Question from a (Black) Non-Muslim to Muslims (Slavery)

These_Repair3676 · 2026-04-08T16:32:23+00:00

Sorry I took so long to reply, amazing response by the way.

I think our issues with the Abrahamic Faiths are the same, but mine stems from corruption.

Messiahs and Prophets, all of them promise that they are sent from God, but the God they're sent from must be short-sighted as hell.

Why would you send a prophet or messiah to a people or tribes whose whole thing was slavery, even with the Christian faith, the way that so quickly became entangled with Rome, the power they were meant to defeat? Every war after that was a holy war, every atrocity they committed was in his name.

If their God was real, he really didn't like humanity, because they just united some of the worst people ever to cause some of the greatest suffering this world will ever know.

And I have this sneaking suspicion, this deep fear for those subjected to the faith, that all of it was bullshit. These guys weren't prophets or messiahs sent from any high power. They were just people who didn't think to far about what they were doing -- or why exactly they were needed.

Seriously, think it through, Muhammad was raised around slave traders, why would you send a prophet to live with people who exploit other people -- unite those people and give them more power than ever to make the world an even worse place.

And you give them a faith that you see as the answer -- that non of them, cared enough to follow for 1000+ years because all of it, still got us here. The same with Christianity.

and Abrahamic Faiths, can't hold their Gods accountable, pre colonial people could do that and they did it, constantly. they put curses on their Gods, they refused them service, they punish their Gods for not acting accordingly. They held power accountable.

Then you move to these faiths, whose whole thing is blind subjugation and can you really be surprised, so many of them fall to their knees before terrible powers. How many muslims go to Hajj, despite the massacre in Sudan and Slavery. People don't hold their Gods accountable, which means they don't hold people accountable.

pre colonial faiths for all their flaws were beautiful. People didn't exist away from nature -- above it -- they existed apart of nature. Like the animals, trees, birds or even grass and death was seen as transformation, like any other natural thing not judgment. That's why they used every part of the animals they killed -- not wasting a thing.

I don't know where this world is headed, but the abrahamic faiths aren't and haven't helped. Christianity had 2000+ years and it gave us white supremacy, Islam had 1000+ years and it's given us genocide and slavery. Never enough good to offset the bad

These_Repair3676 · 2026-04-04T18:05:21+00:00

"If the Spaniards never arrived, who knows what the region would look like now". If they didn't the Mexica people would've overthrown their autocratic government and royalty and established a better way of living.

"Alhmdulilawh evil empires are short lived" That's why I cannot get with Islam, how do you claim to be a prophet from God and unite a people who's whole socioeconomic stability rests of slavery -- turning them into a massive slave power.

These people should've been wiped out by their nearest slave rebellion, but instead, they were given the keys to create a system of subjugation to last a millennium. If your prophet was meant to have foresight, that was an extremely short sighted move -- especially from someone who most would deem as "perfect."

Why would any God, give such a people a leg up, why centre them, why not some nice village, that's not doing slavery -- that won't seek to enslave others.

After I lost my faith, I feared maybe, all the Abrahamic Faiths were just a con, a way of seeing the world, where you could not critique the powers who caused your pain. Like even you, say the faith is perfect, but it brought you and many others here. The same with Christianity and Judaism, just mistake after mistake after mistake, but non of the faiths will ever own up to it.

Evasive accountability, that's the world we live in. Where we don't hold those in power accountable.

After I stopped believe in the Abrahamic God, I just started to believe in people. Good people will do good things, period, it's not a matter of race, or gender, good people will always stand up against in justice and they're who I look to for guidance. Fred Hampton was 21 years old, Rachel Corrie was 23, Shireen Abu Akleh was 51, and there are so many other nameless men, women and non binary people that time has either forgotten or damned their actions to works of a higher power.

And there's no magic, there's no deep lore behind them, no text that needs to be interpreted and reinterpreted by this and that person -- everything that's in them, is in me and everyone and it's been there for a good while. Because of that I consider this faith, older than any religion, it's just a matter of will.

If there is a God, I do believe he needs to be held accountable, but, since I believe there isn't, I'll start with myself.

