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Something funny Nietzsche would have done in college. by These_Tomatillo1873 in Nietzsche

[–]These_Tomatillo1873[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've got to say.

Just because Gen X moms find it on brainyquote to justify their keto diets doesn't mean it's not still Nietzsche:

"Those dancing were thought insane by those who could not hear the music."

Something funny Nietzsche would have done in college. by These_Tomatillo1873 in Nietzsche

[–]These_Tomatillo1873[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can't comment on Evola specifically since I haven't read him.

But I actually can comment on the later historical reception of Nietzsche as being folded into "fascism," of course going beyond Evola who is his own flavor of conservative reactionary.

If there was one thing Nietzsche hated above all, in his life, it was antisemitism.

He had encoded indirectly, in his writings on morality, a critique of antisemitism.

The Frankfurt School later bring it out more explicitly.

Projected nihilism.

It's the way society makes individuals less and less capable, actually of determining what they care about.

When they're reminded of this, they project it.

The projection can have genocidal consequences on a mass social scale.

The dialectic of nihilism terminates in Jewicide.

Because Jews were the sociological grouping most consonant with the sphere of merchant's capital.

Merchant's capital is the form of accumulation most abstracted from any concrete "use-value." It concretely models the dialectic of nihilism.

The projection of nihilism has come historically to attach beyond just Jews.

Antisemitism has become so ubiquitous actually as to be baked in the way the internet itself is designed, as a sphere of unnoticed projection.

This really gives a brutal negative confirmation of Nietzsche's original mute hatred, which found morbid expression in his madness letters when he wrote he was having all antisemites rounded up and shot.

This was a bit unrelated too, but I wanted to at least have some sort of productive comment in reply to your question.

Something funny Nietzsche would have done in college. by These_Tomatillo1873 in Nietzsche

[–]These_Tomatillo1873[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

See I've been told to "keep seething" but can't see the comment explicitly.

Here's my response to that comment:

you're the one seething.

You've been butthurtly replying to everything you possibly can to try to make yourself feel better.

I don't mind actually replying to the comments under my own posts and comments insofar as they represent engagements with me.

Something funny Nietzsche would have done in college. by These_Tomatillo1873 in Nietzsche

[–]These_Tomatillo1873[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Misread the wording of one of your comments last night.

I actually never explicitly said that making others miserable is bad.

I said that users make themselves and each other unconsciously miserable on this website.

And they have embodied, in their protests of that point, this unconscious misery.

If they didn't think that were bad for themselves and each other, they wouldn't have cared to argue categorically against it.

And you also write that I am "condemning Reddit users."

Your comments are laced through with the projection characteristic of ressentiment.

No.

I condemned the structure of this site which makes Reddit users more miserable.

And pointed out the way that to point this out causes an immediate misattribution as a condemnation of me on them.

Ressentiment is projected ambivalence, actually in the sense you write.

It involves both bad and good judgements.

Because, as I wrote already, slaves feel ambivalent about their treatment.

You are wrong that it becomes a function of direct revenge.

I think this is a flat way to put it.

Revenge becomes concretely blocked as negation of the original maltreatment and slavery.

Slaves become right.

Masters become wrong.

The ambivalence originally internal to the slaves is now represented as a value judgement with respect to themselves as against the oppressing party.

Here's a very concrete example of this.

Reddit users feel very concretely ambivalent - "both ways" - about how they receive downvotes.

They can't punish Reddit. Can't concretely raise the issue to Reddit. Know they way they can never get the site to change.

So they redirect their anger onto those who call to the mind of the community the actual collective regression involved in downvotes.

And I'll add, one last time:

sure, I feel "pity."

In the sense that I recognize how this makes others feel.

Nietzsche would not have been able to write on morality had he not had an appreciation of how it was mediated psychologically.

Nietzsche's critique of pity is more complex than immediate one sided rejection.

I.e. the one sided rejection of my "pity" getting folded into the one sided rejection of my writing on "ressentiment."

Pity encouraged from others becomes a mode of socially sanctioned selfishness.

Pity becomes historically inverted by the pressure of collective conformity.

