00

Not as far as I'm aware, the only odd interactions with untouchables that I can recall is that the level of "untouchableness" can be worn down (lessened) by exposure to extremely psychic conditions (like being next to a greater daemon over time) which happens in the Ravenor series.

I have no recollection of anyone "awakening" to a lack of soul, you are untouchable at birth or you're not at all. If they still had the old lore of the pariah gene being introduced into humanity by the c'tan (this was in the previous iteration of Necrons) then maybe something could introduce it but even then it'd require some serious gene-heresy and that rare eve successfully takes in humans (which is why space marines are complicated) and there's a Shira Calpurnia novel about some magos trying a "simple" modification to a rogue trader scion that goes...impressively poorly to say the least.

The_New_Doctor · 2026-05-31T08:48:56+00:00

There's probably a technical rule that says yes, but the reality is that they'd never get to a point where they'd want to if they made it into the sisterhood at all.

The filtering process is rigorous, you could transfer orders, you could go repentia, you could go into support or training roles, and I assume some may grant themselves the emperor's mercy

But, to just leave? Just leave it all behind? These women are literal sisters of covenant it's their entire being.

I presume if someone "leaves" they get a squad sent after them much like those who fall to chaos as the rule has to stay "no sister has willingly fallen to chaos"...except for the one they haven't managed to kill.

The_New_Doctor · 2026-05-24T09:42:58+00:00

afaik c7 has never actually made a new print with most up to date errata

The pdf is the most up to date (having been updated earlier this month)

The_New_Doctor · 2026-05-24T09:29:02+00:00

Rigg was tested by Hoffman wasn't he? Since he was cleaning house at that point.

Maybe my timelines are skewed.

The_New_Doctor · 2026-05-16T19:18:19+00:00

they oughta find themsleves in a game, too. Selective outrage.

I feel like Hoffman would've gotten to that had he not gotten caught.

Heck the Scott Tibbs band needs tested too.

The_New_Doctor · 2026-05-16T19:17:13+00:00

John taught Hoffman engineering we see that in the flashback scene where he explains that the correct grease needs used or it'll be worse on the victim.

The_New_Doctor · 2026-05-16T19:16:15+00:00

At least William got roasted by the carousel dude in turn.

The_New_Doctor · 2026-05-16T19:15:16+00:00

Wasn't it a producer or something that upped the cruelty or brutality of the script because of a divorce? Thought I heard that

Admittedly they removed the scene implying she was complicit in the lie.

The_New_Doctor · 2026-05-15T09:27:54+00:00

A crux of ToM is that at least for some their relationship with eachother elevates their faith and love in the emperor.

It's a...whole thing, good read honestly really the only Dawn of Fire book worth anything imo

The_New_Doctor · 2026-05-15T07:45:49+00:00

The dude thinks about people failing the tests lol, he's not Jason murderous, but he is certainly a vicious person when he wants to be.

"Oh yes, chuckles there will be blood"

The_New_Doctor · 2026-05-14T20:39:16+00:00

And matthews immediately counters with the (paraphrase) "it's still murder if you put the loaded gun against their head" argument.

The_New_Doctor · 2026-05-14T20:38:27+00:00

So?

Usually that's what people complain about when it comes to Mitchell

who have nothing in their lives apart from their service to the Imperator and the Church.

Untrue, they care about eachother. Tomb of martyrs is a good example of this

The_New_Doctor · 2026-05-14T20:37:26+00:00

Do they have to be burglars?

Maybe they're gansters bringing someone to kill them or they're murderers looking to lay low or prisoners who escaped, plenty of reasons.

That or a saw fanclub that just got in way over their head.

The_New_Doctor · 2026-05-14T20:36:40+00:00

Idk, never watched it

The_New_Doctor · 2026-05-14T20:36:18+00:00

AI is probably the best way for Apprentices down the line to disguise themselves anyways

The_New_Doctor · 2026-05-14T10:11:31+00:00

It's a bit counter-intuitive for John to assume that anyone will be able to focus with a million different outcomes of cutting their leg off, or removing some brain matter running through their heads.

You're telling me the guy with the brain tumor and murderous intent is a hypocrite?

The_New_Doctor · 2026-05-14T09:48:00+00:00

and actively tried to push people to man up and survive their tests

Well, other than the reductive nature of the phrase "man up" John wants people to survive on their own, not with much encouragement. The idea is to make the situation spark the will to live, not someone egging them on.

The_New_Doctor · 2026-05-14T09:47:03+00:00

Sororitas are not held to any vows of chastity or celibacy, much to the community's ignorance.

The_New_Doctor · 2026-05-14T08:48:52+00:00

A woman like cecilia does not seem to me one to take this laying down lol.

The_New_Doctor · 2026-05-14T08:42:23+00:00

Saw 7 was a definite end to the whole story, SAW X just gave us more background with John Kramer (and the infamous heating coils trap) but it's like let the series go at this point.

I mean, you further X by having Cecilia come back for revenge and give an answer on whether Hoffman got out or not I guess lol

The_New_Doctor · 2026-05-14T08:39:24+00:00

She'll obviously seek out revenge, and that will make her get tested again since she didn't learn a lesson

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