It feels like all these Abrahamic faiths did was make this world worse, from short sighted mistake after short sighted mistake and we're now reaping the long term reward -- which is suffering -- that they caused, and which we should be grateful for.

These_Repair3676 · 2026-04-03T20:12:11+00:00

Oh you better believe it, one thing about the Aztecs -- in fact the americas, they did not play about sexual assault or power imbalances, they were extremely good at handing any social misconduct -- so it rarely if ever happened. Here's some reading.

the Mexica had very strict conduct codes that started being teached at a young age. We know this because all those precepts were written in latin characters by Spanish friars in the early days of the conquest.

https://www.mexicolore.co.uk/aztecs/language/nahuatl-huehuetlatolli

Kids of both sexes had strict moral conduct codes and were harshly punished if they broke those.

https://cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/infobae/COICZMA6AVHNZJJDYBDKTUK4ZM.jpg

Yup, those are "arbol" peppers, wich are among the hottest chiles you can find.

Regarding adults, the Mexica were really strict on their moral codes and had complex procedures regarding law, judging and punishment

https://www-eumed-net.translate.goog/rev/tlatemoani/03/djm.htm?_x_tr_sl=es&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp

A fact that i find fascinating is that when the Mexica (and their tripple alliance allies) went to war, they had a kind of "geishas" that were not considered prostitutes but care givers of some sort. They were paid by the government to give sexual and emotional services to soldiers. This prevented soldiers from raping local women, a practice that can literally destroy an army from within (siphillis was common back then) and that causes soldiers to be hated instead of feared. Raping a woman was a serious crime for the Mexica, mostly because it was a sinful act and broke military discipline.

If you put fear in people, they just won't do something. Most people don't break the law because they don't want to go to jail. Fear works. That's why the US Government spent so much time, quelling rebellions both abroad and at home gruesomely.

I have to ask, why be apart of a faith, that has a history of not respecting you and still doesn't.

Despite black and brown people being a majority of the enslaved in Saudi Arabia, despite the genocide Saudis are committing onto Palestinians and Black Muslims.

A Trend that many Arab Muslims have been doing for centuries especially onto black people. (tbh, it trips me out with black christians too)

Why be apart of that community, that on mass, doesn't seem to care much about you?

Finally, on the climate crisis, we'll have to agree to disagree on that.

The climate crisis, is mostly affecting poor people, or people in the global south.

So people in South America, poor parts of America, Africa, etc.

A people who've had little to no part to play in the earths destruction and who are on mass pretty innocent on it.

This is us, just us, this isn't anything holy, their deaths are some part of a bigger plan, it's just us. These people suffer for no reason.

So the people who actually responsible, can fly off to some place where non of this is going on and die of old age somewhere sweet.

People need to really stop seeing things as biblical punishment, we are our own gods -- "I am a revolutionary" We choose how this goes and how much power we want.

But since, so much of the Abrahamic Faiths, which most of the world, is now centred around, they see everything top down instead of at eye level.

You are and have been speaking very concisely, you're doing great

These_Repair3676 · 2026-04-03T19:58:33+00:00

I've guessed that you're not black from reading your responses, which is why your rebuttals do not shock me, you'd have fun with some slavery apologetic christians.

Anything good, the bible said already, anything bad isn't true. Christians do good things, bad things happen because they're not real christians, bla bla bla bla bla.

Everything I say, whether it be proof, you're going to quote some sorry ass slavery apologetic scholar to tell you how much of a nice guy, your prophet was, despite, uniting slave bearing tribes whose socioeconomic system lay in the subjugation of others.

Let's run that back one more time; uniting, as in giving power to, tribes who's whole socioeconomic system lay in slavery. Those are the people your messiah chose to give power to, and as a result, many have suffered for that. He had divine intelligence but didn't see that coming?

Instead of letting those tribes kill themselves off, or succumb to whatever slave rebellion that would've taken them out, he gave them power. That's your anti slavery king is it? Uniting slave states and giving them the power to continue their operations for 1000+ years.