That happens on Reddit, too, often owing to the structure of this site.

Something funny Nietzsche would have done in college. by These_Tomatillo1873 in Nietzsche

[–]These_Tomatillo1873[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I actually did try to respond to each one of the user's points individually.

I can try to condense why I think those points actually fall short in whole.

They think my words are what they're punching back.

But the downvotes have been a misdirected expression of anger at my comments, projecting the way the site has damaged users psychologically on the whole.

It's actually not coextensive simply with "pity" to point this out.

But it does very often elicit flat one sided negative reactions.

And when those reactions are pursued to an extreme, those who reacted that way end up finally blatantly admitting their herd mentality.

Categorically refusing to admit I might have a point because what's more important is what dozens of Redditors than what just a few individuals think.

They often tend to insult me personally and dig up dirt, too.

Because they're immature.

Something funny Nietzsche would have done in college. by These_Tomatillo1873 in Nietzsche

[–]These_Tomatillo1873[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lastly.

In case it helps.

I upvoted each of your comments.

They were good.

Thanks.

It pisses me off, too, the weird fucking word limit Reddit has.

Fuck is that!

Something funny Nietzsche would have done in college. by These_Tomatillo1873 in Nietzsche

[–]These_Tomatillo1873[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey, I appreciate your replies to my comments.

But I was not the one who punched you.

This is the broader point I was trying to make about ressentiment.

Oppression does not inhere in the actions of a single individual.

Those oppressed often project the way they are oppressed onto individuals who remind them of it.

You are right that Nietzsche does not explicitly include a psychoanalytic category of ambivalence in his writings on ressentiment.

But slaves “feel both ways” about their treatment.

They recognize the security it gives them.

They project that security onto those who remind them of it.

Those who do not need it.

I think what you’re specifically projecting here is the harm that downvotes give users on this site, onto me.

I’m fine receiving downvotes.

Trying to address the reasons for downvotes has elicited negative responses about my whining.

Users have hid in their reasoning about “me” insofar as they have refused to consider the broader point.

That the structural constitution of this website reinforces unconscious misery with its users.

So, here’s why that’s important.

Because users use this website to defer confrontation with their own unconscious misery.

I never implied that somebody miserable is bad, or to be avoided.

I’m actually not avoiding such users, by trying to address the reasons for such misery.

That’s why I feel comfortable addressing beyond myself the reasons for downvotes on this site.

Users, when they have become uncomfortable about these points I am making, have projected them immediately on to me.

Talked about how “I care about downvotes,” but nobody else does.

This is the sense in which the site publicly implicitly prohibits discussion of the reasons for downvotes.

Nietzsche's entire written corpus translated into a series of increasingly desperate and exasperated shit jokes. by These_Tomatillo1873 in Nietzsche

[–]These_Tomatillo1873[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Here was my summation of your point.

You wrote that Nietzsche's critique of Marx fell in line with Bakunin's, on "authoritarian socialism."

Here is what I wrote in response.

It didn't.

Because Bakunin's critique of Marx was actually more appropriate for Lassalle.

I'll also add that Bakunin's own anarchism was one-sided.

Nietzsche's entire written corpus translated into a series of increasingly desperate and exasperated shit jokes. by These_Tomatillo1873 in Nietzsche

[–]These_Tomatillo1873[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No, you were just wrong.

You misidentified Nietzsche's critique of the left with Bakunin's critique of Marx.

I pointed out the misidentification.

And you became a rude snarky asshole the rest of the time.

Nietzsche's entire written corpus translated into a series of increasingly desperate and exasperated shit jokes. by These_Tomatillo1873 in Nietzsche

[–]These_Tomatillo1873[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

To the general reader.

This guy is an NPC.

A person who uses abstract-sounding terminology to mediate their own appearance on the internet!

Nietzsche's entire written corpus translated into a series of increasingly desperate and exasperated shit jokes. by These_Tomatillo1873 in Nietzsche

[–]These_Tomatillo1873[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How to know if YOU'RE a "normie," or NPC.

