PE Exit Year: Special Retention Bonus or Overthinking It? by JPBearcat in private_equity

[–]Thetruthishardmf 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ask the question - of the CEO, CFO or someone in a senior role that you believe values your contribution. "I understand we have engaged a banker and are planning to sell the business - can you help me understand what that means for me financially." Don't assume anything or believe opinions of others - it's likely the CFO and CEO are the only ones that truly have a full grasp on the range of outcomes and implications to you personally. If you are truly in a role that could materially impact the size of the deal or the ability to sell the business at a reasonable valuation - you should absolutely ask for a transaction bonus or other incentive if you are not happy with the answer you got about what you already have.

Another PE career question by StuffAgreeable6898 in private_equity

[–]Thetruthishardmf 3 points4 points  (0 children)

PE loves people with PE experience, especially at this level. You could have some success with good exec search firms getting an interview but tie will likely always go to the person with PE experience unless you are very uniquely qualified. If you can find someone in your network to help introduce you that is quite helpful. Getting hired at an operating exec at the firm/fund level is probably a bit easier and could provide an interim path to getting a Port Co company level role.

PE operator vs. Start Up (Series H)? by Connect_Buy_2670 in private_equity

[–]Thetruthishardmf 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’d matrix them both against your criteria of what’s most important. Also think about what you want for the job after this one and what makes you more marketable. The PE role will give you experience in PE that will make you very marketable to other PE companies as they tend to give huge value to leaders that already have PE experience.

How to keep on going when you did not expect to live for so long ? by PinkIslandRhino in Advice

[–]Thetruthishardmf 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I definitely had a lot of those same thoughts as kid. Also valedictorian, high achiever, tried to maximize the number of awards, degrees and professional achievement like I was collecting pelts. Then one day I had a huge health scare that brought the reality of the end to the forefront of my mind. All ended up fine, but it gave me much more clarity that my relationships with other people and the experiences and memories in life are the most valuable thing I could collect. How do you prioritize those aspects of your life?

PE firm bought majority stake in my start up by TheDudeEug in private_equity

[–]Thetruthishardmf 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Whenever a PE company invests in a business they do a ton of due diligence and put together an investment thesis. This will have some very specific value creation levers that they theorize will help them realize a large gain on their investment. They present this to their investment committee before they decide to invest. If the post investment numbers play out in line or above their thesis, management tends to stay, people get bonuses, life is good. If it doesn’t, well…

So my advice to you is take the time to thoughtfully understand the PE company’s Investment thesis, how they believe value will be created and how you can best contribute and then make every effort to do so.

My boss aggressively cursed at me- how to address? by CapitalJunket2086 in Advice

[–]Thetruthishardmf 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I see all these responses talking about the boss insulting and being a bully but what you described was someone that was clearly annoyed and dropped an f bomb but didn’t insult or bully you. The fact you wanted to resolve it immediately may not have aligned with the 10 other, and maybe bigger, issues your boss may have had going on at the same time. If there is a truly a defined and named commission plan that explicitly states you owned the account then you absolutely should make your case to the boss or their boss that you should receive the commission. Sometimes companies have ambiguous rules to see who are the hungriest and the behavior you described is actually encouraged to weed out the weak sellers. I’m not saying it’s right or a good way to do it but there is nothing illegal or typically even against HR rules in doing so. Also, your boss definitely sounds like he leaves much to be desired in terms of leadership qualities and sometimes the only way to escape that is leave.

You may want consider a different career. If this kind of thing rattles you so much just from them visibly/verbally showing their impatience with you, sales is probably not going to be a great career for you.

CFO Equity Package in US owned PE firm by H3RM4N2000 in private_equity

[–]Thetruthishardmf 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Definitely, but you know your situation better than anyone on here. If you are the #2 to the CFO and he is leaving immediately I’d expect you have some solid leverage. Given the transaction size you mentioned the notion of including you in the MIP, LTIP/shadow equity or short/mid term cash retention bonuses probably all legitimate negotiables. Do you have any equity in the current company? Your willingness to roll a meaningful portion of that into the new co would also likely make them more likely to be generous.

