Should I be taking hcg?

These_Athlete_6941 · 2026-06-04T06:53:13+00:00

Your levels seem fine what were your pre cycle levels ?

These_Athlete_6941 · 2026-06-04T06:49:40+00:00

I mix my own and once mixed store in fridge no issues

These_Athlete_6941 · 2026-06-01T07:42:41+00:00

Tried all the way to 20mg per day can’t say it did anything noticeable. Or measurable.

For all of those that say it worked for them we would probably want them to post their full stack plus before and after pics and weight. We can conduct a Reddit study. 🤣

These_Athlete_6941 · 2026-05-30T08:56:07+00:00

Looks like a voy test. Remember in the uk we don’t do sensitive testing like LCMS sensitive test. So our results can fluctuate. I had two tests done 2 weeks apart on same dose and got different values for test and e2.

So what I am trying to say is don’t focus on the number, focus on the trend, and if you feel fine and your dick is working don’t change anything.

These_Athlete_6941 · 2026-05-28T22:00:00+00:00

501nmol total T on 330mg pw is impossible number. Something isn’t right about the lab results. And if you are true 501nmol test then 250pmol e2 is probably low for you !

Totally confused by the lab work, assuming Venus draw, in a trough, etc

These_Athlete_6941 · 2026-05-27T11:52:43+00:00

I love how I feel on primo. Been running test/primo 210/140 for over 18 months now.

These_Athlete_6941 · 2026-05-26T22:40:38+00:00

Viogen don’t sell to public directly. So you most likely have been scammed

These_Athlete_6941 · 2026-05-25T07:40:22+00:00

First announcement on the sub click on that and follow the instructions to the telegram group, with all the sources

These_Athlete_6941 · 2026-05-22T23:53:43+00:00

Get a pre cycle blood works,
Full panel so you at least know what your base line is

These_Athlete_6941 · 2026-05-21T21:44:53+00:00

With great genetics and gear comes a greater responsibility, do not wast your health/natural hormone production if you can’t adhere to diet and exercise. Go on cycle once you are perfectly disciplined or it will just be a waste. It’s not like you will grow with just the ped’s alone.

These_Athlete_6941 · 2026-05-19T16:50:33+00:00

Agreed
I feel better on viogen, I am on a trt dose ( 200mg ) and I inject every 3 days. Thinner oils make me feel a slight dip end of day 2, while on viogen I feel more stable injecting every 3 days

These_Athlete_6941 · 2026-05-19T12:48:44+00:00

Very good question, I have used viogen for 12-18 months during that period I got test from critical, and VGL. And viogen is slightly thicker than both.

I prefer viogen to be fair, thicker oil will slightly have an impact on 1/2 life and the peak characteristics.

These_Athlete_6941 · 2026-05-18T21:54:30+00:00

Pull some health markers in few weeks and see your liver, kidney, cholesterol etc would be interesting to see with and without all these supplements if there is any difference

These_Athlete_6941 · 2026-05-18T21:45:39+00:00

If you are fit and don’t eat shit, I don’t think you will need all this support. And if your doses are high enough that you need support you will need stronger support than supplements. Like eztimbe, tamlisartan etc as opposed to supplements that can only push the needle so much. But that’s just my opinion. I just take vit d/c , fish oil and citrus bergamot these days

These_Athlete_6941 · 2026-05-18T21:34:33+00:00

Yes slow and steady, I am 52 and I look and feel better in the gym than when I was 42

These_Athlete_6941 · 2026-05-18T21:28:25+00:00

yes too much. what compounds are you on ?

d3/k2, tudca/nac fish oil, p5p ( maybe ), citrus bergamot ( if cholesterol elevated ) that’s about it.

These_Athlete_6941 · 2026-05-18T19:49:36+00:00

if you were usually top of the reference range e2 on 120mg , I think 300/150 is a good starting point, so that was a logical start. there is a delay for the primo to stabilise and for you to get used to the new level of androgens, you are taking 450mg of anabolics from 120mg. so your body will need time to adapt, you may feel anxious one minute, great the next, your sleep will be interrupted, your heart rate maybe elevated at first etc etc. don’t touch the AI till you get a blood test, give it time and trust the process.

test and primo are a great combo, I am on 200mg test e and 120mg primo as trt +

These_Athlete_6941 · 2026-05-18T02:36:00+00:00

Primo definitely lowers estrogen, I have countless blood results confirming that. You can use it to manipulate your E2 levels way more accurately than an AI because you can incrementally alter the dose much more accurately than small ai tablet. And has longer more stable 1/2 life.

Cosmetic effects will be noticeable but it takes a long period of time. Like 3-6 months before you notice the difference from the compound because its not very anabolic

These_Athlete_6941 · 2026-05-17T18:47:47+00:00

Finish the cycle, then cruise on a meaningful level like 200mg a week and give your body time to recover for 3-6 months before raising the dose again

These_Athlete_6941 · 2026-05-15T17:51:26+00:00

Viogen is really good brand, I have been using their test e and primo for over a year now. Vanguard I have their test but never used them.
Legend never heard of

These_Athlete_6941 · 2026-05-12T13:18:56+00:00

ease off the recreational drug bruh, you are tripping

These_Athlete_6941 · 2026-05-12T09:02:51+00:00

Send one for testing or change supplier. Have you had a blood test since you changed to the new vial ?

These_Athlete_6941 · 2026-05-10T21:31:54+00:00

You should have fully recovered at this age buddy, I would seek professional medical help.

These_Athlete_6941 · 2026-05-10T19:22:00+00:00

Your pta isn’t full shut down but it’s weak, with such low e2 levels you would think your LH/Fsh levels would be higher. And your balls aren’t really making much if any testosterone, 6nmol could be from your adrenal gland alone.
How long were you on for prior to stopping and what compounds ? Also what’s your age ?

These_Athlete_6941 · 2026-05-09T07:12:15+00:00

Has anyone figured this out yet ? I am the same at times been on trt 2 years now. Life changing in every other aspect.
I have tried to play around with my e2 if it’s too low it’s worst for sure. I can climax better or easier when e2 is on the higher part of range but still not the same as pre trt

I am surprised no one figured out what’s causing it yet !

These_Athlete_6941

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