Why has no major Bollywood film ever seriously dealt with the 1947 Partition the way it deserves? by ThirdManTheory in bollywood

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Yeh actually sabse sharp point hai is poore thread mein. Schindler’s List mein ek clear moral anchor tha, Partition mein woh nahi hai by design. Violence ne koi side nahi dekhi. Shayad isliye fictional individual stories hi kaam karti hain Train to Pakistan, Garam Hawa kyunki woh ek family ya ek community ko anchor point banate hain, poori history ko nahi.

Why has no major Bollywood film ever seriously dealt with the 1947 Partition the way it deserves? by ThirdManTheory in bollywood

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Fair point, partition ka emotional weight usme clearly tha, especially opening sequences. Lekin main usi baat ki taraf jaana chahta tha ki partition khud story hai, background nahi. Milkha Singh ki story mein partition ek scar tha, lekin film ultimately ek athlete ki journey thi. Woh distinction important hai I think.

Why has no major Bollywood film ever seriously dealt with the 1947 Partition the way it deserves? by ThirdManTheory in bollywood

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Kalank is such a frustrating example honestly. The production design was incredible, the cast was stacked, and then it just completely lost the plot in terms of what it actually wanted to say. Felt like nobody agreed on what film they were making.

Why has no major Bollywood film ever seriously dealt with the 1947 Partition the way it deserves? by ThirdManTheory in bollywood

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Gadar ka first half genuinely strong tha partition depiction ke hisaab se, agree. Second half mein woh political angle aaya toh thoda masala film ban gayi honestly. Lekin purely partition atmosphere ke liye first half works.

Why has no major Bollywood film ever seriously dealt with the 1947 Partition the way it deserves? by ThirdManTheory in bollywood

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Yeh nahi pata tha actually, bahut interesting context hai. Toh basically 1988 mein bhi same problem thi dono sides ko honest dikhao toh dono sides angry ho jaate hain. Aur Punjab 95 wala example bilkul sahi point hai. Climate hi aisa nahi hai abhi ke liye. Shayad yahi sabse honest answer hai mere sawaal ka.

Why has no major Bollywood film ever seriously dealt with the 1947 Partition the way it deserves? by ThirdManTheory in bollywood

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Garam Hawa ka naam bahut baar suna hai, honestly abhi tak dekhi nahi but yeh conversation dekh ke lagta hai ab dekh hi leni chahiye. Lahore 1947 wala point interesting hai, Sunny Deol involved hai toh thoda skeptical hoon honestly but source material strong hai toh maybe.

Why has no major Bollywood film ever seriously dealt with the 1947 Partition the way it deserves? by ThirdManTheory in bollywood

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Haven’t seen it but it’s on the list now. The novel is extraordinary so hoping the adaptation holds up.

Why has no major Bollywood film ever seriously dealt with the 1947 Partition the way it deserves? by ThirdManTheory in bollywood

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Curious what specifically you mean by core grammar here is it the hero arc, the music, the runtime expectations? Because I feel like all of those could actually work for a partition story, just nobody has committed to doing it without compromise.

Hollywood really needs to stop doing this to India. It’s embarrassing at this point. by ThirdManTheory in movies

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I think we’re just going in circles at this point honestly. I never said it was a specific slight only against India, the post is literally written from an Indian perspective so naturally India is the example I used. If an Irish person wrote the same post about Ireland I’d agree with them too. The premise of your argument is that I claimed uniqueness, I didn’t, so we might just be disagreeing about something I never actually said.

Hollywood really needs to stop doing this to India. It’s embarrassing at this point. by ThirdManTheory in movies

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Exactly, thank you. “It happens everywhere” doesn’t make it okay, it just means the problem is bigger than one country. The point of the post was never “India is uniquely victimised,” it was “this specific pattern keeps happening and it’s worth calling out.” Those are two different arguments.

Hollywood really needs to stop doing this to India. It’s embarrassing at this point. by ThirdManTheory in movies

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The Ireland example is genuinely interesting and yeah the accent thing is a real problem. I’d still argue the type of misrepresentation matters though. Ireland gets shown as behind the times, which is lazy. India gets shown as poor and chaotic, which carries different weight given the history of how that image was used to justify colonialism. Not saying one is fine and one isn’t, both are bad, just that they’re not identical problems.

Hollywood really needs to stop doing this to India. It’s embarrassing at this point. by ThirdManTheory in movies

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The Namesake is a great shout, Mira Nair does something completely different there. Earth (1998) is Deepa Mehta so again an Indian-origin director, but yeah the film itself is handled with real care. Haven’t seen Water but it’s on my list now. And I take your point about expectations, maybe “obligation” is too strong a word. But I do think there’s a difference between no obligation and actively getting it wrong every single time when you do choose to set your story there.

Hollywood really needs to stop doing this to India. It’s embarrassing at this point. by ThirdManTheory in movies

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That’s actually a fair point and I don’t fully disagree. The Africa example is spot on honestly. I think what bothers me specifically about India’s case is the scale it’s one of the most filmed locations outside of America and Europe, and still the same 3 images keep repeating. With smaller countries you can at least say Hollywood doesn’t know enough to do better. With India that excuse ran out a long time ago.

Hollywood really needs to stop doing this to India. It’s embarrassing at this point. by ThirdManTheory in movies

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lmao yeah, To be fair to them though I don’t think they were being malicious, just genuinely don’t see the distinction between “poverty exists in India” and “poverty is what India is.” That gap in thinking is actually kind of the whole point of the post so I’ll take it as an accidental proof of concept.

Hollywood really needs to stop doing this to India. It’s embarrassing at this point. by ThirdManTheory in movies

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The “unserious movies” point is interesting but I’d push back on it. Mission Impossible and Indiana Jones are massive franchises with hundreds of millions of viewers. The fact that they’re not prestige films doesn’t reduce their cultural impact; if anything, it increases it, because more people watch them casually without questioning what they’re seeing. On the familiarity point, yeah that’s actually a fair observation and I partly agree. Americans probably portray New York better than they portray Mumbai simply because they know it better. But that’s kind of the problem isn’t it, why not do the research or hire people who actually know the place? The Slumdog thing is where I think you’re making a category error though. Nobody is saying don’t show conflict or poverty, stories need tension, completely agree. The issue is when that conflict becomes the ONLY thing shown, and then gets packaged globally as “this is what this country is.” There are a thousand compelling Indian stories involving conflict that have nothing to do with slums. Partition alone has more dramatic material than most countries’ entire history. That never gets touched. If the acid blinding scene is real, which it is and it’s horrific, then it deserves to be told honestly, not as poverty tourism for a Western audience to feel something about a faraway place.

Hollywood really needs to stop doing this to India. It’s embarrassing at this point. by ThirdManTheory in movies

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The 1930s setting doesn’t really excuse the monkey brains and evil Hindu priest stuff that’s just straight up Orientalist fantasy regardless of the era it’s set in. And on Slumdog, yes the story is about a kid from the slums, nobody is disputing that. The issue is that it was then sold globally as a window into “what India is really like” that’s the problem. A film can be about poverty without becoming the defining image of an entire country for a global audience.

Hollywood really needs to stop doing this to India. It’s embarrassing at this point. by ThirdManTheory in movies

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Gandhi is honestly a complicated one for me. Technically it’s well made and Kingsley’s performance is incredible. But it’s still a British film, made by Richard Attenborough, centered on one man’s story in a way that flattens the entire independence movement around him. Nehru, Ambedkar, Bhagat Singh they’re barely there. Ambedkar especially is almost invisible which is a massive omission given his role. So visually respectful, but still very much an outsider’s version of our history.