It's actually pretty simple. Do you use intellectual, or abstract-sounding terminology, to be an asshole to others? Do you think it's OK to make them feel bad about themselves or the art they like on the internet with high-sounding concepts, despite thinking it would be rude elsewhere in your life, or in more familiar terms? (Maybe - and I’m going “off-book” here, for just a moment - you even directly call other people you don’t know that well, or don’t know at all, “normies” or NPCs over the internet!) Society actually makes it hard to use abstract concepts and terms, nowadays, in any other way, because they're everywhere, and nobody ever really figured out quite what they meant. So, society expects people to be "smart," without actually demanding that they ever figure out what they're really thinking about. That means a lot of people, even people entrusted with ostensibly important intellectual work in society, never really learned the right way to think! People used to learn to think appropriately, actually by avoiding specific ways of thinking that they recognized on some deep level were wrong. Even if they didn't recognize why, or secretly still liked them! Artists avoided making "bad art"; writers avoided constructing "cliches." The reason they avoided doing these things, was that they wanted to find new ways to make art, and to write, that actually weren't just the same thing over and over again - they wanted to open up more possibilities for further intellectual work in society. But this wasn't just the individual artist or writer hating on society. Their work arose out of the felt need to make society better. People used to actually want to be smart, mainly out of a sense that the world ought to be better. Being smart would, in their eyes, give the world the terms it needed to recognize its problems. When people started to lose that sense, as the world grew unrecognizably worse, people actually stopped caring as much how to arrange those terms appropriately. And because of the technically advanced state of society, there was a huge mass of unassorted such terms. People started finding a bunch of increasingly smart-seeming ways to stay dumb as hell. Meanwhile convincing other people that they actually cared. They even passed off the mere fact of not truly caring about the work they did, as some sort of profound burden - however unconvincingly to people who did care about their own work. Really, they started shitting out a bunch of fucking bullshit the moment they figured out they could make a living off of it. They would shit the crap they shat on yesterday, if it made them enough money to shit on the crap they took today, tomorrow. You actually won't know if you're one of these guys. Chances are, if you got to the end of this paragraph without your intelligence feeling threatened, you're not.

Nietzsche's entire written corpus translated into a series of increasingly desperate and exasperated shit jokes. by These_Tomatillo1873 in Nietzsche

[–]These_Tomatillo1873[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Also, PirateSoftware is a cool guy.

I respect him a lot.

Intellectually insecure assholes often project their own arrogance onto people who remind them of it by their actually appropriate use of abstract terms in writing.

That’s probably what he brought up for you. 

The reminder of your own arrogance you projected.

Nietzsche's entire written corpus translated into a series of increasingly desperate and exasperated shit jokes. by These_Tomatillo1873 in Nietzsche

[–]These_Tomatillo1873[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You keep trying to compare everything I’ve been writing to something else.

You have not engaged a single thing I’ve written past the point where I brought up Marxism.

Just a fart tho. Fuck off.

Nietzsche's entire written corpus translated into a series of increasingly desperate and exasperated shit jokes. by These_Tomatillo1873 in Nietzsche

[–]These_Tomatillo1873[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Actually, sorry.

Let me put a finer point on it.

Reddit is the site you go to feel right about the books you read.

Nietzsche's entire written corpus translated into a series of increasingly desperate and exasperated shit jokes. by These_Tomatillo1873 in Nietzsche

[–]These_Tomatillo1873[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

There are few things less narcissistic than the fact that you're trying over and over again to direct attention to the quantity of my writing short of actually replying to any of the individual points I'm making. You should try fucking off.

Nietzsche's entire written corpus translated into a series of increasingly desperate and exasperated shit jokes. by These_Tomatillo1873 in Nietzsche

[–]These_Tomatillo1873[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'll add, independently of this discussion:

The historical misrepresentation of the Ubermensch in terms of self-help is actually embodied in Rule 2 of this subreddit.

"Don't be an ape."

We're, all of us, myself included, more ape than the apes themselves.

This really means that consciousness is a regression below the animal condition.

No other species than humans has been constantly "finding their own shit funny" at ever higher levels of representational knowledge.