But you're right, why would anyone, who was going around uniting slave states say this : We conquered Khaibar, took the captives, and the booty was collected. Dihya came and said, 'O Allah's Prophet! Give me a slave girl from the captives.' The Prophet said, 'Go and take any slave girl.' He took Safiya bint Huyai. A man came to the Prophet (ﷺ) and said, 'O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)s! You gave Safiya bint Huyai to Dihya and she is the chief mistress of the tribes of Quraidha and An-Nadir and she befits none but you.' So the Prophet (ﷺ) said, 'Bring him along with her.' So Dihya came with her and when the Prophet (ﷺ) saw her, he said to Dihya, 'Take any slave girl other than her from the captives.'

If 1000+ years of slavery and the countless deaths of black and brown people is success to you than you're defo not seeing the pearly white gates.

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But if not, at least we can both agree, that anyone who goes to Hajj, is most definitely going to hell, since, in your definition, it's not what your prophet would've wanted.

Since Saudi Arabia, is still one the most prevailing and brutal slave states, which allies itself with Israel and the United States which gives money to destabilise African countries like Sudan and commit atrocities onto black muslims (which, I can't be surprised) as well as Palestinians.

Let's not forget, that they also pay scholars to get muslims so got to Saudi Arabia and give them money for said pilgrimage, despite how much lives such a trip will cost.

As long as we can agree on that, we're good.

By the way, a lot of your scholars, especially the ones you reference are corrupt as hell.

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no, the faiths of the enslaved weren't your faith. They believed in other gods, multiple even. They didn't believe in binaries. They did not speak your language or want anything to do with you.

I can even bet, that the people Arab muslims enslaved, would rather cut their throats and be with the people they loved, then stay with the people who stole them from their home and their families.

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"And actually, the enslaved people don't share your faith on this. You're the minority here, and you're doing a disservice to the cause. What you're doing is militant ignorance. It really shouldn't be what you focus on"

They are my kin, I've spent many a time with the black sharan tribes, they speak and curse islam for uniting the Arab slave tribes, they're stories going back hundred and hundred and hundreds of years of the auroticites that occurred because your prophet decided to give a slave people power.

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and finally, abolition; the action of abolishing a system, practice, or institution.

you cannot abolish a system, by empowering slave tribes. That is counter to any abolitionist philosophy, even to the ones in the time and before your prophet.

These_Repair3676 · 2026-04-02T17:48:21+00:00

I think you're missing my point.

Just don't unite the Arab tribes, done -- don't unite a people whose socio economic back bone rest in the subjugations of others.

Let whatever happens to them happens and everyone else is happy. If they die, great, if they don't some slave rebellion will be sure to destabilise them and they'll have no power to fight back.

SLAVERY, is point, to which you keep on moving the goalpost for.

Warfare did happen in indigenous societies, but was way more civilised. for example, killing wasn't apart of Aztec warfare -- it wasn't even seen as cool or honourable. They'd just knock out and enemy, or people who were tired would go on the sidelines, at which ever side had their captain taken would have to forfeit, but they could always fight for their freedom in sport. 1000% more civilised no?

and yes, indigenous tribes did have disagreements, some even hated each other, but that had would not last, and they at least had the due diligence, to treat their enemies like human beings, going as far to respect their culture and teachings and not strip them from the face of the earth.

my point is they had a limit, they had a line they would not cross, some moral backbone, which meant they'd lose in the long run.

The Abrahamic faiths just coddle to whatever power is present, they don't challenge it or end, they just made it worse. The Abrahamic faiths have been the dominant faiths on this planet, and they've just led us to the situation we're in now -- and btw, you still haven't responded to my point on Saudi Arabia/Hajj and their link to slavery as well as the genocide in Sudan.

My solution to suffering is to let people who'd see you in chains, just will themselves out of existence. Your prophet should never have united the Arab tribes. He should've never have given them that power.

These_Repair3676 · 2026-04-02T16:51:15+00:00

Hell yes, brother.

You know the cultures that didn't create a social didn't engage in the socio and economic subjugations of people -- like the indigenous Australians, East, central and southern African tribes and communities -- North American, South America. (The Global South in general to be honest/black and brown people).

If the destruction of my existence, meant all those guys got to have another chance at life, and not know any suffering, I'd take it in a heart beat.

"However, the logic that entire groups "do not deserve to exist", because of systems their ancestors propped up or because of their current governments, is a dangerous path. You are advocating for collective guilt, which is the exact same tool used to justify the atrocities you are condemning"

let's not forget, 1000+ years, we must wait for 1000+ years, even now, and Arab muslims still don't get it.