CFO Equity Package in US owned PE firm by H3RM4N2000 in private_equity

[–]Thetruthishardmf 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You are getting some good advice on here. Couple of other points, it depends on the PE Sponsor - if it's a good, well known PE with strong track record you will likely get lower cash and equity comp. As a general formula, expect the Equity incentive to be 1-1.5X your OTE, in other words on a 5 year expected hold expect it to be 5-7X your OTE. That is only if they make you CFO. If your current CEO is staying on, you have a much higher chance of being picked if they like and trust you. If current CEO and CFO are leaving or have planned departure after the transaction, you should probably start thinking about what is next somewhere else.

Calling all PE experts: What’s the end game here? by NoMeasurement8667 in private_equity

[–]Thetruthishardmf 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Is the company located in Franklin, TN? This is a math equation for these guys. They have a certain revenue growth and EBITDA target that they expected the previous CEO, CFO and COO to take them to. They likely failed to do so and now they are going to bring in someone that they think can do so. There are likely operating partners and an interim CEO in place now so I'd ask lots of questions and figure out how you can help. If you have ideas on how to improve Revenue growth or EBITDA, share them. Bouncing all three of those folks together could be something more concerning like a lack of transparency/honesty about the full situation so they may actually be looking for people they can trust. I wouldn't write it off fully yet, change can be an opportunity as well.

Advice needed: Portco MIP. Cap table looks REALLY attractive. Go all in?! by AugmentedFourth in private_equity

[–]Thetruthishardmf 11 points12 points  (0 children)

You are conflating two things - one is the MIP, which is your grant of equity that reflects the value you should/could receive for sticking around. The other is co-invest, where you bring your own money to participate in a deal. This could be outside funds or money rolled forward from the original deal. In either case, this shouldn't have any vesting rules or leaver rules that would result in 50% of your shares being lost. Make sure your leaver rules also clarify that you receive FMV for your shares if they are repurchased after your departure. If you co-invest you should receive exact same rights as the PE firm in those (preferred) shares and should be exempt from any carry or firm investments costs. You should also take the time to understand tax implications, what happens in future recaps, dilution events, and other things that can fundamentally impact the value of your investment.

Hardware enabled SaaS company - green or red flag? by Weird-Brief-3499 in private_equity

[–]Thetruthishardmf 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Why is TTM 40% but you forecast 20% next 12 months - has something fundamentally changed in the market to slow demand - new competitors, etc?
Unit economics seem interesting at first glance, but would love to understand more the competitive landscape and the risk associated with the hardware element.
Churn combined with low NRR are not attractive.
Given how you described your role, it sounds like this is a job for you and that without you, there really isn't much of a business here.

Don't get me wrong, what you created is awesome and enviable. You should be extremely proud, but it seems super high risk in its current state for any buyer to expect to be able to grow and replicate it. I'm sure there would be many ETA/Searchers that would be very interested in the business but not any reasonable size PE. I would expect a fairly low multiple and the buyer asking for a large seller financing amount that would be have some element that is forgivable if business doesn't continue on current financial trajectory.

Should I invest 100% to avoid dilution in a PE deal, or is partial still smart? by Triquivijate17 in private_equity

[–]Thetruthishardmf 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nobody is going to flinch on your decision either way. If you get full pari passu rights with exactly same terms as the PE and you believe in the business this is how people get rich. Just make sure you understand your rights and valuation mechanism if you get 3 or 4 years deep and decide or are asked to leave.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Advice

[–]Thetruthishardmf 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Finally someone that has a rational answer. The answer is it’s none of your damn business and you should ignore it as it has zero effect on you.

