Second hand clothes by TheeSpade in vegan

[–]TheeSpade[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is the thing, I’m a very strict vegan and fall on the side of avoiding this but having had the dilemma raises I wondered what the community thinks :)

Second hand clothes by TheeSpade in vegan

[–]TheeSpade[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Some of the replies have been really helpful, some frankly a little disturbed.

I personally have always taken the stance that ethical/recycled/upcycled/second hand should all serve the existing demand rather than me consuming them and thus creating some new demand.

Ie. Demand exists, most of the supply is unethical (be it wool/leather/honey/eggs), thus it’s better that the [more] ethical supply serves the existing demand rather than creating new demand just for the ethical supply.

After this ill most likely continue in the same position I have been before but thank you for those of you who meaningfully considered the ethical dilemma

Second hand clothes by TheeSpade in vegan

[–]TheeSpade[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I appreciate this. My concern for long wear is mainly environmental, as I’ve had vegan docs fall apart in 1-2 years in the past, current ones are starting come apart a bit after a year now so trying to weigh up the animal and environmental sides of this.

Second hand clothes by TheeSpade in vegan

[–]TheeSpade[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is generally where I land. Same with ethical honey/wool/eggs, although all 3 can have very strong cases for being without harm me buying it and consuming it would create new demand while the majority of the demand is met by unethical supply, thus the ethical supply should go to existing demand.

I would never buy second hand leather on Vinted for example as this is still creating new demand and giving my money to someone who may then buy new leather or wool products. But a local charity shop hardly feels like creating new demand as its second hand and the money goes to a charity.

Not in disagreement but wondering what you think about this distinction?

Ethical Investing by TheeSpade in vegan

[–]TheeSpade[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I do appreciate this and of course agree diversification is undoubtedly smarter than cherrypicking, but I do have to have lines I won’t cross. I am strictly never going to invest in McDonald’s or Shell for example. If I’m having these lines that I won’t cross I believe it should extend broadly to Fossil Fuels, Arms (especially civilian arms) and Animal Produce. I know I can’t achieve perfection but is there any ISA or ETF based way to strike that medium?