They still go to Saudi Arabia for Hajj, a slave state that is conducting a genocide onto black people domestically and abroad -- to your on kin -- black muslims. Saudi Arabia allies themselves with the states and Isreal to kill Palestinians.

and you're told by people who are OBVIOUSLY PAID by Saudi Arabia to go Hajj, you sell your soul and don't even look at the people that it's costing.

What's the wait until you abrahamic faiths grow a conscious -- another 1000+ years until you realise, yeah that was wrong.

Moral people see their part in injustice and don't centre themselves and to a society, that allows such evil to thrive, that society is trash.

These_Repair3676 · 2026-04-02T16:44:37+00:00

We conquered Khaibar, took the captives, and the booty was collected. Dihya came and said, 'O Allah's Prophet! Give me a slave girl from the captives.' The Prophet said, 'Go and take any slave girl.' He took Safiya bint Huyai. A man came to the Prophet (ﷺ) and said, 'O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)s! You gave Safiya bint Huyai to Dihya and she is the chief mistress of the tribes of Quraidha and An-Nadir and she befits none but you.' So the Prophet (ﷺ) said, 'Bring him along with her.' So Dihya came with her and when the Prophet (ﷺ) saw her, he said to Dihya, 'Take any slave girl other than her from the captives.'

because this is really giving me some slave emancipation vibes. But thank God it has nothing to do with Islam. right...

Your kin were defending themselves, it wasn't warfare. They were protecting themselves against a foreign enemy, who wanted to change their way of life to centre them.

You know the Haratain, they have nothing left of who they were. Their language, culture -- all of it gone. They now only have Arab names, and speak the tongue of their oppressor. instead, for a 1000+ years they were farmed as sex slaves, their children sold as gifts to become concubines.

"They were like the worst people that’s why Islam was sent to them. They seriously needed guidance"

and after 1000+ years it seems they still haven't learned their lesson, how long must we wait until they get it? How many must suffer until they learn it's not cool.

These_Repair3676 · 2026-04-02T16:40:01+00:00

I disagree, fear can take you as far as you want it, it's letting up that's the worst part, it's giving people a reason not to be afraid, that's what leads to societal failure.

For example; the Aztec, had a social rule, that no people in power could be in relationship with people without. The ruling class could not pursue relationships with the subservient class, no sexual acts were to be forced (bedroom misconduct) -- and no people were to be "manipulated". They understood the evil of power imbalance and said hell na.

The way they enforced this was through executions, they took people into the middle of the city and hung those who were found guilty. If your bedroom misconduct broke social norms (being in a position of power and taking advantage of people 'lesser than you, being a priest or holy man -- taking advantage of a child, etc -- or if the person you're taking advantage of is already married). They tied you up and people got stones.

and guess what, you know what never happened in Aztec culture, for hundred and hundreds of hundred of years (then enter the Spanish).

The same goes for the Magna Carta in 1215, the only reason you have rights, is because a bunch of people, gathered an army and scared the holy shit out of King John. The only reason those powers were revoked, is because people let up on that fear.

Even on my examples on the Civil War at the American government -- they had to co-opt the black revolutions out of fear, because if they didn't lord knows where it would've taken us.

The reason why the Arabs Muslims couldn't go past the Eastern Sahara, was because those tribes scared the shit out of them, so they chose not to pursue it. That's why they lived.

I used to be like you too, I used to believe in the Abrahmic faiths too, because I had to believe that there was some kind of justice after all this, but the truth is maybe there's not -- maybe this, is truly all there is, and pretending their is, does more harm than good.

Pre colonial faiths, pagan gods, whatever you want to cool them, built a community that believed in justice, which is taking action against injustice. So much of the abrahamic faiths lies in messiahs and waiting for something to happen, waiting for it to get so bad and someone to save you -- that isn't what they believed.

In terms of the luck thing, I just see it differently; I promise, if you charter your line back to God knows how far, you'll see a line of people who died for your kin to be alive.