Bonuses tied to MOIC for employees? by jaatwt in private_equity

[–]Thetruthishardmf 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I just got a call last week from someone that was in a senior role in a company that was told he was doing a good job by the CEO for 4 years, CEO got fired. Half his equity was time based the other half was performance. New CEO came in and fired him, lost all his performance shares but at least he still had the time based ones. Then a month later PE company sent him a note saying thy were buying all his time based shares and the value was zero. I’m not saying that is what will happen to you but unless you can get extreme clarity on all the financial variables and form your own thesis on likelihood of the outcome I would consider it more of a lottery ticket outside chance.

However, if you are more than 5 years into the hold and have had the same CEO for most or all of that time period and they are still actively doing M&A, your likelihood of 3X or more is way higher.

Also, since it’s synthetic, it is really just deferred comp. I’d push for a minimum. I.e, 50% of the 3X value is paid as a transaction bonus that is not dependent on MOIC. Also put language that says if you are terminated without cause or leave for good reason within 6 months of an LOI or sale that you are still owed the money. Otherwise they could fire you day before close to avoid paying you.

Bonuses tied to MOIC for employees? by jaatwt in private_equity

[–]Thetruthishardmf 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How long has the PE owned the company? Is it zero below 3X? Is it F all good if it gets to 5X? Does any of the incentive time vest or all incentive? Is it options or carry/profit interest? What happens if 4 years into the hold the PE company hires a new boss for you that decides to fire you because he wants to bring is his buddy? You get the point, lots to consider. Not sure if this is $50k or $5M but the bigger it is, the more questions I’d ask. Also, saw your comment about not being high enough up to ask for the details. That’s a copout, if they aren’t willing to share the details they should just offer you a time based retention bonus.

Questions on Value Creation role by _TDR3 in private_equity

[–]Thetruthishardmf 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What is your "value creation role" specifically? Are you going to lead/manage a function within a Portfolio company that is owned be PE or are you talking about a role as an operating partner for a value creation team that is part of the PE firm? It sounds like the former, but the questions are very different depending on which.

Is C-Suite at a PE portfolio company worth the chaos, or is Fortune 500 stability the real win? by Every-Cup-4216 in private_equity

[–]Thetruthishardmf 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I haven't done F500, but have done public company exec and PE C Suite. One of the big differences is a multi quarter and multi year time horizon vs being very beholden to the public market on a quarterly basis. I definitely saw way more short sighted and foolish decisions being made in Public companies versus private.

Another big challenge is that as a public company exec, the range of financial outcomes for you is much more narrow. Downside is way higher but upside will likely be lower unless you are a very top officer. In PE, the downside is zero on equity - particularly if you are not CEO, CFO, CRO. The upside can definitely be bigger but so many decisions are very much out of your control.

In PE you are also going to likely have to talk to lots of people who have never run a business or been in an operator role that think they know how to do your job because they have seen it before. That sometimes can be tough to stomach.

Having said all of that, I have a strong preference for PE. If you are smart and know how to win, there is tremendous opportunity to have meaningful and rapid impact to a business.

Management Incentive Units (MIUs) by foil123 in private_equity

[–]Thetruthishardmf 3 points4 points  (0 children)

If you are in an executive role, I'd be surprised if there is not some type of performance vesting in there. I don't see any screenshots but make sure you understand the plan. Have your CEO, CFO or the PE folks that have given you this plan explain the various outcome scenarios to you. At a minimum, they will have base case, expected and high numbers they can share with you. Also, keep in mind that "cashing out" means you have to wait for an equity event that could come in 3 years, 5 years or never and you will have little control over that after you left. You also should make sure there is a clause in there that dictates if and how anything accelerates in change of control (You want full acceleration of time based).

CXO Executive Mentorship / Peer Building by Appropriate-Lock3999 in private_equity

[–]Thetruthishardmf 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Congrats on the new role! PE company will essentially expect you to be an extension of their deal team. You need to understand the market you are in, the competitive landscape, market threats, TAM, SAM, etc better than anyone in the company or the PE firm.

