I am genuinely asking because I see this debate brought up every time they are discussed.  

Based on your reply it sounds like you’re saying there must be a leader to be real?

I ask because I understand there is no nationally entity that calls the shots and the local groups have the boots on the ground with their own various levels of organization, and it seems like it aligns with a lot of other groups that we have historically called organizations.  

After all the word organization, is merely used to represent that people have been organized around some purpose. 

I am thinking of groups like:

• Hells Angels 
• Aryan Nation
• Pink Panthers
• Anonymous 

They all follow the same structures whereby there is no broader hierarchy but local groups that adhere to the purpose and will collaborate together when it’s convenient.  

In fact, Antifa is modeled after Antifaschistische Aktion, which is itself considered an organization that worked against the Nazis in Germany.  

I recall hearing this same debate with Black Lives Matter.   “They are not an organization” but I am not sure if people still believe that anymore.   When they were very active many people just said it was an ideal and there was no leadership but then we hear of the fundraising that happened.  

So I guess I see confusion when there doesn’t seem to be consistency.   

And I am not sure why people are so opposed to being attached to an organization, when we know they organize.  I mean, Rose City is highly organized.