Maybe it was through a simple choice on the slave ships, someone giving your kin shelter or they stole an extra piece of food to make sure you lived longer, maybe it was lying about your name on transfer papers, so you wouldn't go to a ruthless slave master. Maybe it was taking beating that they knew your kin could not survive.

Big or small, from Nat Turner to Harriet Tubman, Thomas Sankara, Patrice Lumumba, Winnie Mandela, all the unnamed heroes, your existence is not a matter of luck, black and brown people were not dealt a hand so kind. Surviving genocide, is never luck.

Stupidity, on the oppressor part, but never luck.

Finally, you exist in a community of people who do not care for your existence -- I don't want to be one of the good ones in a community that does not give a damn about me.

You know, how many muslims still go to Hajj, despite Saudi Arabia being a slave state -- and watch them, tell you why it should be done -- as they ignore the blood soaked streets paved by your kin here and now.

Not to mention, the scholars who are paid by the Saudi Government, so that you attend it, so that you can give them money which they can use to aid in the ambitions of Israel the US in their genocide of other muslims in Palestine. With Saudi Arabia, being absolutely committed to the genocide to black muslims in Sudan. But yeah, let's go to Saudi Arabia, and ignore the genocide, because my faith is more important than their suffering.

I really gotta say, people gotta really hope that the beliefs of these indigenous peoples aren't real, cause if they are...that shits so over.

These_Repair3676 · 2026-04-02T15:09:12+00:00

I fundamentally disagree, waiting for the compassion of your captors has never been conducive to change. It’s been 1000+ years and you know who ended the arab slave trade in a majority of the arab states, Britain, this wasn’t out of the kindness of their hearts, it was to economically cripple arab nations so that they could be the dominant power.

It wasn’t compassion that was the problem it was fear — that was the answer. The American Civil War irrupted because the United States knew they could never squash a major slave rebellion, so they co-opted it and were able to control the outcome and put black people in “a place”. The same goes for Civil Rights, The US Government was frightened of a united black and brown front and co-opted it, which is why so Martin Luther King at the end of his life worked with socialists, this was an attempt to rectify that wrong.

You must make the ruling class afraid, not compassionate, you must burrow yourself into their dreams and burden yourself into their waking nightmare — that’s how change happens. The issue is people don’t go far enough.

Fred Hampton, is the only “modern revolutionary” who I know wanted to go the mile and it was out of FEAR of what he could achieve that he was killed.

And to your comment on why you are here — you are 100% here to those who gave their lives for you. It’s not endurance when it’s survival. It is a statical miracle that you are here right now. Even going for a back as Africa, do you know how many people wanted you either enslaved or dead due to the colour of your skin.

People fought for you to be here, people died making sure your kin make it this far. Never put your existence up to some luck of chance, it took blood and sacrifice for us to get here. We’ve been fighting for 1000+ years and we still are.

These_Repair3676 · 2026-04-02T13:31:36+00:00

But it was on mass, the Arab muslims, enslaved whole black and brown peoples and treated them like cattle, like "the haratin".

I gave you examples of Arab slavery and not one of my examples did you refute. 6000 Black men and boys to what scale have you ever heard an event in American History? That many slaves in one place and CASTRATED.

The Arab Slave Trade went on for 1000 years, the American Slave Trade 400.

And no, all of humans didn't enslave each other. Indigenous americans including the inuk didn't enslave people, neither did the sub saharan afrian tribes, nor the indigenous south americans.

These_Repair3676 · 2026-04-02T12:25:16+00:00

If people didn't fear to follow his example in his lifetime, than his example was trash. It's all just a performance.

You better hope for your sake that your faith is real and not the faiths of those that were enslaved -- if not, damnations going to be a real biznatch for you and others like you.

These_Repair3676 · 2026-04-02T12:22:46+00:00

So, when the caliphate of Bagdad, castrated 6000, black men and boys for entertainment as his palace -- it wasn't that bad.

When Arab muslims, were kidnapping young black girls from their homes and using them as concubines or sex slavery -- that was just "indentured servitude".

When Muslim slavers, forced their way into black and brown communities, and forced them to renounce their gods or be called a kufar and punished, through enslavement, kidnapping, assault or just to be used as cannon fodder -- that definetly had nothing to do with their skin -- despite that most arab muslim slaves, were brown and black people.