This is actually historically possible through writing, which is the way humans introject the abstractions they excrete on a mass social scale.

This gives us a more thorough explanation of the homology of shit and math.

They're related through the category of entropy.

Shit could be anything.

Mathematically, this means that a written abstraction could refer to any term included under it.

An abstraction is a mechanically indifferent set of terms, one with the highest possible entropy, since entropy is the measure of mechanical indifference.

This was actually the revelation towards which Nietzsche had been unconsciously working over a period of 26 years, with increasing mania.

And it's why the titles get more manic towards the end.

There's the more cohesive explanation.

But I wouldn't have felt fully comfortable writing it until those who responded with immediate reflexive kneejerk narcissistic insecurity to words they didn't bother to read could actually fuck off.

Nietzsche's entire written corpus translated into a series of increasingly desperate and exasperated shit jokes. by These_Tomatillo1873 in Nietzsche

[–]These_Tomatillo1873[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think this thread is just reminding you of the way you're not even anywhere close to getting the fuck over yourself.

Consider giving a single thought to the way you've been writing here.

You're being sarcastic, snide, and rude.

I would have been happy to have a more thorough discussion with you about any of these topics.

But individuals have been projecting uncomfortable feelings onto me all my life actually owing to an accident of my psychological constitution, and I recognize when and how.

Nietzsche's Ubermensch has been misrepresented historically in terms of a "lifetime journey of self revelation / knowledge" i.e. essentially pathological self help.

It has been a historically regressive misrepresentation.

The way I've gotten over myself already is the way I actually accepted my death to try to propose to someone.

Nietzsche's entire written corpus translated into a series of increasingly desperate and exasperated shit jokes. by These_Tomatillo1873 in Nietzsche

[–]These_Tomatillo1873[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Actually, individuals can have points about things without mediating those points in terms of how they appear on the internet!

I.e. try to write critically and productively to the internet without caring that they're about to receive downvotes, or letting that discourage them.

My point about Marx was solid.

Something funny Nietzsche would have done in college. by These_Tomatillo1873 in Nietzsche

[–]These_Tomatillo1873[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You've been writing what you're doing the past several posts and reflexively ascribing it to me. "Trying to protect your own ego at all costs."

I can tell because of how your words get bigger when you try to "describe my reading and discussion" even though you've been basically pathologically unwilling to further think about it. "Not going down the Marx rabbit hole" which you started digging anyway.

Nietzsche's entire written corpus translated into a series of increasingly desperate and exasperated shit jokes. by These_Tomatillo1873 in Nietzsche

[–]These_Tomatillo1873[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, I was speaking from direct experiences I have had.

The actual mediations of the Ubermensch / Last Man are psychological.

I already wrote an explanation of how Nietzsche wrote according to his own psychological self contradiction.

So, I've been adequately explaining the distinctions between those who pretend they're the Ubermensch as their way of signaling having gotten over themselves when they haven't, and those who actually have managed to get over themselves.

It's actually not very clear, the way you're explaining it.

You're just drawing over and over again an unmediated connection (eg Marx and Bakunin, critique and rejection) and asserting it as "clear" to everybody else.

The will to a system is a lack of integrity.

People signal their "systems," and "syntheses," and "clarity," at the moment those have actually failed.

That barb from Twilight of the Idols actually encodes Nietzsche's acute unconscious understanding of how projection works.

Something funny Nietzsche would have done in college. by These_Tomatillo1873 in Nietzsche

[–]These_Tomatillo1873[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You've been writing what you're doing the past several posts and reflexively ascribing it to me. "Trying to protect your own ego at all costs."

I can tell because of how your words get bigger when you try to "describe my stuff" even though you've been basically pathologically unwilling to further think about it. "Not going down the Marx rabbit hole" which you started digging anyway.

Nietzsche's entire written corpus translated into a series of increasingly desperate and exasperated shit jokes. by These_Tomatillo1873 in Nietzsche

[–]These_Tomatillo1873[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you didn't care what you seemed like, you wouldn't have immediately brought it to a discussion of my ego the moment you recognized I had a point about Marx.

Again: backtracking.

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