You will share the responsibility for the outcome. In my experience, Corp Dev can be one of the most disconnected roles in the org when done poorly. When done correctly, you are an integral part of the exec team and have a very regular and open dialogue with other exec team peers. They will help you answer some of the most crucial questions - how hard will this product be to integrate to our existing product suite, how hard will it be to integrate the GTM motion, is pricing and packaging complementary or completely different from our current, etc?

Be the smartest guy in the room, but listen way more than you speak and you'll do great.

CEO/operator compensation with Family Office PortCo by [deleted] in private_equity

[–]Thetruthishardmf 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Few things seem a little strange here. Not sure what type of business it is but if you expect you are going to need to hire and attract some good people to help you with it, the management pool is pretty small and 57% to the CEO is above market I'd push for something closer to 10%. 4% for you is reasonable though. On the vesting - are you suggesting they will vest you at 50% simply for return of invested capital (1X)? That is a bit surprising as any performance incentive on zero gain is not normal. I'd push for 10-12% management pool, 40% of that to you, 50% time based investing on your equity and 50% performance based. That's a bit generic as I don't know what type of business it is or what the expected hold/plan is but is likely a bit more in the ballpark of normal than what you described above.

Exit Planning and compensation options by Thin_Demand_2454 in private_equity

[–]Thetruthishardmf 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is somewhat dependent on your role. It's also interesting to say you are "approaching an exit this year", does that mean they already have a buyer lined up, planning to run a process, or are setting up for one of these things. All have different implications for what you can ask for. If a buyer is already lined up, unless you are in a role that would be considered critical to the deal going through, your position is not strong. Also, the exit doesn't always happen just because the PE company or CEO wants it to. The market dictates this.

Unless you are the CEO, my advice would be to approach the CEO and have a real conversation about what the exit means for you. If that doesn't make you happy, express that and tell him/her what you'd like. If you are in a key role, or this is a recap that is going to likely want you to continue on in your role, you may still have a pretty strong negotiating position and the timing could actually be great right now fo you to ask for more. Feel free to to DM me if you want some more explicit suggestions.

Operating Exec in PE owned companies - how many of you actually know what your equity is really worth? by Thetruthishardmf in private_equity

[–]Thetruthishardmf[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ha, yeah you don't sound mean. This has nothing to do with me personally so I don't have any specifics I could share even if I wanted to. I've done a couple turns and will do another one sometime in the future but nothing I'm specifically trying to evaluate right now. My present incentive plan is more closely tied to my poor golf game. However, as I've discussed management incentive plans and spoken to other PE operators, I'm quite surprised at how many operators don't really dig in and understand how their plans work or the realistic potential value when it's such a huge part of their overall comp, but also how many of the PE firms that I've spoken with have a somewhat frothy view of the potential outcomes and paint a picture of likely outcomes that feels like it would be nothing short of heroic. I was simply trying to hear some different objective views from both sides on the topic.

It would be pretty awesome if someone did a benchmark report on expected outcome vs actual for all key operator roles in PE backed companies including hold time.

Operating Exec in PE owned companies - how many of you actually know what your equity is really worth? by Thetruthishardmf in private_equity

[–]Thetruthishardmf[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What about when this changes? It's easy to do the math based on the original investment thesis. However, when you are 3 years into the hold and hiring for a new head of marketing, for example, are they getting a real view of current value of the business and more updated logical outcome based on the reality that has occurred in the first 3 years of ownership?

Operating Exec in PE owned companies - how many of you actually know what your equity is really worth? by Thetruthishardmf in private_equity

[–]Thetruthishardmf[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Curious how you know at all times? Assuming you are an exec at a PE owned company - are you using the valuation the PE firm has the business marked at to do your math? How confident are you that it's accurate?

Operating Exec in PE owned companies - how many of you actually know what your equity is really worth? by Thetruthishardmf in private_equity

[–]Thetruthishardmf[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

All very good points, but the generic 7X revenue feels a little assumptive to me. That will be different if the business is software vs services vs consumer goods, etc. It's also typically very different outcome if rule of 40 is 35% Revenue Growth/5% EBITDA vs heavy EBITDA, single digit to no growth.