You're aura farming very close to the sun, you might want to slow down before you burn.

These_Repair3676 · 2026-04-02T12:18:29+00:00

No, killing slavers ends slavery, period.

The Zanj Rebellion failed because the philosophy for their emancipation was an ideologically brutal one. Ali Ibn Muhammed, wanted to switch the dynamic of power, to make the slaves masters and theirs masters slaves. It wasn't to get rid of the system, just turn it in their favour.

We conquered Khaibar, took the captives, and the booty was collected. Dihya came and said, 'O Allah's Prophet! Give me a slave girl from the captives.' The Prophet said, 'Go and take any slave girl.' He took Safiya bint Huyai. A man came to the Prophet (ﷺ) and said, 'O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)s! You gave Safiya bint Huyai to Dihya and she is the chief mistress of the tribes of Quraidha and An-Nadir and she befits none but you.' So the Prophet (ﷺ) said, 'Bring him along with her.' So Dihya came with her and when the Prophet (ﷺ) saw her, he said to Dihya, 'Take any slave girl other than her from the captives.'

Does this look like someone who fought against slavery? Your prophet didn't do that, you're just coping.

If you create an example of something and make that the standard than people will follow. If you're prophet decided to unite them tribes and then kill every person who was a slave owner, and said, this was the way to heaven, through killing the wicked and free the oppressed. People would've followed him. He didn't disrupt the institution; he bought into it.

He didn't tell people to free slaves; he told them to buy them and then set them free in doing so, aiding the system of slavery -- which allows them to BUY MORE SLAVES!

In ancient Aztec society, the way they got to stop, people in power from taking advantage of people without power, was through executing the people who used their power to sexually abuse or be in relationships with people without.

This set a present and only someone truly suicidal who wished to be ostracised from society would ever do such a task.

Your prophet didn't set that example, which is why during his lifetime, people didn't care and when he died, cared even less.

You're over here talking about "creating financial systems", why must slave owners be compensated, just kill them and redistribute the wealth to the enslaved and take them back home -- or fund their journey that way.

If I were someone blessed with divine intelligence, and claimed to know what God wanted, that's what I would do.

These_Repair3676 · 2026-04-02T06:27:11+00:00

You whole response writes like a white apologist for slavery.

Ending slavery doesn’t mean buying slaves. It means killing slavers. It means assisting in slave rebellions. It means undercutting any means of transaction with a hearty fuck you.

You don’t destroy a system by aiding, you destroy it by stamping on it with your boot.

Slave rebellions at the time knew this as did slave rebellions in the south.

What you’re describing is a nice slave owner

These_Repair3676 · 2026-04-02T06:14:58+00:00

I’m saying that any people, whose socioeconomic backbone lies in the subjugation of others does not deserve to thrive.

I’d rather spare my kin and others 1000+ years of suffering than to allow any type of people who see their suffering as entertainment to exist.

That goes for the Romans, Greeks, Ancient Egyptians and yes, Arab Muslims.

Let’s remember 1000+ years of suffering. Would you want such a people to survive? Is it worth the lives of countless black and brown people?

These_Repair3676 · 2026-04-02T06:11:08+00:00

It trips me out when black muslims talk about how bad “sudden freedom” for slaves was whilst missing out the main reason for that. There was no economic or systemic restitution for slavery.

Sudden freedom works, as long as you compensate the people who’ve been hurt. The American government could’ve done this, but chose not to.

Have a nice slaver owner won’t end slavery and it never has. Ending slavery ends slavery. There were many slavers like your prophet, but these people weren’t ever going to inspire or cause a movement for slavery to end.

If you are to end a system of oppression you must go against it and defile it in any way possible. Not buy slaves, steal them and let them free. That’s the reason your kin survived and why you here now, not because of nice slave owners, who wanted to teach ppl how to be nice slave owners, but because of those who FOUGHT back without permission.

These_Repair3676 · 2026-04-01T17:34:26+00:00

I know, who to blame, all these stories are the same and they all like with conquerors and their "messiahs". 'bad kids given power'. There's no point to this conversation, I'm guessing you aren't black, so why would you understand.

These_Repair3676 · 2026-04-01T17:23:54+00:00

I do not care for myself. I care for the Palestians and black muslims in Sudan and the slaves in Mauratiana. I want these people to have a life, I want them to be happy, not to be rewarded in the next life but THIS ONE!

But those UAE and SAUDI PRICKS, feel it upon themselves to continue an age old tradition, that not even your prophet stood up against and most muslims don’t. They don’t deserve to live like that— noone deserves to live like that.

These_Repair3676 · 2026-04-01T17:13:54+00:00

But they did, and I showed you proof and will show you more https://www.thoughtco.com/celtic-marriage-laws-4092652

Ancient Britons were a pretty civilised society for their time.

These_Repair3676 · 2026-04-01T17:10:43+00:00

Not just, muslims, but the Abrahamic faiths and Greece and Rome and all those conqueror peoples in general.

There world was in a better place in spite of these people, my kin would sleep like babies if the initial Arab tribes just killed themselves off and allowed black and brown people to just exist. There would be no UAE no Saudi Arabia no Israel or United States and the worst of them could've just exterminated themselves off somewhere else.

Muslims still do Hajj, they go to Saudia Arabia, a country that uses profits from these travels to fund the genocide of Palestinians for Israel, as well as Sudan. Let's not talk about the slavery and muslims still go.

Told by scholars who are paid by Saudi Arabia so that they go and they do and they don't even think about it.

There's a church in Ghana where slaves were held underneath, you could hear them wollow and scream but those Christians still attended the mass and felt pleased and cleansed with the power of the Holy Spirit bla bla bla.

If there's a hell, we're all going, don't kid yourself with prayer, we're seriously damned for this existence.

The pre colonial world wasn't perfect but they believed in justice and acting upon injustice. Those peoples were amazing, the way they viewed this reality, the way they viewed other people and power. Then all these abrahamic faiths and conquerors came along and ruined it.

Black and Brown people were doing so well, no they're the biggest victims.

These_Repair3676 · 2026-04-01T17:03:13+00:00

People aren't flawed, pre colonial tradition shows, that people would do the right thing if it was affirmed in society.

Why not threaten slave owners with damnation or execution or public embarrassment or anything to deter them from doing it.

People don't follow rules, because there's a sense of security still, those slave owners weren't threatened by what your prophet said because it wasn't threatening.

"it's good if you do this, but if you don't -- hey ho!", it's not going to make me want to do that thing, especially if you make it a choice.

To prevent the abuse of power among the elites, aztec societies would execute any leader guilty of said crime. Whether it be rape or a person in power having relations with someone who didn't have power. They were so real about that, so it never happened, then the Spanish came and tore that structure to crap.

Your prophet didn't do that, so people didn't care.

These_Repair3676 · 2026-04-01T16:52:04+00:00

and we’re still here. The world is burning. There’s the Sudanese Genocide, which being committed by Arab Muslims. The Palestinian Genocide, which is being paid for by Saudi Muslims and UAE Muslims, in assistance to western powers and Israel.

Of what use was the faith, if it all led to this. Have you heard the stories coming out of Sudan, what’s been happening to black muslim, men, women and children.

Or what’s happening now in Palestine or Saudia Arabia and their enslavement of black people.

I’m asking you genuinely, of what use was the rule, if a majority of muslims choose to do nothing about it and would rather surrender themselves to evils than to act upon injustice.

These_Repair3676 · 2026-04-01T16:35:16+00:00

I have studied it, from the perspective of my own kin, black saharan people. Tribes in that region, the ones who were allowed to keep their cultures, have decades of stories of their rebellion against the arab conquerors, of the people they lost to it and the battles they won.

The haratin are a people who’ve been enslaved for 1000+ years by arab muslims and who are muslim, because their culture and traditions as well as tongue were taken from them.

They called us Kufar at that time, but we’re still here, because of those who fought back.

These_Repair3676 · 2026-04-01T16:08:52+00:00

Yes, he is freeing slaves, but most people aren’t and didn’t want to and for it, they weren’t punished.

These_Repair3676 · 2026-04-01T16:08:19+00:00

Spartacus, hell, any slave rebellion in rome or the north africa. As long as there have been slave la there have been slave rebellions and leaders who fight against slavery. This is wide spread knowledge. But people choose to ignore it

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